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21:00:13 <laurent_csiro> zakim, this will be inc_ssn 
21:00:13 <Zakim> ok, laurent_csiro, I see INC_SSN()4:00PM already started
21:00:29 <laurent_csiro> Meeting:  SSN XG
21:00:34 <Pramod> Pramod has joined #SSN
21:00:45 <laurent_csiro> Chair: Laurent
21:01:23 <michael> michael has joined #ssn
21:01:34 <laurent_csiro> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Dec/0002.html
21:02:21 <Zakim> +??P3
21:02:45 <laurent_csiro> zakim, ??P3 is laurent
21:02:45 <Zakim> +laurent; got it
21:03:04 <Zakim> + +61.4.097.8.aabb
21:03:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:05:26 <laurent_csiro> Regrets: Cory
21:05:48 <laurent_csiro> rrsagent, please make record public
21:06:50 <Zakim> +??P5
21:07:09 <michael> zakim, ??P5 is me
21:07:09 <Zakim> +michael; got it
21:07:24 <kerryt> kerryt has joined #ssn
21:08:00 <laurent_csiro> zakim, [IPCaller] is kerry
21:08:00 <Zakim> sorry, laurent_csiro, I do not recognize a party named '[IPCaller]'
21:08:23 <laurent_csiro> zakim, list attendes
21:08:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'list attendes', laurent_csiro
21:08:29 <laurent_csiro> zakim, list attendees
21:08:29 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.937.775.aaaa, laurent, +61.4.097.8.aabb, Arthur, michael
21:09:10 <kerryt> zakim, +61.4.097 is me
21:09:10 <Zakim> +kerryt; got it
21:09:30 <laurent_csiro> zakim, +1.937.775.aaaa is Pramod
21:09:30 <Zakim> +Pramod; got it
21:10:11 <laurent_csiro> scribenick: Arthur 
21:10:32 <laurent_csiro> Topic: Feedback from OGC meeting on alignment to Dolcoe Ultra Lite
21:10:40 <laurent_csiro> s/Dolcoe/Dolce/
21:12:07 <laurent_csiro> Laurent presented the SSN XG ontology to OGC TC meeting 
21:12:44 <laurent_csiro> One critical point: alignment between ssn:Observation dul:Situation 
21:13:13 <laurent_csiro> Issue to watch: impact of disjoints in DUL constraining the use 
21:13:29 <michael> keeps dropping out?
21:13:39 <michael> laurent's voice that is
21:13:46 <kerryt> everything is fine for me
21:13:46 <Zakim> -michael
21:13:57 <kerryt> might be the strom
21:14:08 <kerryt> s/strom/storm
21:14:20 <michael> yeah my skype just dropped out - we have a thunder storm here
21:14:50 <Zakim> +??P0
21:15:03 <michael> zakim, ??P0 is me
21:15:03 <Zakim> +michael; got it
21:21:11 <Arthur> Michael: we could make our ontology more precise to prevent inheritance from DUL classes which can lead to conflicts
21:22:17 <Arthur> Laurent: another candidate for conflicts are observations and events 
21:24:25 <Arthur> Michael: Observation is something that has happened, it can be an event or a set of events but don't has to
21:25:27 <laurent_csiro> s/observations and events/situations and events/
21:25:42 <kerryt> +q
21:25:51 <laurent_csiro> ack kerryt
21:26:14 <Arthur> Laurent: we don't have to change the ontology, but we need to document his kind of explanation
21:28:07 <kerryt> An observation can be realted to an event ofr set of events but is not an event itself
21:28:19 <laurent_csiro> s/realted/related/
21:28:22 <kerryt> s/realted/related/
21:28:29 <michael> +q
21:28:33 <Zakim> +??P5
21:28:36 <laurent_csiro> ack michael
21:28:40 <kerryt> s/ofr/or
21:29:27 <kerryt> Mote that sensing is what you do to make an observation. we see that the process of making an observation is an "event" , but not the observation itself
21:29:36 <kerryt> s.mote/note
21:29:44 <kerryt> s/mote/note
21:31:44 <laurent_csiro> Observation page: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Observation 
21:31:47 <kerryt> (excuse me ) arthur-- no. This is not right either. It is not a container of events. It can be "related by a property" to an event.
