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20:01:05 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
20:01:05 <trackbot> Date: 20 December 2010
20:03:11 <richardschwerdtfe> scribe: Rich
20:03:15 <richardschwerdtfe> Agenda:
20:03:17 <richardschwerdtfe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010OctDec/0065.html
20:04:13 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: Most things will be on hold until Microsoft can attend and answer their questions
20:04:41 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: Microsoft is mainly concerned about IFrame
20:05:24 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: do you think that aria-invalid and aria-selected meet our needs?
20:05:33 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: yes for aria-invalid as is. 
20:05:51 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: aria-selected is is not fully defined
20:06:07 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: David bolter's use of Mark's make sense
20:06:19 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: but what about cursor?
20:07:54 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: What about SVG?
20:08:21 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: I like to know I can serialize everything through the layers
20:09:15 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: Now with Canvas I know I can do everything mainly because we have a 2D API for establishing the screen position but SVG, how might we serialize it?
20:09:41 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: Because SVG mixes content and presenation
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20:10:15 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: there is some provision for CSS positioning
20:10:35 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles, It may be as simple in 1.1 where we might have a cursor role
20:10:57 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: where is the focus ring in anything
20:11:21 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: SVG focus is well defined but different
20:11:26 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: yes
20:12:00 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: do they have a draw path?
20:12:07 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: yes
20:12:48 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: you could that if I were focused on a path 
20:12:58 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: we need to work on this with SVG
20:13:14 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: I think we have a very strong proposal for canvas.
20:14:05 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: So, we need an ARIA 1.1 to establish the scenario for aria-selected being applied to text and host language markup.
20:14:18 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: as a global property
20:14:23 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: yes
20:14:50 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: Let's push for an ARIA 1.1
20:15:28 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: We need to do some implementations but other than that I think we are OK
20:16:39 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: Microsoft is moving forward with global composition modes. It means I want to have XOR, etc. It will be in the next preview. 
20:18:00 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: I think we need to make sure AT's support support aria-invalid for other elements
20:18:41 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: I think it would not work for text area tags but it would for <divs>
20:20:38 <richardschwerdtfe> Charles: I will try to do this with spelling and grammar errors in the canvas subdom
20:22:20 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: we can tell authors that if they want to make RTE accessible in canvas you need to use the aria markup for selection and invalid content vs. contenteditable sections
20:22:41 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: where we can't get the API in place to expose grammar and spelling errors
20:23:16 <richardschwerdtfe>  Charles: I hope this is a step to infuencing contenteditable's implementation
20:24:50 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: we can get selection and caret information from text fields albeit IE and the rest of industry are inconsistent
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20:29:44 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: no meeting until January 10, 2011
20:29:53 <richardschwerdtfe> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:33:57 <richardschwerdtfe> Chair: Rich
20:34:24 <richardschwerdtfe> meeting: W3C HTML 5 Canvas Accessibility Working Group
20:34:32 <richardschwerdtfe> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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