IRC log of html-a11y on 2011-01-24

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Zakim, this will be 2119

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(A11Y)3:00PM scheduled to start now

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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 24 January 2011

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scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita

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scribenick: oedipus

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meeting: W3C HTML Canvas Accessibility Subteam

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zakim, who is her?

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I don't understand your question, oedipus.

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zakim, who is here?

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WAI_PFWG(A11Y)3:00PM has not yet started, oedipus

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On IRC I see Downchuck, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, oedipus, jongund, MikeSmith, MichaelC, trackbot, [tm]

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zakim, this is WAI_PFWG(A11Y)(

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sorry, oedipus, I do not see a conference named 'WAI_PFWG(A11Y)(' in progress or scheduled at this time

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zakim, this is WAI_PFWG(A11Y)

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ok, oedipus; that matches WAI_PFWG(A11Y)3:00PM

20:07:39 [richardschwerdtfe]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2011JanMar/0035.html

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TOPIC: Catching Up

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RS: waiting for FrankO and DavidB

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zakim, who is on the phone?

20:09:05 [Zakim]

On the phone I see +1.949.637.aaaa, Rich, Gregory_Rosmaita

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zakim, aaaa is Charles_Pritchard

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+Charles_Pritchard; got it

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RS: in IE9 implementation of FocusRing include any other parameters other than element?

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CP: pretty sure use current existing implementation instead of a new one -- doesn't help magnifiers much, i think

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CP: at least have shadow DOM in IE9 even though magnification stuck at the moment

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CP: received email from dominique and davidB

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CP: interesting post by TV Raman

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CP: interested in work -- more focused on audio interfaces

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latest draft HTML_Canvas_Element.html: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2011JanMar/att-0035/HTML_Canvas_Element.html

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latest draft of HTML_Canvas_2DContext101711.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2011JanMar/att-0035/HTML_Canvas_2DContext101711.html

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latest draft of CanvasEditor.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2011JanMar/att-0035/CanvasEditor.html

20:14:04 [Downchuck]

I pushed a new draft, didn't make it onto one of the lists; editing setCaretSelectionRect to remove "text" references

20:14:11 [oedipus]

excellent!

20:14:37 [Downchuck]

They were intended as author instructions; not implementer guidelines. They were controversial and necessary.

20:15:48 [Downchuck]

Sometimes I join via iPhone, and it's helpful to have the agenda about 10 minutes before the meeting, to get the phone number.

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RS: pinged Frank directly but only got voice mail

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RS: don't know hiow much we can get done without quorum

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TOPIC: ARIA Valid in Canvas Subtree

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RS: didn't see any objections

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CP: me neither

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RS: caret tracking -- contacted zoomtext people and pointed them to CP's page -- asked if can track caret in IE9 (use DirectDraw without caret tracking) -- can they track or not?

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Hi David

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CP: using graphics buffer

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RS: right

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RS: don't know if access graphics buffer or if cache

20:18:14 [davidb]

hi Downchuck

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CP: thought reading from graphics buffer to monitor changes

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RS: David telloing me can't be useful until mid-February

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CP: consensus on drawFocusRing and shasow CANVAS DOM

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CP: caret slection -- 2 windows calls

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CP: on implementations that support shadow DOM really minimal work in coding

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CP: WebKit has serious work to do if not supporting shadow DOM -- believe FF working on it, too

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CP: work now is to get acceptance for validity of method

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RS: tweaks to drawFocusRing?

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RS: or caret tracking?

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CP: change textSelection to just "selection" -- ARIA simimlar -- works without pushing text editing -- items about text for author to figure out and document

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CP: rectangle should be passed over to a11y API and then done

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CP: creating group consensus on selectRectangle -- if can reach agreement on methodName can break through this impasse

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TOPIC: Positioning Information

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RS: virtual mapping or buffer for positioning in markup?

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CP: exploring that -- initially focused on DrawFocus rectangle

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CP: this is the x,y you shold be focused on is insufficient -- need scale -- wide or narrow -- when used in conjunction with drawFocusRing, magnifiers can do a LOT more

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CP: beyond that, exploring scrolling

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CP: magnifier scrolls across screen, but certain UI elements have content -- addressed in input type="text" element -- can seet ScrollLeftValue and show and scroll that text programmatically

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CP: AISquared brought up issues with clipping and scrolling text

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CP: not currently using ScrollLeft, ScrollTop, etc.

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CP: raised displays on magnifier is current focus of brainstorming once magnificati0on centered

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CP: how can scolling parameters be passed into canvas and project good magnification with crisp and clear depth

20:26:06 [Downchuck]

thanks for the minutes; well done

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RS: going to review WebKit code

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RS: focus in caret tracking and WebKit

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CP: current issue: non-interactive elements such as text span aren't assigned as focusable in shadow DOM

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CP: trying to find out where is breakdown -- if can get focus on elements, have reasonable success rate

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CP: take handler and start working with it, but haven 't gotten to first step "this is focusable" -- bit parameter? (easy approach?) -- trying to get feedback on this

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CP: windows should be easy to support; haven 't looked at OSX or linux APIs yet

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RS: dominic sent me a WebKit link

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CP: submitted patch based on feedback -- live process

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RS: CP please send me the changes

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CP: will send something on the baseline

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[ADJOURNED]

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CP: need shadow DOM and focusable shadow DOM in WebKit

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CP: been dialoguing with chromium devs

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CP: went directly to chromium dev list -- cross referenced bugs with our issues -- trying to get support in chromium dev community so can get attention

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CP: re Microsoft, have interoperability subgroup -- might be interest there, as well

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CP: work on trying to make MS products work with non-MS tech like PHP

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CP: purpose is to map a11y APIs that already exist -- that is interoperability -- lateral connections sometimes best

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RS: need to get done by 21 february 2011

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-Charles_Pritchard

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-Gregory_Rosmaita

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-Rich

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WAI_PFWG(A11Y)3:00PM has ended

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Attendees were +1.949.637.aaaa, Rich, Gregory_Rosmaita, Charles_Pritchard

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zakim, please part

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davidb: thanks for popping in.

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chair: Rich

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2011JanMar/0035.html

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rrsagent, make log public

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