14:57:40 RRSAgent has joined #rdfa 14:57:40 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/01/06-rdfa-irc 14:57:42 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:57:42 Zakim has joined #rdfa 14:57:44 Zakim, this will be 7332 14:57:45 Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference 14:57:45 Date: 06 January 2011 14:57:45 ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes 14:58:10 Chair: Manu 14:58:35 Present: Ivan, MarkB, Steven, Toby, Nathan, Manu 14:59:17 apologies/regrets, I'm going to have to miss todays meeting as I've just been called in to the kids school for a meeting in 15 mins 14:59:56 Regrets: Nathan 15:00:12 Benjamin has joined #rdfa 15:00:25 Present+ Benjamin 15:00:47 SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started 15:00:54 + +1.540.961.aaaa 15:00:59 zakim, I am aaaa 15:00:59 +manu; got it 15:01:14 zakim, dial steven-617 15:01:14 ok, Steven; the call is being made 15:01:18 +Steven 15:01:23 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jan/0029.html 15:01:31 zakim, dial ivan-voip 15:01:31 ok, ivan; the call is being made 15:01:34 +Ivan 15:01:51 + +63.12.057.5aabb 15:02:09 zakim, I am aabb 15:02:21 +Benjamin; got it 15:03:12 ShaneM has joined #rdfa 15:03:23 scribenick: Benjamin 15:03:33 +ShaneM 15:04:12 manu: let's start. Any updates, changes to agenda? 15:04:21 zakim, who is on the call? 15:04:21 On the phone I see manu, Steven, Ivan, Benjamin, ShaneM 15:04:35 Topic: Work Plan for 1st Quarter of 2011 15:04:40 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jan/0001.html 15:05:08 ... it covers January, February and March 15:06:25 ... Shane aggreed to handle the last call comments 15:06:57 ... do we want to speak up before sending responses? 15:07:39 ivan: Shane should not be pushed with technical issues. 15:08:42 manu1: I created issues for all most incomming comments 15:08:48 http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/products/8 15:09:53 ShaneM: Some comments are more related to XHTML or HTML. I'll redirect these. 15:10:31 manu1: Next plan is to get the RDFa API and RDF API document into better shape. 15:13:47 belated apologies, I'm afraid. 15:13:55 can't make the call...sorry. 15:15:01 Manu1: In March we hope to have first implementations of the RDFa API 15:17:25 ... In March try to move to Porposed Recommendations for current Working Drafts 15:18:01 ivan: let's talk about the Primer 15:18:31 ivan: what about the chartered optional cookbook? 15:19:14 ... the cookbok should include RDFa API content. Therefore the deadline should be later. 15:19:46 I started gathering some potential examples for the cookbook on the WG wiki. 15:19:47 ... maybe we could collect code snippets from our discussion on a wiki page 15:20:35 ... Toby began to play with an ATOM host laguage for RDFa 15:20:49 ... we should publish that as anote 15:20:49 http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/Cookbook/Examples 15:21:36 http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/Atom_plus_RDFa 15:21:40 manu1: let's discuss it on the mailing list 15:22:09 Topic: Thoughts on RDF API and RDFa API Documents 15:22:17 http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdf-api/ 15:22:24 http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-api/ 15:22:37 manu1: Is everyone OK with the current directions of these documents? 15:23:52 benjamin: i am ok, want to look deeper into the RDF API 15:24:04 Steven: OK 15:24:11 Topic: XHTML Profile document changes/management 15:24:21 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Dec/0054.html 15:24:40 manu1: toby was working on this 15:24:42 http://buzzword.org.uk/2010/xhtml-vocab-20101110.xhtml 15:24:54 + +44.785.583.aacc 15:25:00 Zakim, aacc is me 15:25:00 +tinkster; got it 15:25:31 manu: good you give an overview Toby? 15:26:05 q+ 15:26:07 tinkster: update is on mapping the XHTML vocabulary with other vocabluaries like Dublin Core 15:26:39 manu: This is a good thing to do. 15:26:55 manu: Any concerns about this? 15:26:56 ack ivan 15:27:07 ivan: I have some comments. 15:27:15 zakim, mute me 15:27:15 tinkster should now be muted 15:27:58 q+ to discuss core vs. xhtml profiles 15:28:10 ... Many changes relate to core level rather than XHTML. 