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10:03:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
10:03:39 <trackbot> Date: 12 January 2011
10:04:09 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jan/0004.html
10:04:33 <raphael> Chair: Raphael
10:04:36 <raphael> Regrets: Erik
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10:05:23 <raphael> zakim, aacc is davy
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10:05:33 <raphael> zakim, aaaa is tomayac
10:05:33 <Zakim> +tomayac; got it
10:06:02 <raphael> Present: Raphael, Thomas, Davy, Yves, Silvia, Philip
10:06:07 <Zakim> +Yves
10:06:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:07:10 <raphael> Topic: 1. ADMIN
10:07:44 <raphael> Yves: management team discussing this afternoon about charter renewing
10:07:58 <raphael> ... I think it makes sense to have another LC step, but very short, 2 weeks
10:08:10 <raphael> ... given the substantial changes made
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10:08:47 <raphael> ... and so we give time to get more comments
10:09:02 <raphael> Raphael: will this enable to have the RTSP part in the document?
10:09:14 <raphael> Yves: the problem will be to get implementations
10:09:44 <raphael> Davy: we have a server side implementation of RTSP
10:10:04 <raphael> Yves: I think that separate note for RTSP would be better
10:10:12 <raphael> Raphael: poll is controversial on this aspect
10:10:58 <raphael> ... results are: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/rtsp-processing/results
10:12:10 <raphael> Propose to accept PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last week telecon: 
10:12:10 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html
10:12:17 <davy> +1
10:12:30 <raphael> s/PROPOSED to accept/
10:12:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:12:44 <raphael> +1
10:12:46 <Yves> +1
10:12:50 <davy> +1
10:12:52 <tomayac> +1
10:12:55 <raphael> minutes accepted
10:13:10 <raphael> Topic: 2. MEDIA FRAGMENT SPECIFICATION
10:13:17 <raphael> ACTION-199?
10:13:17 <trackbot> ACTION-199 -- Raphaël Troncy to add a clarification text regarding the purpose of the grammar -- due 2010-11-24 -- OPEN
10:13:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/199
10:13:39 <raphael> close ACTION-199
10:13:39 <trackbot> ACTION-199 Add a clarification text regarding the purpose of the grammar closed
10:13:46 <raphael> ACTION-200?
10:13:46 <trackbot> ACTION-200 -- Raphaël Troncy to send a proposal to close ISSUE-19 that consists in: clarification text + normative parsing algorithm -- due 2010-11-24 -- OPEN
10:13:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/200
10:13:58 <raphael> close ACTION-200
10:13:58 <trackbot> ACTION-200 Send a proposal to close ISSUE-19 that consists in: clarification text + normative parsing algorithm closed
10:14:08 <raphael> ISSUE-19?
10:14:08 <trackbot> ISSUE-19 -- Parsing must be defined normatively in the MF spec itself -- open
10:14:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/19
10:14:42 <raphael> Raphael: we cannot close this issue yet
10:14:53 <raphael> ... Philip sent patches that I have to review
10:15:09 <raphael> ... and include them in the document
10:15:34 <raphael> ACTION-196?
10:15:34 <trackbot> ACTION-196 -- Raphaël Troncy to address comments from the Media Annotations WG and draft a reply -- due 2010-11-09 -- OPEN
10:15:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/196
10:16:09 <raphael> Topic: 3. 3. HTML5 BUG:
10:16:18 <raphael> s/3. 3./3.
10:16:23 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft mionutes', raphael.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
10:16:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:16:40 <raphael> ACTION-205?
10:16:41 <trackbot> ACTION-205 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to send the MF clarification text to the HTML mailinglist -- due 2010-12-15 -- OPEN
10:16:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/205
10:16:46 <raphael> close ACTION-205
10:16:46 <trackbot> ACTION-205 Send the MF clarification text to the HTML mailinglist closed
10:16:48 <raphael> ACTION-206?
10:16:48 <trackbot> ACTION-206 -- Raphaël Troncy to reopen the MF bug in the HTML5 bug tracker -- due 2010-12-15 -- OPEN
10:16:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/206
10:16:54 <raphael> close ACTION-206
10:16:54 <trackbot> ACTION-206 Reopen the MF bug in the HTML5 bug tracker closed
10:17:44 <raphael> Raphael: Ian has closed the bug again
10:17:52 <raphael> ... he complains because we have 2 issues in one bug
10:18:00 <raphael> ... first issue, he replied
10:18:01 <raphael> "For comment 10 issue 1: the spec already says as much as it needs to say on the
10:18:01 <raphael> subject: "If either the media resource or the address of the current media
10:18:01 <raphael> resource indicate a particular start time, then set the initial playback
10:18:01 <raphael> position to that time and then seek seek to that time." (in the resource fetch
10:18:01 <raphael> algorithm)
10:18:18 <raphael> ... second issue, he replied
10:18:19 <raphael> "For comment 10 issue 2: that's a browser UI issue and out of scope of specs
10:18:20 <raphael> such as HTML.
