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Internationalization Core Teleconference

15 Dec 2010

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
[Microsoft], gwyneth, +1.617.466.aaaa, kennyluck, freedom, Richard, +972.5.225.5aabb, matial, aphillip, +972.5.424.5aacc, aharon, +44.141.888.aadd, David, Norbert
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips

Contents


<r12a> hi addison

<r12a> trackbot can help with meeting setup

okay... shoot :-)

<r12a> by starting zakim and rrsagent automatically

<scribe> Scribe: Addison Phillips

<scribe> ScribeNick: aphillip

<r12a> see Starting a telecon at http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc

<r12a> it should be a big time saver :-)

Minutes and Agenda review

Action Items

http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions

Ask the Korean HTML5 Interest Group what should happen if "word-break: keep-all" is used with "word-wrap: break-all"

Change the language tags article to say that now there is an extension defined, and describe it briefly

set due date in Feburary

Check on HTML5 language tag validator and send any comments

Convey to Unicode desire to keep UTR#20 as a joint publication with identical versions

<scribe> done

Nudge everyone to ensure everyone review non-translate email by next week

Update review radar and ping www-international seeking comments

<kennyluck> close ACTION-6

<trackbot> ACTION-6 Convey to Unicode desire to keep UTR#20 as a joint publication with identical versions closed

Info Share

richard: report available........

<r12a> ACTION-4 due Feb 2 2011

<trackbot> ACTION-4 Change the language tags article to say that now there is an extension defined, and describe it briefly due date now Feb 2 2011

<r12a> http://www.multilingualweb.eu/en/documents/madrid-workshop/madrid-workshop-report

richard: the workshop report on multilingual web workshop

WOFF Review

<r12a> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010OctDec/0105.html

item [a]

language tag references. would prefer text on BCP 47

richard proposed: "A user agent displaying metadata is expected to choose a preferred language/locale to display from among those available, following matching algorithms in BCP 47 (currently RFC 4647)."

<kennyluck> aphillip: It's not the metadata of the font but rather the localized text for the license.

scribe: such as the Lookup algorithmn in BCP 47

norbert: might want to go beyond lookup..

<r12a> following a matching algorithm such as lookup in BCP 47

[b] Description of text elements

[c] Use of attributes for human readable text

we'd prefer them to use elements for localizable text instead of attributes (for dir and other markup)

[d] Localization mechanism too restricted

<David> yes

scribe: although I'd say "although you allow non-ASCII..."

[e] Paragraphs and inline content

provide paragraph and span elements in description and other textual elements

aharon: should bdi also be allowed?

<aharon> ok, no bdi

[f] Direction attributes needed

[g] OpenType feature preservation

[xml:lang] issue

richard will raise issues this evening

scribe: if you have a description element
... can contain multiple "text" elements
... each of which has a separate @lang attribute

richard: first, why not xml:lang?
... however, I think this is similar to widget spec
... better not to use xml:lang in those cases

<aharon> I have a tight time limit. I will need to get off in 8 minutes.

<scribe> chair: any objections?

WG endorses comments

HTML and Bidi

aharon: sent some messages to WG list

<r12a> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17nb3wlYkIG9MNtL1mlXVPOVe4QwyApiHRYim3nTi5CE/edit?hl=en#

aharon: saying that good news is that most proposals (nearly all) were accepted
... some with modifications
... so going well
... have online document that summarizes proposals
... and status
... next step is to close the bugs that are satisfied
... or don't need further work
... if there are bugs that we are unsatisfied with
... then we need to re-raise

<scribe> ACTION: aharon to publish list of bugs with status closed and then a separate list with bugs that there is potential working group objection for review at next meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Publish list of bugs with status closed and then a separate list with bugs that there is potential working group objection for review at next meeting [on Aharon Lanin - due 2010-12-22].

richard: put info in google doc into our Note document?
... and then "this is what happened"

aharon: agree, but want to wait for closure
... may need a note to browser makers about things that couldn't go into HTML or CSS but which they should be aware of
... canoical example is scrollbar location
... another document or mod to existing is recommendations for how to do bidi using the new markup

richard: put into existing tutorial?

addison: also nice to have a good short summary published

UTR #20 status report

lang vs. xml:lang

richard: this is a potential difference between xml:lang and "here is some localized content"

und-DE

market=001

market=419 lang=es

lang=es-419

lang then xs:language

<p xml:lang="en"?

<text lang="es-419"><p xml:lang="en">...</p><p>...</p></text>

<text market="419" lang="es-419">

AOB?

richard: on holiday through 10 january
... get agenda out early

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: aharon to publish list of bugs with status closed and then a separate list with bugs that there is potential working group objection for review at next meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
 
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