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20:24:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WSRA
20:24:26 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
20:24:27 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
20:24:27 <trackbot> Date: 04 January 2011
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20:29:46 <Zakim> WS_WSRA()3:30PM has now started
20:29:50 <Zakim> +Doug_Davis
20:29:52 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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20:30:34 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
20:30:35 <Zakim> +Wu_Chou
20:30:54 <Zakim> + +39.331.574.aaaa
20:31:03 <Zakim> +Bob_Freund
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20:31:16 <Zakim> + +44.196.281.aabb
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20:32:55 <Zakim> +Yves
20:33:39 <Client> chair: Bob Freund
20:33:46 <Client> zakim, pick a victim
20:33:46 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose +44.196.281.aabb
20:34:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:36:42 <Client> scribenick: li
20:36:44 <dug> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2011Jan/0002.html
20:37:04 <li> TOPIC: agenda
20:37:48 <li> bob: agenda approved
20:38:01 <li> bob: minutes approved
20:38:07 <dug> Gil - the f2f is at redwood shores, right?
20:38:36 <li> TOPIC: next f2f meeting
20:40:12 <li> bob: microsoft is ram + 1,2
20:40:27 <Ram> Ram has joined #ws-ra
20:40:42 <li> bob: no pre registration needed to attend f2f
20:40:50 <Zakim> +Tom_Rutt
20:41:09 <Ram> q+
20:41:15 <Ram> q-
20:41:46 <dug> no strategery discussions  ;-)
20:42:01 <Zakim> -Tom_Rutt
20:42:35 <gpilz> q+
20:42:45 <gpilz> q-
20:43:07 <Client> New issue http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11667
20:43:28 <li> TOPIC: 11667
20:43:42 <li> bob: the above issue is opened
20:45:03 <dug> options:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Dec/att-0028/00-part
20:45:15 <li> gil: discuss approaches to 11667
20:45:40 <li> gil: incline to support both
20:45:49 <li> wu: fine with that
20:46:52 <li> gil: i can come up needed text in ws-e 2.3
20:48:59 <li> TOPIC: test Scenarios
20:50:40 <gpilz> Add the following sentence to the end of the 2nd paragraph of Section 2.3: Conformant Event Source implementations MUST support both wrapped and unwrapped notifications.
20:51:15 <li> dug: how about in 3.4?
20:51:35 <dug> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/wsmex.html#Compliance
20:53:01 <li> bob: resolution to 11667 per gil's sentence in ws-e 2.3
20:53:37 <li> bob: 11667 resolved w/o objection
20:54:12 <li> TOPIC: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11551 
20:54:22 <Zakim> +Tom_Rutt
20:54:49 <Client> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2011Jan/0003.html
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20:55:11 <dug> +q
20:55:23 <li> bob: there is a mime type proposal for the issue in the link
20:55:26 <Tom_Rutt> i am now present on the call
20:56:24 <li> gil: describe his proposal per wsdl 2.0 approach
20:57:37 <dug> queue
20:57:56 <Client> ack dug
20:59:00 <Yves> actually, you should look at 3023bis, even if 3023 is the current "stable"
20:59:26 <Client> ack yv
21:00:10 <dug> +q
21:00:19 <Client> ack dug
21:00:48 <li> discuss problem with mime type and URI fragment
21:02:14 <li> dug: rename name to id to avoid conflict
21:03:01 <li> yves and gil: sounds fine
21:04:00 <li> tom: id is ncname
21:05:07 <Ashok> From XML Schema:  The ·value space· of ID is the set of all strings that ·match· the NCName production in [Namespaces in XML]. 
21:05:51 <li> bob: issue 11551 resolved w/o objection (replace name attribute with id in evd)
21:06:27 <li> dug: can do these changes tonight
21:06:59 <dug> ah, now I see "jessica"
21:08:10 <li> gil: will not implement xpath in ws-e
21:08:55 <li> dug: intend to do as many as possible
21:09:44 <li> bob: mark optional feataures w/o implementation as "at risk"
21:10:06 <li> ... and they will disappear
21:12:20 <li> ...propose to mark all features "at risk" going into CR
21:12:42 <li> s/all feateures/all optional features/
21:13:30 <li> TOPIC: CR schedule
21:13:47 <Zakim> -Tom_Rutt
21:14:31 <li> ... unless there are two implementations
21:16:16 <Zakim> +Tom_Rutt
21:16:37 <li> dug: what qualifies as implementation, e.g ws-policy?
21:17:34 <li> bob: implementation exhibits required behaviors
21:19:08 <li> dug: what does an implementation need to do keep ws-policy?
21:19:08 <Tom_Rutt> q+
21:19:24 <Katy> q+
21:19:30 <Client> ack tom
21:19:36 <li> bob: wsdl is sufficient
21:20:18 <Client> ack katy
21:21:00 <Tom_Rutt> q+
21:21:04 <li> katy: we can test server behavior associated with policy
21:21:16 <Client> ack tom
21:22:05 <Katy> We can test that service errors indicating non-support should not contradict advertised policies
21:24:12 <li> ashok: two wsdl with different policy should have different behaviors
21:24:23 <Tom_Rutt> q+
21:24:36 <Client> ack tom
21:24:44 <li> dug: expose policy in wsdl is enought?
21:24:53 <li> s/enought/enough/
21:26:03 <Katy> q+
21:26:04 <Tom_Rutt> q+
21:26:22 <li> gil: policy associated behaviors can be hard-coded or tool derived, therefore it is hard to decide which was done
21:26:31 <Client> ack katy
21:27:18 <Client> ack tom
21:27:30 <li> katy: behaviors exposed by policy should not be contradicted by protocol messages
21:28:51 <li> bob: we do need to test policy are well-formed
21:29:23 <li> tom: there is no need for test cases for policy
21:30:08 <dug> +q
21:30:33 <dug> -q
21:30:40 <Client> ack dug
21:30:49 <li> bob: mark all options at risk or everyone marks those to implement in week?
21:32:02 <li> bob: to point feature list locations and AI to mark them up
21:33:34 <li> bob: need to resolve issues in remind status
21:34:25 <Client> test scenarios http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/scenario.html
21:35:20 <li> TOPIC: test scenarios 
21:36:22 <li> ram: is there a separate doc for ws-enu?
21:39:59 <li> bob: folks need to mark feature list as implemented, not implemented, or dont know
21:40:15 <dug> ram:  http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/scenario.xml    and there are some templates in the enum section that nathan can follow
21:40:50 <Zakim> - +1.831.713.aacc
21:40:54 <li> bob: defer primers to after test cases
21:41:12 <asoldano> bye
21:41:13 <Zakim> -Wu_Chou
21:41:14 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
21:41:15 <Zakim> -Tom_Rutt
21:41:16 <Zakim> -Bob_Freund
21:41:17 <Zakim> -Doug_Davis
21:41:17 <Zakim> -Yves
21:41:20 <Zakim> - +39.331.574.aaaa
21:41:21 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
21:41:21 <Zakim> - +44.196.281.aabb
21:41:30 <Client> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:41:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/04-ws-ra-minutes.html Client
21:48:51 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
21:48:53 <Zakim> WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
21:48:54 <Zakim> Attendees were Doug_Davis, [Microsoft], Ashok_Malhotra, Wu_Chou, +39.331.574.aaaa, Bob_Freund, +44.196.281.aabb, +1.831.713.aacc, Yves, [IPcaller], Tom_Rutt