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21:56:36 <janina> zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(A11Y)
21:56:36 <Zakim> ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(A11Y)5:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
21:56:48 <janina> zakim, call janina
21:56:48 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
21:56:49 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(A11Y)5:00PM has now started
21:56:50 <Zakim> +Janina
21:57:25 <janina> zakim, make log public
21:57:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make log public', janina
21:57:50 <janina> rrsagent, make log public
21:57:59 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
21:57:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-html-a11y-minutes.html janina
21:58:20 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
21:58:20 <janina> Chair:  Janina_Sajka
21:58:20 <janina> agenda: this
21:58:20 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe
21:58:20 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
21:58:21 <janina> agenda+ Candidate Formats Report http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/TextFormat_Pros_Cons_Overview#Summary_o
21:58:23 <janina> agenda+ Media Queries on Track http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Dec/0145.html
21:58:25 <janina> agenda+ Strategy for Synchronizing binary alternative media
21:58:27 <janina> agenda+ Emerging Related Working Groups
21:58:29 <janina> agenda+ Poster Issue http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Dec/0054.html
21:58:30 <janina> agenda+ Other Business?
21:58:33 <janina> agenda+ be done--Adjourn to 5 January 2011
21:58:41 <janina>  rrsagent, do not start a new log
21:58:56 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
21:58:56 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from janina]
22:02:06 <Zakim> + +1.510.367.aaaa
22:02:36 <Zakim> + +1.650.862.aabb
22:03:08 <janina> zakim, +1.650.862.aabb is John_Foliot
22:03:08 <Zakim> +John_Foliot; got it
22:03:31 <janina> zakim, +1.510.367.aaaa is Eric_Carlson
22:03:31 <Zakim> +Eric_Carlson; got it
22:05:52 <Zakim> +Judy
22:06:10 <JF> JF has joined #html-a11y
22:06:28 <JF> hello
22:07:13 <janina> scribe: John_Foliot
22:07:14 <JF> scribe: JF
22:07:44 <janina> zakim, next item
22:07:44 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
22:08:31 <JF> JS: the one issue we have is assigned to Sean, who is regrets this week
22:08:31 <janina> regrets: Sean_Hayes
22:08:43 <Judy> Judy has joined #html-a11y
22:08:48 <Judy> zakim, who's here?
22:08:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Janina, Eric_Carlson, John_Foliot, Judy
22:08:48 <janina> regrets+ Geoff_Freed
22:08:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see Judy, JF, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, silvia, MikeSmith, trackbot, sideshow
22:09:12 <janina> zakim, next item
22:09:12 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Candidate Formats Report http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/TextFormat_Pros_Cons_Overview#Summary_o" taken up [from janina]
22:09:38 <JF> JS: Silvia is very concerned about the language - is politically loaded
22:09:47 <JF> this is/was not our intent
22:10:06 <JF> would like to give her the opportunity to tweak the language before we forward that document
22:10:33 <JF> JB: suggests that "at an early stage" is not as prejudicial as immature
22:11:40 <JF> [looking to see if Silvia is able to join us today]
22:13:13 <JF> JS: suggesting to set this aside for now
22:14:28 <JF> Sean said that Frank would have attend last week's call - no issue. Geoff was happy with the document, but silvia had significant issues and we want to ensure that those issues are/were addressed
22:15:04 <JF> EC: impression was that the wording in the TTML section was political (+ the reference to immature for WebSRT)
22:15:27 <JF> JB: it would be a shame after all this work to not have a good result as we close to the end
22:16:08 <JF> JB: we should take a try at addressing those concerns, and then give Silvia a time-period to comment or equiv.
22:16:39 <Judy> s/time-period/24-hour time-period/
22:23:17 <JF> JB: it has been noted that we have looked at issues thta have strayed from 'pure' accessibility issues
22:23:30 <JF> and that this seems to be the issue here
22:25:45 <JF> JS: agrees that dropping lack of endorsement as a criteria, believe that Adoption and w3C standard are factual and non-political. Change immature to still under development
22:25:49 <janina> Yeah, Silvia!
22:26:23 <JF> JB: sorting out our own understanding on language issues, then focus in to ensure we have agreement
22:26:34 <Zakim> + +61.2.801.2.aacc
22:26:39 <silvia> zakim, aacc is me
22:26:39 <Zakim> +silvia; got it
22:29:59 <JF> SP: basid issues is that most of the arguments are not technical but political
22:30:00 <Judy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Dec/0110.html
22:31:11 <JF> SP: concern is that it dilutes the technical issues 
22:31:13 <JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/TextFormat_Pros_Cons_Overview
22:31:50 <JF> JB: it is important that we use neutral wording
22:32:06 <JF> we should apply an 'objectivity' filter
22:43:42 <JF> [collectively working on edits to the Pros/cons document]
22:45:03 <JF> JB: perhaps the labeling is what is giving us the troubles: Pros and Cons
22:53:31 <JF> Presentation Profile of TTML http://www.w3.org/ns/ttml/profile/dfxp-presentation
22:54:16 <JF> reference to Basic Profile however this is no actual "Basic" profile - would like a link and use the proper name
22:57:43 <JF> SP: I have looked at the profiles in TTML
22:58:12 <JF> Transformation Profile is not fully supporting our needs
22:58:53 <Zakim> -Eric_Carlson
22:58:54 <Zakim> +Eric_Carlson
23:00:12 <JF> JB: would like to suggest some labeling ideas
23:01:45 <JF> for Con change to Work Needed
23:05:16 <JF> discussion of labelling
23:09:28 <JF> [the members of the call have been suggesting minor edits to the document, which is being edited in real time and the reveiwed]
23:15:13 <silvia> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/TextFormat_Comparison_Overview <- new doc
23:22:15 <JF> JB: 2 final questions on the editing process we've undergone?
23:22:29 <JF> 1) are there any other squarepegs we've missed
23:22:54 <JF> 2) for those who were unable to join us, can we get a 24 hour window for them to respond to these edits?
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23:27:22 <janina> zakim, next item
23:27:22 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Media Queries on Track http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Dec/0145.html" taken up [from janina]
23:27:31 <JF> RESOLUTOIN: ask the missing participants to comment by Friday Dec. 17th noon Boston. If no controversy then post, else finalresolution via the mailing list.
23:28:37 <JF> RESOLUTION: ask the missing participants to comment by Friday Dec. 17th noon Boston. If no controversy then post, else finalresolution via the mailing list.
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23:36:07 <Zakim> -Eric_Carlson
23:36:10 <Zakim> -Judy
23:36:12 <Zakim> -silvia
23:36:26 <JF> zakim,  bye
23:36:26 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Janina, John_Foliot, Eric_Carlson, Judy, +61.2.801.2.aacc, silvia
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23:36:38 <JF> rssagent, make minutes
23:37:01 <JF> rrsagent, make minutes
23:37:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/15-html-a11y-minutes.html JF