21:03:05 RRSAgent has joined #webfonts 21:03:05 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-webfonts-irc 21:03:07 RRSAgent, make logs world 21:03:07 Zakim has joined #webfonts 21:03:09 Zakim, this will be 3668 21:03:09 ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()4:00PM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago 21:03:10 Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference 21:03:12 Date: 19 January 2011 21:04:29 Chris are you calling in? 21:04:49 yes, sorry I have another call back to back with this one 21:05:06 zakim, who is here? 21:05:06 IA_Fonts()4:00PM has not yet started, ChrisL 21:05:07 On IRC I see RRSAgent, SERGEYM, tal, Vlad, John, ChrisL, trackbot 21:05:50 zakim seems to knot know the call started 21:06:07 sylvaing has joined #webfonts 21:07:11 rrsagent, here 21:07:11 See http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-webfonts-irc#T21-07-11 21:07:14 Vlad: can we recover previous minutes; Chris, maybe some 21:07:42 IRC log of last weeks call http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-webfonts-irc 21:08:14 Topic: Last Call responses 21:08:26 Vlad: ref. Jonathan's proposal to resolve issue 8 21:08:56 localisation of credit elements using multiple credit elements 21:09:23 Tal: support 21:09:53 Vlad: caveat that this causes bloat of metadata 21:09:54 http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html 21:10:15 so that is 14. I18N-ISSUE-8: Direction attributes needed 21:10:22 I18N-ISSUE-8 = WebFonts 14 21:11:11 No objections; response to I18n assigned to Jonathan 21:11:25 ACTION jonathan to respons on issue-14 21:11:25 Created ACTION-57 - Respons on issue-14 [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26]. 21:12:20 ACTION Tal revise test cases to allow multiple credit elements 21:12:20 Created ACTION-58 - Revise test cases to allow multiple credit elements [on Tal Leming - due 2011-01-26]. 21:12:45 9. I18n-ISSUE-2: Why not using xml:lang? 21:13:21 Chris: propose XML:lang but backwards compatible option to allow lang 21:13:43 new content to use XML:lang 21:13:57 Tal: will require test updates 21:14:40 Vlad: should avoid allowing both 21:14:47 Chris: agree 21:15:10 ACTION Chris Respond to I18n-ISSUE-2 21:15:10 Created ACTION-59 - Respond to I18n-ISSUE-2 [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-01-26]. 21:15:41 Wait for I18n response to proposals before Tal revises tests 21:15:49 Regrets: Dave Crossland, Christopher Slye, Jonathan Kew 21:16:43 Present: Vlad, John, Cristopher, Chris, Tal, Sergey, Sylvain 21:16:48 Chair: Vlad 21:17:05 11. I18n-ISSUE-5: Use of attributes for human readable text [WOFF] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0104.html 21:17:57 Tal: will change to credit elements help resolve this? 21:19:38 Vlad: I18n also concerned that markup cannot be used with attributes 21:22:07 John: can we version metadata? 21:22:33 Chris: possible, but concerns about opening the door to version 2 metadata 21:24:08 Chris: but other concerns about I18n pushback 21:25:18 Vlad: existing metadata acceptable in XML terms; how serious is e.g. markup in credits 21:26:17 Chris: possible use case for markup in credit: ruby notation 21:28:14 John: might I18n be satisfied with version 1 backwards compatible fixes + review for possible version 2 21:28:41 Chris: maybe, but they might come back with 'Why not get it right first time?' 21:29:35 Vlad: two concerns: localisation (already addressed, issue 8); inability to use markup. 21:30:01 Markup need not anticipated, except edge case 21:30:58 ...respond partial resolution (issue 8) but need to maintain backwards compatibility, ref. charter 21:31:10 [issue 8] 21:31:35 hmm, 8 + paren is emoticon 21:32:49 General response to I18n: we seek to resolve their issues within the framework of maintaining backwards compatibility 21:32:53 12. I18N-ISSUE-6: Localization mechanism too restricted 21:33:16 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0105.html 21:33:18 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0108.html 21:33:56 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0105.html 21:35:57 Possible use of ...lang mechanism for vendor, credit and licensee elements 21:36:22 Vlad: what would happen to e.g. name attribute in vendor element with use of ..lang 21:36:58 Chris: ask Liam 21:37:20 ACTION Vlad Contact Liam re. XML questions 21:37:20 Created ACTION-60 - Contact Liam re. XML questions [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2011-01-26]. 