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10:04:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
10:04:48 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM scheduled to start 4 minutes ago
10:04:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
10:04:49 <trackbot> Date: 19 January 2011
10:05:17 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has now started
10:05:24 <Zakim> +raphael
10:05:30 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jan/0027.html
10:05:35 <raphael> Chairs: Erik, Raphael
10:05:42 <Zakim> +Yves
10:05:59 <raphael> Regets: Thomas, Silvia
10:06:32 <Zakim> + +329331aaaa
10:07:16 <Zakim> + +31.20.592.aabb
10:07:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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10:10:16 <raphael> Topic: 1. Admin
10:10:31 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Yves
10:10:34 <Yves> damn!
10:10:37 <raphael> scribe: yves
10:10:43 <raphael> scribenick: Yves
10:11:21 <Yves> approval of last week minutes
10:11:25 <raphael> +1
10:11:27 <Yves> <Yves> +1
10:11:33 <davy> +1
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10:11:46 <Yves> RESOLUTION: minutes approved http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-minutes.html
10:12:01 <Yves> Topic: spec
10:12:20 <Yves> Philip sent some patches that needs to be incorporated in the spec
10:12:43 <Yves> As we did lots of changes, we need another LC (that will be short).
10:13:02 <Yves> I would like that we decide on the LC next week
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10:13:30 <Yves> aiming for 3 weeks review time
10:13:43 <Yves> any objection with the plan?
10:13:51 <erik> no
10:13:58 <hackerjack> no
10:14:12 <Yves> Davy: do I have to include RTSP in the spec before next week?
10:14:15 <Yves> Raphael: yes
10:14:19 <Yves> Davy: I will try
10:15:27 <Yves> document changed a lot in december but not a lot since then
10:16:48 <Yves> we need to rephrase slightly the part of the spec about SMPTE timecodes
10:17:24 <Yves> also new video codec don't have fixed framerates, we need to address that
10:17:58 <Yves> jack: 99.99% of existing movies files will have fixed framerate even if the format allows dynamic framerate
10:18:41 <davy> q+
10:19:03 <Yves> raphael: we need to address this case
10:20:00 <Yves> Jack: starting to rethink my position on that issue, it makes sense to present the whole fragment in that case
10:20:19 <Yves> should it be implementation notes?
10:20:51 <Yves> Raphael: in the final document, the things that we may remove because of lack of implementation might go in a non-normative appendix
10:21:13 <raphael> zakim, ack davy
10:21:13 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
10:21:20 <Yves> Yves: fine as long as it is clear that it's not normative and there because of lack of implementation
10:22:42 <Yves> Davy: variable framerate is usually not implemented as the encoder needs to communicate with the packager, and not sure it's implemented now. Also SMPTE time codes at a frame-basis should be there
10:23:16 <Yves> Jack: how about implemetation ?
10:23:36 <Yves> Davy: might try to get one at least aprtial
10:23:58 <Yves> Jack: if people are interested in that, they should demonstrate their interest with code, even if it's a toy implementation
10:25:41 <erik> q+
10:26:20 <Yves> Raphael: would like to invite Addison to discuss issue 17 about IRI and track names
10:26:34 <Yves> would feb 2 be ok? (ie: get critical mass here)
10:26:52 <raphael> I18N discussion: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jun/0056.html
10:27:35 <Yves> raphael: we also need to dedicate a complete telcon on test cases.
10:28:08 <raphael> zakim, ack erik
10:28:08 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
10:28:08 <Yves> erik: will issue 19 be solved by next week?
