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14:52:43 <aphillip> zakim, this will be I18N
14:52:44 <Zakim> "I18N" matches I18N_WG(MLW)10:00AM, and I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM, aphillip
14:52:54 <r12a> hi addison
14:52:58 <aphillip> zakim, this will be I18N_Core
14:52:58 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
14:53:05 <r12a> trackbot can help with meeting setup
14:53:23 <aphillip> okay... shoot :-)
14:53:23 <r12a> by starting zakim and rrsagent automatically
14:53:41 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
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14:54:01 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.617.466.aaaa
14:54:07 <aphillip> Meeting: Internationalization Core Teleconference
14:54:11 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010Dec/0010.html
14:54:16 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:54:20 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:54:24 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:54:33 <aphillip> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
14:54:41 <aphillip> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:54:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:54:51 <r12a> see Starting a telecon at http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
14:55:10 <aphillip> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
14:55:15 <r12a> it should be a big time saver :-)
14:55:19 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:55:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:56:41 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
14:56:48 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:58:20 <Zakim> + +1.617.466.aaaa
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14:59:57 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
14:59:57 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:59:59 <Zakim> +Richard
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15:03:09 <r12a> zakim, who's making noise ?
15:03:19 <aharon> zakim, mute me
15:03:34 <Zakim> sorry, aharon, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:03:36 <Zakim> r12a, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: kennyluck (34%), +972.5.424.5aacc (98%)
15:03:45 <r12a> zakim, mute aharon
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15:03:54 <aphillip> zakim, +972 is aharon
15:03:58 <Zakim> sorry, r12a, I do not know which phone connection belongs to aharon
15:04:01 <r12a> zakim, mute aharon
15:04:10 <aharon> zakim, mute me
15:04:12 <Zakim> +aharon; got it
15:04:14 <Zakim> aharon should now be muted
15:04:20 <Zakim> aharon was already muted, aharon
15:04:33 <aphillip> Topic: Minutes and Agenda review
15:04:37 <Zakim> + +44.141.888.aadd
15:04:52 <David> zakim, +44 is David
15:05:02 <Zakim> +David; got it
15:05:05 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:05:12 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions
15:05:39 <aphillip> Ask the Korean HTML5 Interest Group what should happen if "word-break: keep-all" is used with "word-wrap: break-all"
15:05:58 <aphillip> Change the language tags article to say that now there is an extension defined, and describe it briefly
15:06:06 <aphillip> set due date in Feburary
15:06:34 <aphillip> Check on HTML5 language tag validator and send any comments
15:06:50 <aphillip> 	Convey to Unicode desire to keep UTR#20 as a joint publication with identical versions
15:06:55 <aphillip> done
15:07:07 <aphillip> Nudge everyone to ensure everyone review non-translate email by next week
15:07:24 <aphillip> Update review radar and ping www-international seeking comments
15:07:34 <kennyluck> close ACTION-6
15:07:34 <trackbot> ACTION-6 Convey to Unicode desire to keep UTR#20 as a joint publication with identical versions closed
15:07:36 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:08:13 <David> zakim, mute me
15:08:13 <Zakim> David should now be muted
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15:08:59 <aphillip> richard: report available........
15:09:05 <r12a> ACTION-4 due Feb 2 2011
15:09:06 <trackbot> ACTION-4 Change the language tags article to say that now there is an extension defined, and describe it briefly due date now Feb 2 2011
15:09:21 <r12a> http://www.multilingualweb.eu/en/documents/madrid-workshop/madrid-workshop-report
15:09:25 <Zakim> +??P1
15:09:39 <aphillip> ... the workshop report on multilingual web workshop
15:10:41 <aphillip> Topic: WOFF Review
15:11:19 <r12a> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010OctDec/0105.html
15:11:56 <aphillip> item [a]
15:12:21 <aphillip> language tag references. would prefer text on BCP 47
15:15:24 <aphillip> richard proposed: "A user agent displaying metadata is expected to choose a preferred language/locale to display from among those available, following matching algorithms in BCP 47 (currently RFC 4647)."
15:15:30 <kennyluck> aphillip: It's not the metadata of the font but rather the localized text for the license.
15:18:20 <aphillip> ... such as the Lookup algorithmn in BCP 47
15:18:50 <aphillip> norbert: might want to go beyond lookup..
15:19:05 <r12a> following a matching algorithm such as lookup in BCP 47
15:19:17 <aphillip> [b] Description of text elements
15:19:34 <aphillip> [c] Use of attributes for human readable text
15:21:43 <aphillip> we'd prefer them to use elements for localizable text instead of attributes (for dir and other markup)
15:22:27 <aphillip> [d] Localization mechanism too restricted
15:22:34 <David> yes
15:24:11 <aphillip> ... although I'd say "although you allow non-ASCII..."
15:25:00 <aphillip> [e] Paragraphs and inline content
15:27:09 <aphillip> provide paragraph and span elements in description and other textual elements
15:27:34 <aharon> zakim, unmute me
15:27:34 <Zakim> aharon should no longer be muted
15:27:48 <aphillip> aharon: should bdi also be allowed?
