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18:20:15 <Judy> agenda?
18:20:32 <Judy> agenda+ agenda overview
18:24:46 <Judy> agenda+ update on instructions and coordination to wrap up
18:24:46 <Judy> agenda+ sample materials, last call 
18:24:46 <Judy> agenda+ evaluation process; training for 
18:31:15 <Zakim> WAI_(GALLERY)1:30PM has now started
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18:32:05 <Zakim> +??P1
18:32:19 <Zakim> +Judy
18:32:30 <Jan> zakim, ??P1 is really Jan
18:32:30 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
18:33:05 <Jan> zakim, who's here?
18:33:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.202.418.aaaa, Jan, Judy
18:33:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see jeanne, Jan, RRSAgent, Zakim, Judy
18:33:21 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
18:33:56 <Zakim> + +1.617.324.aabb
18:34:09 <jeanne> zakim, aabb is really jeanne
18:34:09 <Zakim> +jeanne; got it
18:34:54 <jeanne> regrets+ Peter, Andi, John
18:35:36 <Judy> agenda?
18:36:35 <jeanne> zakim, take up item 1
18:36:35 <Zakim> agendum 1. "agenda overview" taken up [from Judy]
18:37:59 <jeanne> zakim, aaaa is really Jamal
18:37:59 <Zakim> +Jamal; got it
18:38:16 <jeanne> zakim, who is here?
18:38:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jamal, Jan, Judy, Cynthia_Shelly, jeanne
18:38:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see jeanne, Jan, RRSAgent, Zakim, Judy
18:38:37 <jeanne> zakim, close this item
18:38:37 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
18:38:38 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:38:40 <Zakim> 2. update on instructions and coordination to wrap up [from Judy]
18:38:42 <jeanne> zakim, take up next?
18:38:42 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, jeanne.
18:40:16 <jeanne> Judy: I have been going through some of the challenge.gov examples, and have been reformatting the instructions to match some of their examples, and improving the clarity. 
18:40:37 <jeanne> ... I will be sending materials to review to Jamal and Debbie. 
18:40:55 <jeanne> Jamal: What happened to OFTT as host.  
18:41:12 <jeanne> Judy: I will have to look back. I know they offered help with publicity. 
18:41:33 <jeanne> ... look for an updated draft this coming week. Hopefully that will be the last round. 
18:41:45 <Judy> s/OFTT/OSTP/
18:42:49 <jeanne> Judy: There were organizations who said they were trying to get permission for access b efore the holidays.  
18:43:51 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
18:43:58 <jeanne> Cynthia: I asked around and was told that the best way to handle it would be to develop custom applications.  I would need some weekend time. 
18:44:51 <jeanne> Judy: This could be hundreds of samples? 
18:45:01 <jeanne> Cynthia: This would be a subset. 
18:46:17 <jeanne> ... they would be slightly different from the ones that ship, just modified for this purpose.  
18:47:57 <jeanne> Judy: We are looking to have a launch the week after next.  I have been working on it today, just hours of work to pull it together.  
18:48:40 <jeanne> Jan: there was an updated version I sent around on Jan 4th.  
18:49:11 <jeanne> Gregg: We hve the one outstanding outline that you may be interested in.  
18:50:08 <jeanne> Judy: What did Gregg learn from his challenge.gov experience?
18:51:03 <jeanne> Gregg: make sure you already have people lined up who will critique. A video project is a lot of work. 
18:52:34 <jeanne> Judy: The rules for ours is simpler.
18:53:19 <jeanne> Gregg: you will be a success because you have already lined up contributers, so what remains to be seen is whether you will be a roaring success. 
18:54:48 <jeanne> Gregg: We don't know if anyone is doing anything. The best one we have seen so far is one we did ourselves, so we can't post it. 
18:56:38 <Judy> agenda?
18:56:43 <jeanne> Gregg: It is the FCC's challenge.  We are contributing to it
18:59:02 <jeanne> ... we have had some problems with spam contributors. We should put something in that is a big hurdle to spammers but that isn't a hurdle for real developers. 