10:28:12 <Yves> raphael: yes
10:29:05 <Yves> Topic: HTML WG liaison
10:29:12 <raphael> Bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10723
10:30:36 <Yves> Bug was rejected because it was multiple things in one bug, Silvia had an AI to open several bugs
10:31:45 <Zakim> -raphael
10:31:55 <raphael> I have been dropped :-(
10:32:00 <Yves> Yves: only the last one about having to stop at the end of the fragment needs reopening
10:32:45 <Zakim> +raphael
10:35:19 <Yves> Topic: Implementation
10:35:31 <Yves> action 204 will be dropped
10:35:31 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 204
10:35:44 <Yves> the header syntax should be checked in the tests
10:35:57 <Yves> Topic: Open issues
10:36:13 <Yves> RTSP will be added soon
10:36:17 <Yves> Topic: test cases
10:36:23 <Yves> Davy has some updates on that front
10:36:45 <raphael> drop ACTION-204
10:37:04 <davy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jan/0025.html
10:37:20 <davy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/server-test-cases
10:37:53 <davy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/server-test-cases
10:38:03 <davy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases
10:40:43 <Yves> raphael: wondering about server-side tests
10:40:54 <Yves> davy: we need extra test cases, yes
10:41:08 <Yves> davy: but we have the template for test cases
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10:42:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:44:37 <Yves> Raphael: there are two things to check, URI parsed as it should and HTTP request sent as it should, and the second point is to verify the behaviour (graphical)
10:44:52 <Yves> jack: if we have a client saving the file, we can do automatic testing
10:45:33 <Yves> Yves: but there are things that we can't test that way (like displaying the complete timeline)
10:45:46 <Yves> Raphael: a few things needs to check manually, which is fine
10:46:09 <Yves> Jack: we need to check what SVG or CSS people are doing to test graphical output
10:46:23 <Yves> Jack: also if the number of manually testes tests is small...
10:46:34 <Yves> s/testes//
10:46:56 <Yves> s/manually tests/manually verifiable tests/
10:47:48 <Yves> Jack: the first thing is to review all the current tests
10:49:31 <Yves> Davy: we have also an issue with sources for tests
10:50:00 <Yves> Raphael: can we make files or is transcoding too difficult?
10:50:30 <Yves> Jack: ffmpeg might help there
10:51:33 <Yves> Raphael: please ask on the ML.
10:53:17 <hackerjack> yes
10:54:16 <Yves> Topic: AOB?
10:54:40 <Zakim> +Erik.a
10:54:52 <raphael> One question: should we use one of the movies in the spec and in the test cases ?
10:54:56 <Yves> Raphael: should we use in the test cases one of the movies we have in the agenda? (ie: one with the right license)
10:55:04 <raphael> * Sintel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7KhViaVqc
10:55:04 <raphael> ** longer version, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ
10:55:04 <raphael> * Big Bunny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk
10:55:04 <raphael> * The Elephant Dreams: http://www.archive.org/details/ElephantsDream
10:55:12 <hackerjack> I would prefer not to use the suggested movies
10:56:04 <davy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/media/spatial_30fps.webm ?
10:56:08 <Yves> Jack: we should create synthetic movies, easier to do checking (like switching backgrounds on boundaries we are about to tests)
10:56:41 <davy> http://ninsuna.elis.ugent.be/Media/MFWG/TC/spatial_30fps.mp4?track=3;1
10:57:20 <erik> q+
10:57:58 <Yves> erik: should we drop all the AI assigned to Michael?
10:58:09 <Yves> raphael: safe ot drop them
10:58:23 <raphael> zakim, ack erik
10:58:23 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
10:59:09 <Yves> Erik: we need to talk about use cases as well (from Shiraishi San)
10:59:31 <Nobu> Thank you, I am on IRC now.
10:59:45 <Yves> Erik: also who is attending the workshop in Berlin?
10:59:48 <Yves> Raphael: no
10:59:54 <Yves> Erik: I should be there
10:59:57 <Yves> ADJOURNED
11:00:01 <Zakim> -raphael
11:00:02 <Zakim> -Jack
11:00:03 <Zakim> -Yves
11:00:05 <Zakim> -Erik.a
11:00:20 <Nobu> I
11:00:21 <raphael> Nobu: we agree to continue the discussion on your use case on the mailing list
11:00:27 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
11:00:29 <Zakim> Attendees were raphael, Yves, +329331aaaa, Erik, Davy, +31.20.592.aabb, Jack
11:00:29 <raphael> please, create a wiki page if you want
11:00:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-mediafrag-minutes.html Yves
11:00:38 <Nobu> I see, thanks.
11:01:13 <raphael> The Use Cases and Requirements document is sort of "on hold" ... which means, we will update it at the end of the rec track process
11:01:35 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
11:01:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
11:02:32 <raphael> * Sintel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7KhViaVqc
11:02:32 <raphael> ** longer version, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ
11:02:32 <raphael> * Big Bunny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk
11:02:32 <raphael> * The Elephant Dreams: http://www.archive.org/details/ElephantsDream
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11:03:05 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
11:03:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
11:15:07 <raphael> Regrets: Thomas, Silvia
11:15:09 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
11:15:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
11:16:40 <raphael> s/aprtial/partial
11:16:41 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
11:16:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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