21:32:07 <laurent_csiro> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Skeleton
21:33:41 <laurent_csiro> zakim, ??P5 is Payam 
21:33:41 <Zakim> +Payam; got it
21:35:24 <Pramod> +q amit
21:36:00 <laurent_csiro> ack amit 
21:36:38 <kerryt> An ssn:observation is not a dul:event.  It is the record of an event. The process of sensing is a dul:event, but the ssn;observation is the outcome of that processing  and is not an dul:event itself
21:36:46 <Pramod> just show a link from our ontology to 
21:36:54 <Pramod> the ontology on sutuational awareness
21:38:33 <kerryt> +q
21:38:50 <laurent_csiro> ack kerryt
21:40:28 <michael> +q
21:40:36 <laurent_csiro> ack michael
21:41:47 <laurent_csiro> Action: Michael to add information in SSN_Observation page
21:41:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Add information in SSN_Observation page [on Michael Compton - due 2010-12-22].
21:42:05 <Pramod> can we map two observation to a reference ontology?
21:43:07 <kerryt>  don't duplicate this to avoid risk of confusion
21:44:04 <laurent_csiro> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN
21:44:54 <laurent_csiro> Observation here records a Situation (the estimation of the value of a Property) and a description of the method that was used (along with the participants), while O&M interprets an Observation as the event itself; there must, however, have been an event that lead to our situation, so both are records of events. The distinction is between the event itself and the record of what happened in that 
21:44:54 <laurent_csiro> event. 
21:46:20 <laurent_csiro> Topic: Reviewer feedback 
21:50:29 <kerryt> +q
21:51:28 <laurent_csiro> reports from other XGs
21:51:30 <laurent_csiro> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/XGR-socialweb-20101206/
21:51:42 <laurent_csiro> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/XGR-prov-20101214/
21:58:48 <michael> I'm away from Tuesday lunch (our time)
22:01:35 <Zakim> -Payam
22:01:37 <Zakim> -Pramod
22:01:37 <Zakim> -Arthur
22:01:37 <kerryt> quit
22:01:39 <Zakim> -michael
22:01:59 <Zakim> -kerryt
22:07:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, laurent, in INC_SSN()4:00PM
22:07:03 <Zakim> INC_SSN()4:00PM has ended
22:07:05 <Zakim> Attendees were laurent, +61.4.097.8.aabb, Arthur, michael, kerryt, Pramod, Payam
22:11:31 <laurent_csiro> rrsagent, please draft minutes
22:11:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-ssn-minutes.html laurent_csiro
22:11:31 <laurent_csiro> rrsagent, make log public
22:14:20 <laurent_csiro> s/s.note//
22:14:25 <laurent_csiro> rrsagent, please draft minutes
22:14:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-ssn-minutes.html laurent_csiro
22:15:01 <laurent_csiro> s/sutuational/situational/
22:17:48 <laurent_csiro> rrsagent, please draft minutes
22:17:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-ssn-minutes.html laurent_csiro
22:18:40 <laurent_csiro> s/Mote/Note/
22:18:41 <laurent_csiro> rrsagent, please draft minutes
22:18:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-ssn-minutes.html laurent_csiro
22:19:22 <laurent_csiro> s/his kind of/this kind of/
22:19:24 <laurent_csiro> rrsagent, please draft minutes
22:19:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-ssn-minutes.html laurent_csiro
22:25:05 <laurent_csiro> s/Observation here records/The comment of the Observation class in the SSN ontology says: Observation here records/
22:25:08 <laurent_csiro> rrsagent, please draft minutes
22:25:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-ssn-minutes.html laurent_csiro
22:26:31 <laurent_csiro> rrsagent, please generate minutes
22:26:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-ssn-minutes.html laurent_csiro
22:27:48 <laurent_csiro> zakim, bye
22:27:48 <Zakim> Zakim has left #ssn
22:27:59 <laurent_csiro> rrsagent, bye
22:27:59 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-ssn-actions.rdf :
22:27:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to add information in SSN_Observation page [1]
22:27:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-ssn-irc#T21-41-47