10:18:54 <raphael> See also http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10723
10:21:37 <raphael> Yves: I agree with Ian for comment on issue 1
10:21:49 <raphael> ... I suggest to defer to Silvia for comment on issue 2
10:22:05 <raphael> Thomas: I think Ian is correct for issue 2
10:22:42 <raphael> Raphael: Silvia indicates we should open more bugs and would like to discuss them
10:23:20 <raphael> ... I suggest that Silvia mails the group which bugs she would like we open
10:24:13 <raphael> Topic: 4. RTSP processing 
10:24:20 <raphael> ISSUE-18?
10:24:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-18 -- RTSP processing of Media Fragments URI -- open
10:24:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/18
10:24:30 <raphael> ACTION-207?
10:24:30 <trackbot> ACTION-207 -- Raphaël Troncy to setup a poll regarding the fact that RTSP will be discussed in a separate note -- due 2010-12-15 -- OPEN
10:24:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/207
10:24:35 <raphael> close ACTION-207
10:24:36 <trackbot> ACTION-207 Setup a poll regarding the fact that RTSP will be discussed in a separate note closed
10:24:44 <raphael> Results of the poll: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/rtsp-processing/results
10:25:11 <raphael> ... 4 are for a separate note and 3 for inclusion in the main spec
10:25:44 <raphael> Yves, Thomas and Erik haven't replied yet
10:25:51 <raphael> Yves: I abstain
10:26:20 <raphael> Thomas: I don't have an opinion on this (lack of knowledge of RTSP), so I abstain as well
10:27:37 <raphael> Raphael: from the comments, the main fear is to delay the process ... but it seems we will have another LC anyway
10:27:53 <raphael> ... so I will rephrase the question: who is really *against* having this part in the main spec?
10:28:10 <raphael> Yves: my main concern is the delay to get the implementations of this part
10:28:31 <raphael> ... but this is not a main concern
10:30:01 <raphael> ACTION: Davy to add the RTSP processing section as an appending to the main document
10:30:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-210 - Add the RTSP processing section as an appending to the main document [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2011-01-19].
10:30:16 <raphael> Raphael: content to add is at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UA_Server_RTSP_Communication
10:31:02 <raphael> ... I will ask ALL to commit to a date where we are all here for inviting Addison to a telecon
10:31:40 <raphael> Topic: 4. Use Cases
10:31:56 <raphael> s/4. Use Cases/5. Use Cases
10:32:25 <raphael> Raphael: NEC is a new member in the group
10:32:37 <raphael> ... one representant suggest a new use case, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jan/0005.html
10:32:57 <raphael> Silvia: good use case but no more requirements that what we have
10:33:11 <raphael> Davy: perhaps he wants to have 2 regions in one URI ?
10:33:47 <raphael> ... perhaps he wants moving regions too
10:35:20 <raphael> Raphael: perhaps we could adapt our text in the UC document with this new input
10:35:54 <raphael> Topic: 6. Test Cases
10:36:11 <raphael> ACTIOn-209?
10:36:11 <trackbot> ACTION-209 -- Davy Van Deursen to convert TCs from the wiki to an RDF version -- due 2010-12-15 -- OPEN
10:36:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/209
10:36:25 <raphael> Davy: I'm working on it, hope to finish it by next week
10:36:38 <raphael> ... I'm also working on an HTML visualization so we don't have to look at the RDF
10:36:45 <tomayac> (did everybody leave the call?)
10:37:31 <raphael> Davy: we will need an entire telecon about test cases to re-review them later on
10:37:46 <raphael> ... include-setup has been added in the meantime
10:38:01 <raphael> Topic: 7. AOB
10:38:05 <raphael> [silence]
10:38:11 <raphael> meeting adjourned
10:38:35 <tomayac> same here
10:39:02 <Zakim> -raphael
10:39:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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11:05:05 <Zakim> Attendees were +49.408.081.7.aaaa, +33.4.93.00.aabb, raphael, +329331aacc, davy, tomayac, Yves
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11:12:24 <raphael> RRSAgent, bye
11:12:24 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
11:12:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Davy to add the RTSP processing section as an appending to the main document [1]
11:12:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-irc#T10-30-01