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15:57:40 <Norm> zakim, this will be xproc
15:57:40 <Zakim> ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
15:57:46 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
15:57:48 <Norm> Date: 6 January 2011
15:57:50 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2011/01/06-agenda
15:57:52 <Norm> Meeting: 186
15:57:54 <Norm> Chair: Norm
15:57:56 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
15:57:58 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
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16:00:08 <Zakim> +??P3
16:00:13 <ht> zakim, ? is me
16:00:13 <Zakim> +ht; got it
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16:02:07 <Vojtech> Zakim, Jeroen is Vojtech
16:02:07 <Zakim> +Vojtech; got it
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16:03:38 <Norm> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:03:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Norm, ht, MoZ, PGrosso, Vojtech, Alex_Milows
16:03:46 <Norm> Present: Norm, Henry, Mohamed, Paul, Vojtech, Alex
16:04:07 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
16:04:07 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2011/01/06-agenda.html
16:04:12 <Norm> Accepted.
16:04:18 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
16:04:18 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/12/16-minutes.html
16:04:26 <Norm> Accepted.
16:05:09 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting: telcon, 13 Jan 2011?
16:05:35 <Norm> Regrets from Mohamed; possible regrets from Norm; Henry to chair if we don't skip the meeting.
16:05:44 <Norm> Topic: Review of the template note
16:06:05 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/template-note.html
16:06:07 <MoZ> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/template-note.html
16:07:09 <Norm> Norm points to Mohamed's comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2010Dec/0011.html
16:07:26 <Norm> Norm: Anyone think I got the rules for parsing "{" and "}" wrong?
16:07:28 <Norm> No comments heard.
16:10:21 <Norm> Mohamed proposes renaming p:in-scope-names to p:set-in-scope-names
16:10:26 <Norm> Norm: I'm not moved.
16:11:13 <Norm> Vojtech: We also have p:value-available() to check if an option is set; so maybe values would be better in the name.
16:11:37 <Norm> Norm: Any other comments?
16:12:18 <Norm> Mohamed: I'm persuaded the the verb question isn't relevant here.
16:12:50 <Norm> Norm: I'm not sure I like values better, but I won't lie down in the road over the name.
16:13:01 <Norm> Vojtech: No, p:in-scope-names is ok with me?
16:13:04 <Norm> s/me?/me./
16:13:13 <Norm> Norm: Anyone else?
16:13:14 <Norm> None heard.
16:13:26 <Norm> Norm: I propose to leave the name unchanged. Any objections?
16:13:40 <Norm> Accepted.
16:14:14 <Norm> Norm: Now on to p:document-template; Mohamed proposes instead p:template-document and points out, in particular, that p:document-template would be another step starting "p:document", so makes completion harder.
16:15:16 <Norm> Norm: I'm sort of moved. I'm not thrilled with p:parameterize-document, but p:template-document works.
16:15:21 <Norm> Vojtech: What about just p:template?
16:15:25 <MoZ> +1
16:15:25 <Norm> Henry: I have to say I like that...
16:16:15 <Norm> Norm: I can't think of any problem with p:template. Anyone prefer *not* to name it p:template?
16:16:59 <Norm> Norm: I think the proposal is to rename p:document-template to simply p:template
16:17:25 <Norm> Accepted.
16:18:03 <Norm> Norm: The rest of Mohamed's note observes that the error links are broken and we don't have any examples.
16:18:49 <Norm> Mohamed: The declaration of the steps aren't the same as the declarations in XProc; the background color is missing.
16:19:10 <Norm> ACTION: Norm to produce a new draft.
16:22:28 <Norm> Mohamed: what about the error namespace?
16:22:39 <MoZ> Zakim, mute me
16:22:39 <Zakim> MoZ should now be muted
16:23:45 <Norm> Vojtech: Yes, don't we encourage users to use our error namespace?
16:24:02 <Norm> Norm: That was specifically for err:XD0030, I think, not the errors namespace.
16:25:27 <Norm> Vojtech: Or maybe it was the xproc-step namespace?
16:25:31 <Norm> Norm: Yes, that rings a bell.
16:25:40 <Norm> Brief searching doesn't turn up the relevant prose from the spec.
16:26:18 <Norm> Norm: So where are we?
