IRC log of ws-ra on 2011-01-04

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logging to
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be WSRA
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ok, trackbot; I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
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Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 04 January 2011
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WS_WSRA()3:30PM has now started
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+ +39.331.574.aaaa
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+ +44.196.281.aabb
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+ +1.831.713.aacc
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20:33:39 [Client]
chair: Bob Freund
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zakim, pick a victim
20:33:46 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose +44.196.281.aabb
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20:36:42 [Client]
scribenick: li
20:36:44 [dug]
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TOPIC: agenda
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bob: agenda approved
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bob: minutes approved
20:38:07 [dug]
Gil - the f2f is at redwood shores, right?
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TOPIC: next f2f meeting
20:40:12 [li]
bob: microsoft is ram + 1,2
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bob: no pre registration needed to attend f2f
20:40:50 [Zakim]
20:41:09 [Ram]
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20:41:46 [dug]
no strategery discussions ;-)
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20:42:35 [gpilz]
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20:43:07 [Client]
New issue
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TOPIC: 11667
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bob: the above issue is opened
20:45:03 [dug]
20:45:15 [li]
gil: discuss approaches to 11667
20:45:40 [li]
gil: incline to support both
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wu: fine with that
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gil: i can come up needed text in ws-e 2.3
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TOPIC: test Scenarios
20:50:40 [gpilz]
Add the following sentence to the end of the 2nd paragraph of Section 2.3: Conformant Event Source implementations MUST support both wrapped and unwrapped notifications.
20:51:15 [li]
dug: how about in 3.4?
20:51:35 [dug]
20:53:01 [li]
bob: resolution to 11667 per gil's sentence in ws-e 2.3
20:53:37 [li]
bob: 11667 resolved w/o objection
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20:55:08 [Tom_Rutt]
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20:55:23 [li]
bob: there is a mime type proposal for the issue in the link
20:55:26 [Tom_Rutt]
i am now present on the call
20:56:24 [li]
gil: describe his proposal per wsdl 2.0 approach
20:57:37 [dug]
20:57:56 [Client]
ack dug
20:59:00 [Yves]
actually, you should look at 3023bis, even if 3023 is the current "stable"
20:59:26 [Client]
ack yv
21:00:10 [dug]
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ack dug
21:00:48 [li]
discuss problem with mime type and URI fragment
21:02:14 [li]
dug: rename name to id to avoid conflict
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yves and gil: sounds fine
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tom: id is ncname
21:05:07 [Ashok]
From XML Schema: The ·value space· of ID is the set of all strings that ·match· the NCName production in [Namespaces in XML].
21:05:51 [li]
bob: issue 11551 resolved w/o objection (replace name attribute with id in evd)
21:06:27 [li]
dug: can do these changes tonight
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ah, now I see "jessica"
21:08:10 [li]
gil: will not implement xpath in ws-e
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dug: intend to do as many as possible
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bob: mark optional feataures w/o implementation as "at risk"
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... and they will disappear
21:12:20 [li]
...propose to mark all features "at risk" going into CR
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s/all feateures/all optional features/
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TOPIC: CR schedule
21:13:47 [Zakim]
21:14:31 [li]
... unless there are two implementations
21:16:16 [Zakim]
21:16:37 [li]
dug: what qualifies as implementation, e.g ws-policy?
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bob: implementation exhibits required behaviors
21:19:08 [li]
dug: what does an implementation need to do keep ws-policy?
21:19:08 [Tom_Rutt]
21:19:24 [Katy]
21:19:30 [Client]
ack tom
21:19:36 [li]
bob: wsdl is sufficient
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ack katy
21:21:00 [Tom_Rutt]
21:21:04 [li]
katy: we can test server behavior associated with policy
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ack tom
21:22:05 [Katy]
We can test that service errors indicating non-support should not contradict advertised policies
21:24:12 [li]
ashok: two wsdl with different policy should have different behaviors
21:24:23 [Tom_Rutt]
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ack tom
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dug: expose policy in wsdl is enought?
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21:26:03 [Katy]
21:26:04 [Tom_Rutt]
21:26:22 [li]
gil: policy associated behaviors can be hard-coded or tool derived, therefore it is hard to decide which was done
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ack katy
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ack tom
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katy: behaviors exposed by policy should not be contradicted by protocol messages
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bob: we do need to test policy are well-formed
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tom: there is no need for test cases for policy
21:30:08 [dug]
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ack dug
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bob: mark all options at risk or everyone marks those to implement in week?
21:32:02 [li]
bob: to point feature list locations and AI to mark them up
21:33:34 [li]
bob: need to resolve issues in remind status
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test scenarios
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TOPIC: test scenarios
21:36:22 [li]
ram: is there a separate doc for ws-enu?
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bob: folks need to mark feature list as implemented, not implemented, or dont know
21:40:15 [dug]
ram: and there are some templates in the enum section that nathan can follow
21:40:50 [Zakim]
- +1.831.713.aacc
21:40:54 [li]
bob: defer primers to after test cases
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- +39.331.574.aaaa
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- +44.196.281.aabb
21:41:30 [Client]
rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate Client
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WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
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Attendees were Doug_Davis, [Microsoft], Ashok_Malhotra, Wu_Chou, +39.331.574.aaaa, Bob_Freund, +44.196.281.aabb, +1.831.713.aacc, Yves, [IPcaller], Tom_Rutt