15:29:01 ... We have to have a well documented process about how a prefix gets into the profile 15:30:00 ack manu 15:30:00 manu, you wanted to discuss core vs. xhtml profiles 15:30:05 ... It's tricky to add or not add vocabularies like Dublin Core, Foaf , SIOC or Google's. 15:30:42 manu: RDFa core is intended to cover abstract vocabularies 15:31:14 ivan: I disagree 15:32:49 ShaneM: The RDFa core does not concern about any other document formats 15:34:47 ivan: RDFa Core works with any XML language 15:35:49 ivan: I should be able to use the RDF distiller for any RDFa data containing any RDF vocabulary 15:36:16 manu: should we add the document conformance into the RDFa Core document? 15:36:52 ShaneM: We could add a section about XML conformance. 15:37:34 ... Ivan you use case is a real use case. I have to think about this issue. How about testing? Do we have a core test suite? 15:41:29 ivan: For a given set of vocabularies (SIOC, FOAF, ...) we should be able to use them without a profile. 15:41:38 q? 15:42:07 ivan: An XHTML document should have two profiles, the default profile and its own profile. 15:42:08 chances are you'd hardcode both. 15:42:34 ShaneM: We should not have two profiles 15:44:12 define an XML+RDFa host language 15:44:57 I use media type. 15:45:00 ivan: How does a processor identify the host language? 15:45:52 q+ to discuss checking the vocabulary profile 15:45:55 ack manu 15:45:55 manu, you wanted to discuss checking the vocabulary profile 15:47:37 q+ to discuss selecting the default profile 15:48:08 XHTML+RDFa says: XHTML+RDFa documents should be labeled with the Internet Media Type "application/xhtml+xml" as defined in [RFC3236]. For further information on using media types with XHTML Family markup languages, see the informative note [XHTML-MEDIA-TYPES]. 15:48:25 manu: The HTML said that analysing the mimetpye is not the right way to identify the host language 15:50:34 ivan: not all document formats have a doc type 15:50:49 HTML5 served as text/html can have xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" 15:51:47 ack manu 15:51:47 manu, you wanted to discuss selecting the default profile 15:52:13 manu: although you cannot count on it, as shown by Toby's example we should use the namespace to decide which profile to use 15:53:37 I would prefer embedding rules for XML+RDFa in RDFa Core rather than a separate spec 15:54:09 ... I don't know if we have a concensus about implementing the profile lookup for RDFa processors 15:54:25 RDFa Core needs to have rules for discovery defined in section 4.1 15:55:05 ivan: We could add an XML profile section in the RDFA Core spec 15:55:51 manu: another XML spec is not much more work 15:56:23 ShaneM: We have to recharter when publishing another specification 15:56:42 ... I would add it into the conformance section 16:00:04 We need to add these as specific last call issues so we can address them 16:01:18 There is a difference in terms of constructing the DOM from the byte stream. 16:01:48 q+ to end the meeting 16:04:10 ShaneM: A conformance should use information form the higher level protocol to determine the document format 16:06:29 -ShaneM 16:06:30 zakim, drop me 16:06:30 Ivan is being disconnected 16:06:31 -Ivan 16:06:31 -tinkster 16:06:33 -manu 16:06:33 -Steven 16:06:35 ... is it OK that I fix comments I absolutely OK with. 16:06:49 The group agreed. 16:06:54 -Benjamin 16:06:56 SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended 16:06:58 Attendees were +1.540.961.aaaa, manu, Steven, Ivan, +63.12.057.5aabb, Benjamin, ShaneM, +44.785.583.aacc, tinkster 16:09:20 s/mimetpye/media type/ 16:09:50 zakim, who is on the call? 16:09:50 apparently SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended, manu 16:09:51 On IRC I see ShaneM, Benjamin, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven, manu, tinkster, ivan, webr3, manu1, trackbot, markbirbeck 16:10:24 rrsagent, make minutes 16:10:24 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/06-rdfa-minutes.html Benjamin 17:27:45 zakim, bye 17:27:45 Zakim has left #rdfa 17:27:48 trackbot, bye 17:27:48 trackbot has left #rdfa 17:27:51 rrsagent, bye 17:27:51 I see no action items