16:26:44 <Norm> Vojtech: Saying we don't allow the error namespace for custom errors is what I'd like, but I think that would be a breaking change.
16:27:03 <Norm> Henry: Yes, but if users are doing that, they're already in danger of walking on each other.
16:27:50 <Norm> Henry: Given that we didn't publish a policy for that little symbol space, people use it at their own risk.
16:29:25 <Norm> Norm: Yes, I'm with Henry, if you started with XC0067 for your private errors, you've made an interesting design choice, but the consequences are small.
16:29:40 <Norm> Vojtech: Perhaps we could say that we discourage users from using the err: namespace?
16:29:40 <Zakim> -ht
16:29:59 <Norm> Vojtech: And perhaps something similar for the XProc step namespace?
16:30:04 <Norm> Norm: I'd be ok with that.
16:31:17 <Zakim> +??P0
16:31:30 <ht> zakim, ? is me
16:31:30 <Zakim> +ht; got it
16:31:50 <alexmilowski> gotta go take Max to school...
16:31:59 <Zakim> -Alex_Milows
16:32:38 <Norm> Norm: I think the proposal is to add a note of the form "Users are discouraged from using the error namespace..."
16:32:56 <Norm> Accepted.
16:33:06 <MoZ> Zakim, unmute me
16:33:06 <Zakim> MoZ should no longer be muted
16:33:30 <MoZ> Zakim, mute me
16:33:30 <Zakim> MoZ should now be muted
16:33:57 <Zakim> -ht
16:34:01 <Norm> Norm: How about we do this New Orlean's style? I'll publish a draft this week. If no one objects in email next week, I'll send it off to be published as an official WG note.
16:34:26 <ht> +1
16:34:34 <Norm> Accepted.
16:34:59 <Norm> Topic: Review of comments on the processor profiles document
16:35:07 <Norm> -> file://localhost/projects/w3c/WWW/XML/XProc/2010/11/lc-comments/
16:35:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:35:24 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2010/11/lc-comments/
16:35:42 <Norm> Norm: There aren't any new comments.
16:35:48 <Norm> Henry: I haven't looked at it.
16:36:37 <Norm> Norm: I think all we need to do is close the loop with David Lee that we're not comfortable adding more profiles
16:36:57 <Norm> Henry: What about Vojtech's comment?
16:37:05 <Norm> Vojtech: I think it's obvious that we expect a namespace aware processor.
16:37:21 <Norm> Norm: I think that is what we meant, but if it's not clear...
16:37:22 <Zakim> -ht
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16:37:46 <Norm> Vojtech: We refer to the term "namespace well-formed document", I think that naturally assumes a namespace aware processor.
16:38:04 <ht> Yes, that's what I was looking for
16:38:14 <Norm> Norm: I think you're right. Namespace well-formed is absolutely definitive,  I think.
16:38:26 <Norm> Norm: So we can close your issue without change?
16:38:29 <Norm> Vojtech: Yes, I think so.
16:39:05 <Zakim> +??P12
16:39:10 <ht> zakim, ? is me
16:39:10 <Zakim> +ht; got it
16:39:47 <Norm> ACTION: Henry to close the loop with David Lee to get his assent to not add new profiles.
16:40:15 <Norm> Norm: If that works out, then I think we should begin the process of getting this published as a PR.
16:40:29 <Norm> Topic: Definition of an XProc processor
16:40:57 <Norm> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2010Nov/0052.html
16:41:07 <Norm> Norm: Vojtech made a proposal that I liked.
16:41:28 <Norm> Norm: I'll draft an erratum to add that definition to the spec.
16:41:51 <Norm> Norm: Any other business?
16:42:13 <MoZ> Zakim, unmute me
16:42:13 <Zakim> MoZ should no longer be muted
16:42:27 <Norm> We've got stuff we can do in email, I propose that we *don't* meet next week.
16:42:35 <Norm> Next meeting is 20 January. Any objections?
16:42:46 <Norm> None heard.
16:42:55 <Norm> Norm: Any regrets for 20 January?
16:43:11 <Norm> None heard.
16:43:23 <Norm> Adjourned.
16:43:23 <Zakim> -Norm
16:43:25 <Zakim> -PGrosso
16:43:26 <Zakim> -Vojtech
16:43:27 <Norm> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
16:43:29 <Zakim> -MoZ
16:43:29 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:43:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/06-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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