15:27:50 <aharon> zakim, mute me
15:27:50 <Zakim> aharon should now be muted
15:28:28 <aharon> ok, no bdi
15:28:47 <aphillip> [f] Direction attributes needed
15:30:18 <aphillip> [g] OpenType feature preservation
15:30:29 <David> zakim, unmute me
15:30:29 <Zakim> David should no longer be muted
15:31:58 <aphillip> [xml:lang] issue
15:32:12 <aphillip> richard will raise issues this evening
15:32:30 <aphillip> ... if you have a description element
15:32:41 <aphillip> ... can contain multiple "text" elements
15:32:55 <aphillip> ... each of which has a separate @lang attribute
15:33:10 <aphillip> richard: first, why not xml:lang?
15:33:29 <aphillip> ... however, I think this is similar to widget spec
15:33:38 <aphillip> ... better not to use xml:lang in those cases
15:37:24 <aharon> I have a tight time limit. I will need to get off in 8 minutes.
15:38:27 <aphillip> chair: any objections?
15:38:41 <aharon> zakim, unmute me
15:38:41 <Zakim> aharon should no longer be muted
15:38:41 <aphillip> WG endorses comments
15:38:49 <aphillip> Topic: HTML and Bidi
15:39:06 <aphillip> aharon: sent some messages to WG list
15:39:13 <r12a> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17nb3wlYkIG9MNtL1mlXVPOVe4QwyApiHRYim3nTi5CE/edit?hl=en#
15:39:17 <aphillip> ... saying that good news is that most proposals (nearly all) were accepted
15:39:23 <aphillip> .. some with modifications
15:39:30 <aphillip> ... so going well
15:39:42 <aphillip> aharon: have online document that summarizes proposals
15:39:44 <aphillip> ... and status
15:39:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:40:28 <aphillip> aharon: next step is to close the bugs that are satisfied
15:40:34 <aphillip> ... or don't need further work
15:40:43 <aphillip> ... if there are bugs that we are unsatisfied with
15:40:51 <aphillip> ... then we need to re-raise
15:43:19 <aphillip> action: aharon to publish list of bugs with status closed and then a separate list with bugs that there is potential working group objection for review at next meeting
15:43:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Publish list of bugs with status closed and then a separate list with bugs that there is potential working group objection for review at next meeting [on Aharon Lanin - due 2010-12-22].
15:44:12 <aphillip> richard: put info in google doc into our Note document?
15:44:22 <aphillip> ... and then "this is what happened"
15:44:30 <aphillip> aharon: agree, but want to wait for closure
15:44:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:45:16 <aphillip> aharon: may need a note to browser makers about things that couldn't go into HTML or CSS but which they should be aware of
15:45:25 <aphillip> ... canoical example is scrollbar location
15:45:50 <aphillip> aharon: another document or mod to existing is recommendations for how to do bidi using the new markup
15:46:05 <aphillip> richard: put into existing tutorial?
15:46:28 <aphillip> addison: also nice to have a good short summary published
15:46:57 <Zakim> -aharon
15:47:28 <aphillip> Topic: UTR #20 status report
15:48:54 <aphillip> Topic: lang vs. xml:lang
15:49:35 <aphillip> richard: this is a potential difference between xml:lang and "here is some localized content"
15:49:52 <Zakim> -David
15:50:58 <Zakim> +David
15:54:10 <aphillip> und-DE
15:56:18 <aphillip> market=001
15:56:33 <aphillip> market=419 lang=es
15:56:58 <aphillip> lang=es-419
15:57:23 <aphillip> lang then xs:language
15:58:41 <aphillip> <p xml:lang="en"?
15:59:28 <aphillip> <text lang="es-419"><p xml:lang="en">...</p><p>...</p></text>
16:00:23 <aphillip> <text market="419" lang="es-419">
16:03:35 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:04:01 <aphillip> richard: on holiday through 7 january
16:04:18 <aphillip> ... get agenda out early
16:04:24 <r12a> s/7 january/10 january/
16:04:39 <Zakim> -gwyneth
16:04:41 <Zakim> -David
16:04:43 <Zakim> -aphillip
16:04:45 <Zakim> -Norbert
16:04:45 <Zakim> -kennyluck
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16:04:46 <Zakim> -freedom
16:04:48 <Zakim> -Richard
16:04:49 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
16:04:50 <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], gwyneth, +1.617.466.aaaa, kennyluck, freedom, Richard, +972.5.225.5aabb, matial, aphillip, +972.5.424.5aacc, aharon, +44.141.888.aadd, David, Norbert
16:05:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:05:06 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:05:06 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
16:05:13 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:05:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:05:18 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:05:18 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:05:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: aharon to publish list of bugs with status closed and then a separate list with bugs that there is potential working group objection for review at next meeting [1]
16:05:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-i18n-irc#T15-43-19