21:38:04 I18N-ISSUE-7: Paragraphs and inline content [WOFF] 21:38:06 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0106.html 21:38:55 Vlad: allow markup in text elements 21:39:19 Chris: even if no, the spec needs to be revised 21:39:29 Chris: add div and span 21:40:08 ACTION Chris To provide samples and respond to I18n 21:40:09 Created ACTION-61 - Provide samples and respond to I18n [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-01-26]. 21:40:29 ACTION Jonathan To modify spec text re. div and span in text elements 21:40:29 Created ACTION-62 - Modify spec text re. div and span in text elements [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26]. 21:40:42 Questions from SZilles (adobe) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2011JanMar/0001.html 21:41:40 Chris: agree comment 1, suggest splitting introduction into two sections 21:42:11 ACTION Chris Respond to Stephen Zilles re. introduction/normative 21:42:11 Created ACTION-63 - Respond to Stephen Zilles re. introduction/normative [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-01-26]. 21:43:00 ACTION Jonathan Remove normative statements from introduction to new section 'General Requirements' 21:43:00 Created ACTION-64 - Remove normative statements from introduction to new section 'General Requirements' [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26]. 21:43:58 Chris: 2. Unique ID; incorrect, but will revise spec to clarify 21:45:02 ACTION Chris Respond to Stephen Zilles re. uniqueid 21:45:02 Created ACTION-65 - Respond to Stephen Zilles re. uniqueid [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-01-26]. 21:45:14 Possible future action on Jonathan 21:46:23 Chris: 3. confusion over possible presence of children of localisable elements 21:47:22 Chris: unclear to at least two people, so text needs to be clearer 21:47:48 Vlad: is that SZ's actual concern? 21:48:22 text content and child elements 21:48:57 Vlad: modify, 'every time an element may be localised' add mention of children 21:51:24 ACTION Jonathan Edit spec 'this element may be localised' replaced 'this element may be localised using text child element' 21:51:25 Created ACTION-66 - Edit spec 'this element may be localised' replaced 'this element may be localised using text child element' [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26]. 21:52:32 ACTION Jonathan Edit section 6, past paragraph: 'at least one text sub element' replaced by 'at least one text child element'. 21:52:32 Created ACTION-67 - Edit section 6, past paragraph: 'at least one text sub element' replaced by 'at least one text child element'. [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26]. 21:55:00 ACTION Jonathan General replacement: 'sub elements' to 'child elements' 21:55:00 Created ACTION-68 - General replacement: 'sub elements' to 'child elements' [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26]. 21:55:21 Bert's comments http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2011JanMar/0009.html 21:56:59 Address in email 21:57:40 SZ No.4 : repeat of conformance criteria in two places 21:58:13 Make one informative and link to normative 21:59:40 Chris + Vlad : possibly remove summary 22:00:38 Chris: summary derivable, hence redundant 22:00:45 Agreed 22:01:32 Question to be posed on email in case of objections 22:02:07 ACTION Vlad Enquire on email re. removal of summary of conformance requirements 22:02:08 Created ACTION-69 - Enquire on email re. removal of summary of conformance requirements [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2011-01-26]. 22:02:27 rrsagent, make minutes 22:02:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL 22:03:27 Vlad: travelling next week, so might not make call; discuss Bert Bos' comments on email; skip next week's call 22:03:52 next week canceled 22:03:56 rrsagent, make minutes 22:03:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL 22:04:29 http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-webfonts-minutes.html,text 22:07:10 exit 23:33:35 Zakim has left #webfonts