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15:00:16 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()10:00AM scheduled to start now
15:00:17 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
15:00:17 <trackbot> Date: 12 January 2011
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15:01:36 <Zakim> +cslye
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15:01:58 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
15:01:58 <jfkthame> zakim, aaaa is jfkthame
15:02:01 <Zakim> +ChrisL
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15:02:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P28, cslye, +44.127.323.aaaa, ChrisL
15:02:19 <Zakim> +jfkthame; got it
15:02:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see cslye, Zakim, RRSAgent, Vlad, jfkthame, ChrisL, trackbot
15:02:35 <ChrisL> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2011Jan/0003.html
15:02:39 <Zakim> + +1.425.882.aabb
15:04:20 <ChrisL> zakim, aabb is Sergey
15:04:20 <Zakim> +Sergey; got it
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15:06:16 <cslye> Sorry, I'm not able to scribe today.
15:06:23 <ChrisL> ScribeNick: ChrisL
15:06:37 <ChrisL> Chair: Vlad
15:06:44 <ChrisL> Regrets: Tal, Erik
15:07:04 <ChrisL> Topic: Actions
15:07:17 <ChrisL> action-29?
15:07:17 <trackbot> ACTION-29 -- John Hudson to review woff faq with chris and vlad -- due 2010-10-06 -- OPEN
15:07:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/29
15:07:40 <ChrisL> Vlad: leave open the ones on Tal
15:07:49 <ChrisL> action-51?
15:07:49 <trackbot> ACTION-51 -- Chris Lilley to respond to erik muller on namespaces in metadata -- due 2010-12-08 -- OPEN
15:07:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/51
15:07:53 <ChrisL> done, closed
15:08:05 <ChrisL> close action-51
15:08:05 <trackbot> ACTION-51 Respond to erik muller on namespaces in metadata closed
15:08:46 <ChrisL> action-52
15:09:10 <ChrisL> ChrisL: think this is the same as one of the i18n ones so leave open depending
15:09:23 <ChrisL> cslye: will talk with Erik Muller
15:09:33 <ChrisL> action-53?
15:09:33 <trackbot> ACTION-53 -- Jonathan Kew to add a ua assert for decompressed length found to be not what it should be -- due 2010-12-15 -- OPEN
15:09:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/53
15:09:37 <ChrisL> action-54?
15:09:37 <trackbot> ACTION-54 -- Jonathan Kew to mark sec 4 5th para as ua assert -- due 2010-12-15 -- OPEN
15:09:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/54
15:09:47 <ChrisL> jfkthame: added some edits for that
15:10:35 <ChrisL> ... and linked them to the test plan for 54, not for 55 and 56
15:10:52 <ChrisL> action-56?
15:10:52 <trackbot> ACTION-56 -- Jonathan Kew to tag wrng size compressed meta as a ua assert -- due 2010-12-15 -- OPEN
15:10:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/56
15:11:19 <ChrisL> jfkthame: seems more like a file format assertion, we already have a us assertion on invalid metadata. please check
15:11:45 <ChrisL> close action-54
15:11:46 <trackbot> ACTION-54 Mark sec 4 5th para as ua assert closed
15:11:51 <ChrisL> close action-55
15:11:51 <trackbot> ACTION-55 Tag decompressible as a ua assert closed
15:11:57 <ChrisL> topic: last call comments
15:12:07 <ChrisL> Vlad: accepted comments
15:12:30 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html
15:12:43 <jfkthame> close action-53
15:12:43 <trackbot> ACTION-53 Add a ua assert for decompressed length found to be not what it should be closed
15:12:45 <ChrisL> Topic: 9. I18n-ISSUE-2: Why not using xml:lang?
15:13:37 <Zakim> + +47.21.65.aacc
15:15:08 <ChrisL> ChrisL: xml:lang is better, main decision is how to address backwards compatibility
15:17:09 <ChrisL> jfkthame: can we declare lang to be a synonym
15:17:23 <ChrisL> ChrisL: hard to dignal that in a machine readable way
15:17:42 <ChrisL> ... prefer to allow both and depercate lang, prefer xml:lang
15:18:35 <ChrisL> sergeym: can we remove it
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15:20:09 <ChrisL> Vlad: so we will use xml:lang and allow ua to accept lang but say new content  should not use lang
15:20:28 <ChrisL> sergeym: some tools may be confused by xml:lang on multiple elements
15:21:05 <ChrisL> Resolved: we will use xml:lang and allow ua to accept lang but say new content  should not use lang
15:21:29 <ChrisL> Topic: 10. I18n-ISSUE-4: Language tag references
15:21:44 <ChrisL> Vlad: chris responded to agree
15:22:18 <ChrisL> Resolved: accept lang tag references
15:22:34 <ChrisL> Topic: 11. I18n-ISSUE-5: Use of attributes for human readable text
15:22:49 <ChrisL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0104.html
15:22:59 <ChrisL> Vlad: traditional dilemma in xml
15:23:30 <ChrisL> ... generally elements is better than attributes but here, it would clearly invalidate the content
15:24:42 <ChrisL> ChrisL: depends which attribute. some are human readable some are not
15:25:07 <ChrisL> Vlad: mostly these are name attributes
15:26:03 <ChrisL> jfkthame: not an arbitrary mechanism for presenting data,not convinced there is a reasonable use case of localisng people
15:26:15 <ChrisL> ... filesystes dont allow localising filenames for example
15:26:23 <ChrisL> cslye: tend toagree
15:28:06 <ChrisL> ChrisL: example is Japanese contributors with names in both japanese characters and in Latin letters
15:32:50 <cslye> Vlad: Existing metadata design covers all use cases. Don't see the need to change it now.
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