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20:59:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
20:59:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
20:59:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
20:59:58 <trackbot> Date: 13 January 2011
21:00:21 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
21:00:28 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
21:00:48 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
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21:01:30 <MichaelC> regrets: Gregg_Vanderheiden, James_Nurthen
21:01:39 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2011JanMar/0002.html
21:01:46 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
21:01:48 <MichaelC> chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:01:59 <MichaelC> zakim, Microsoft is Wolf_Schmidt
21:01:59 <Zakim> +Wolf_Schmidt; got it
21:02:13 <adam> adam has joined #wai-wcag
21:02:43 <Zakim> +??P7
21:02:56 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
21:03:19 <Zakim> +Loretta
21:03:35 <adam> this is adam i have a problem with mic
21:03:44 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
21:03:44 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P7 is Adam_Solomon
21:03:45 <Zakim> +Adam_Solomon; got it
21:04:22 <MichaelC> zakim, who's on the phone?
21:04:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Cooper, Wolf_Schmidt, Adam_Solomon, Loretta, Bruce_Bailey
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21:06:10 <Zakim> + +1.727.391.aaaa
21:06:18 <MichaelC> regrets+ Mary_Utt
21:06:30 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Marc_Johlic
21:06:31 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic; got it
21:07:00 <MichaelC> regrets+ Andrew_Kirkpatrick
21:07:11 <MichaelC> regrets+ David_MacDonald
21:08:25 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List Scribe List
21:08:32 <marcjohlic> scribe: marcjohlic
21:09:53 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Advisory Silverlight Technique for SC 1.1.1, 3.3.2: Providing User Instructions With AutomationProperties.HelpText in Silverlight
21:19:34 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as an advisory technique
21:19:47 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
21:21:04 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Sufficient Silverlight Technique for SC 3.1.2: Declaring Discrete Silverlight Objects to Specify Language Parts in the HTML DOM
21:21:15 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as propsed
21:21:32 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Advisory Silverlight Technique for SC 3.1.2: Understanding Language/Culture Properties as Used by Silverlight Applications and Assistive Technologies
21:30:37 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  Accepted as an advisory technique
21:31:27 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Sufficient Silverlight Technique for SC 4.1.2: Understanding the Accessibility Roles of Silverlight Text Elements
21:38:39 <adam> is it semantically correct to have simple text marked up as a control?
21:40:37 <adam> rock and hard place
21:41:49 <adam> perhaps we could leave out discussion of textblock, or at least minimize its mention as much as possible to make it more of a note
21:43:59 <adam> or perhaps mentioning the word "controls" in the title to avoid specific mention of all the controls
21:46:05 <Loretta> zakim who is making noise?
21:46:10 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
21:50:28 <adam> "Example 2: All three text containers " - should we leave out?
21:52:21 <adam> i still am uncomfortable with the title of the eample 2 section
21:53:12 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
21:54:04 <Loretta> Adam, can you suggest a better title?
21:54:19 <adam> never mind - i am ok with it. 
21:55:22 <adam> My only concern is that someone will go straight to example 2
21:55:33 <adam> and think it is a legitimate element to be used
21:56:37 <adam> thats fine
21:58:20 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
21:58:44 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Sufficient Silverlight Technique for SC 1.4.5: Using Silverlight Font Properties to Control Text Presentation, and Avoid Images of Text
21:59:52 <adam> ill look it over for a minute
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22:03:51 <adam> wait
22:03:59 <Loretta> ok, adam!
22:04:02 <adam> i think it could be left in...
22:04:16 <adam> if we enhance the discussion in the description...
22:04:28 <adam> the reason i think so is because this is adefinite pitfall
22:04:46 <adam> which is common
22:06:27 <adam> one sec
22:06:37 <adam> great
22:07:37 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
22:08:00 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
22:08:35 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Extend to SC 1.3.2 : Silverlight Technique "Using the Silverlight Default Tab Sequence and Altering Tab Sequences With Properties"
22:12:42 <adam> the problem of non focusable elements is very important
22:14:21 <adam> not off the bat - need a little  research
22:19:23 <adam> ok
22:21:23 <adam> traditionally tab sequence relates to focusable controls, so I agree with Wolf that the issue of non focusable controls is not so relevant to this technique
22:24:15 <marcjohlic> ACTION ITEM:  Loretta & Wolfe to investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content.   
22:24:15 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ITEM
22:25:00 <marcjohlic> ACTION:  Loretta investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content. 
22:25:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-116 - Investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content.  [on Loretta Guarino Reid - due 2011-01-20].
22:25:11 <marcjohlic> ACTION:  Wolfe  investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content. 
22:25:11 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Wolfe
22:25:46 <marcjohlic> ACTION: Wolf investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content.
22:25:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-117 - Investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content. [on Wolf Schmidt - due 2011-01-20].
22:26:03 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
22:27:08 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  Silverlight Technology Notes
22:27:15 <adam> i'm signing out - good night!
22:27:20 <adam> adam has left #wai-wcag
22:27:30 <Zakim> -Adam_Solomon
22:39:29 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
22:48:42 <marcjohlic> TENTATIVE GOAL:  Update the Editor's Draft by end of Feb 2011
22:51:40 <Zakim> -Wolf_Schmidt
22:51:43 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
22:51:44 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
22:51:45 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
22:51:52 <Zakim> -Loretta
22:51:53 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
22:51:54 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Wolf_Schmidt, Loretta, Adam_Solomon, +1.727.391.aaaa, Marc_Johlic, Tim_Boland
22:52:05 <MichaelC> trackbot, end meeting
22:52:05 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
22:52:05 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
22:52:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
22:52:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot
22:52:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
22:52:07 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
22:52:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ITEM to Loretta & Wolfe to investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content.    [1]
22:52:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-wai-wcag-irc#T22-24-15
22:52:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Loretta investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content.  [2]
22:52:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-wai-wcag-irc#T22-25-00
22:52:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wolfe  investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content.  [3]
22:52:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-wai-wcag-irc#T22-25-11
22:52:07 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wolf investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content. [4]
22:52:07 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-wai-wcag-irc#T22-25-46