18:59:43 <jeanne> Judy: Last week we discussed a pre-check that the developers would have to verify that they had been completed  before they submitted. 
19:01:52 <jeanne> Jamal: we have been thinking a 3-month time frame, but given the experience of the cloud challenge, we should think about extending it to 6 months. The outreach takes time before people decide to complete.  
19:02:58 <jeanne> Judy: Does anyone have experience with how long it takes to develop a widget? 
19:03:05 <jeanne> Jan: It should be ok.
19:03:52 <jeanne> 3-4 weeks of working on their own.  15 hours or so. '
19:04:22 <jeanne> Cynthia: If they are adapting something existing. If they are creating a new model, than 40 hours. 
19:04:48 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
19:04:49 <jeanne> Cynthia: Maybe having a 3 month window and a 6-month window? 
19:04:57 <jeanne> Jan: 6 months is too long. 
19:05:11 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
19:06:15 <jeanne> Gregg: One thing we are doing on Raise the Floor is having Challenge and to invite Challenge. People can submit requests for challenges. 
19:06:24 <jeanne> Judy: We have a wish list feature.  
19:07:36 <jeanne> Jan: We should have fine print that says we will evaluate the first 100.  
19:08:14 <jeanne> Judy: this gives incentive to respond quickly, and it also sets an expectation that we expect a lot of submissions.  Maybe the first 50.
19:09:49 <jeanne> Judy: If we get lucky with the number of submissions, we may be able to make it be an annual thing.  
19:10:40 <jeanne> Cynthia: It takes time for the word to get out to the people we want to submit. Perhaps we could tie it with a conference in the future. 
19:12:07 <Judy> agenda?
19:12:20 <jeanne> zakim, close this item
19:12:20 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum had been taken up, jeanne
19:12:32 <jeanne> zakim, close item 2
19:12:32 <Zakim> agendum 2, update on instructions and coordination to wrap up, closed
19:12:33 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:12:34 <Zakim> 3. sample materials, last call [from Judy]
19:12:38 <jeanne> zakim, close item 3
19:12:38 <Zakim> agendum 3, sample materials, last call, closed
19:12:39 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
19:12:40 <Zakim> 4. evaluation process; training for [from Judy]
19:12:44 <jeanne> zakim, take up item 4
19:12:44 <Zakim> agendum 4. "evaluation process; training for" taken up [from Judy]
19:13:31 <jeanne> Last week we discussed information that we would put on the site for people to do pre-checks. We still don't have an evaluation protocol written up.  
19:14:04 <jeanne> Judy: If we were  trying to train people, would Jeanne, Jan and Cynthia help with that?
19:14:22 <jeanne> Cynthia:  I can do a webinar, but I can't write a book.  
19:14:44 <jeanne> ... a training session of not more than 2 hours with a few hours of preparation. 
19:14:59 <jeanne> Jan: I can, similar to Cynthia.  
19:15:03 <jeanne> Jeanne: yes
19:15:44 <jeanne> Judy: We will put out a call to volunteers on WAI-IG and John's list of Unconference attendees. 
19:16:23 <jeanne> Topic: Next Meeting
19:17:05 <jeanne> Jamal, Cynthia, Jeanne are available next Friday.  Peter will be back from trip.  Gregg is not sure for next week. 
19:17:55 <jeanne> The following Friday (11 Feb): Jan, Cynthia, Jeanne, Jamal available. 
19:18:18 <Zakim> -Jamal
19:18:20 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
19:18:21 <Zakim> -jeanne
19:18:23 <Zakim> -Judy
19:18:24 <Zakim> -Jan
19:18:27 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
19:18:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/28-gallery-minutes.html jeanne
19:18:29 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
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19:18:32 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.202.418.aaaa, Judy, Jan, Cynthia_Shelly, +1.617.324.aabb, jeanne, Jamal, Gregg_Vanderheiden
19:18:34 <jeanne> rrsagent, make logs public
19:18:48 <jeanne> zakim, bye
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