16:49:25 RRSAgent has joined #htmlspeech 16:49:25 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/12/09-htmlspeech-irc 16:49:31 Zakim has joined #htmlspeech 16:49:40 zakim, this will be htmlspeech 16:49:40 ok, burn; I see INC_(HTMLSPEECH)12:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes 16:50:19 zakim, code? 16:50:19 the conference code is 48657 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), burn 16:51:57 INC_(HTMLSPEECH)12:00PM has now started 16:52:04 +Michael_Bodell 16:52:20 mbodell has joined #htmlspeech 16:53:36 +[IPcaller] 16:54:09 -[IPcaller] 16:54:48 smaug_ has joined #htmlspeech 16:55:33 +[Microsoft] 16:55:58 +[IPcaller] 16:56:10 Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay 16:56:10 +Olli_Pettay; got it 16:56:22 Robert has joined #htmlspeech 16:57:49 +Dan_Burnett 16:58:53 zakim, [Microsoft] is Robert_Brown 16:58:53 +Robert_Brown; got it 16:59:11 zakim, nick smaug_ is Olli_Pettay 16:59:11 ok, burn, I now associate smaug_ with Olli_Pettay 16:59:20 zakim, i am Dan_Burnett 16:59:20 ok, burn, I now associate you with Dan_Burnett 16:59:31 zakim, nick Robert is Robert_Brown 16:59:31 ok, burn, I now associate Robert with Robert_Brown 16:59:32 +Milan_Young 16:59:58 zakim, nick mbodell is Michael_Bodell 16:59:58 ok, burn, I now associate mbodell with Michael_Bodell 17:00:31 zakim, who is noisy? 17:00:32 -Robert_Brown 17:00:40 Milan has joined #htmlspeech 17:00:41 burn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 4 (46%), Dan_Burnett (27%), Milan_Young (78%) 17:00:54 zakim, nick Milan is Milan_Young 17:00:54 ok, burn, I now associate Milan with Milan_Young 17:01:03 trackbot, start telcon 17:01:05 RRSAgent, make logs public 17:01:07 Zakim, this will be 17:01:07 I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 17:01:08 Meeting: HTML Speech Incubator Group Teleconference 17:01:08 Date: 09 December 2010 17:01:11 +Debbie_Dahl 17:01:43 Chair: Dan Burnett 17:01:46 ddahl has joined #htmlspeech 17:01:57 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0069.html 17:02:21 +Dan_Druta 17:03:37 +Satish_Sampath 17:04:24 satish has joined #htmlspeech 17:04:36 DanD has joined #htmlspeech 17:04:45 zakim, nick satish is Satish_Sampath 17:04:47 ok, burn, I now associate satish with Satish_Sampath 17:04:55 zakim, nick DanD is Dan_Druta 17:04:55 ok, burn, I now associate DanD with Dan_Druta 17:05:12 Scribe: Dan_Druta 17:05:19 ScribeNick: DanD 17:06:21 +[Microsoft] 17:07:22 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0069.html 17:07:49 Topic: Minutes from last call 17:09:08 burn: There were some issues with the minutes 17:09:23 mbodell: I think I captured them 17:09:47 Dan's followup email about the minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0071.html 17:10:02 zakim, who is noisy? 17:10:08 -[Microsoft] 17:10:14 burn: No need to update the minutes 17:10:14 ddahl, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Dan_Burnett (7%), [Microsoft] (15%) 17:10:30 Topic: new version of the req draft 17:10:37 Draft is: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/live/draft-20101209-requirements.html 17:10:50 +[Microsoft] 17:11:17 burn: No issues with the requirements draft 17:11:52 Topic: R34 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0064.html 17:12:48 mbodell: Threre is consensus 17:12:58 mbodell: drop R34 17:13:06 zakim, [Microsoft] is Robert_Brown 17:13:06 +Robert_Brown; got it 17:13:19 nick Robert is Robert_Brown 17:13:24 Topic: R32 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0067.html 17:13:43 mbodell: consesnus to keep it 17:14:20 Topic: R19 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0068.html 17:14:35 mbodell - Consensus to drop - out of scope 17:15:01 Topic: R11 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0065.html 17:16:22 Dan proposes (instead of Bjorn's wording): "The User Agent and protocol must not prevent web applications from integrating input from multiple modalities." 17:16:22 burn: New wording proposed 17:16:38 s/Dan proposes/DanB proposes/ 17:17:26 ddahl: concern includes the API in the protocol 17:18:56 possible adjustment to: "Web applications must not be prevented from integrating input from multiple modalities" 17:19:05 agreement/disagreement? 17:19:46 zakim, who is here? 17:19:46 On the phone I see Michael_Bodell, Olli_Pettay, Dan_Burnett, Milan_Young, Debbie_Dahl, Dan_Druta, Satish_Sampath, Robert_Brown 17:19:48 On IRC I see DanD, satish, ddahl, Milan, Robert, smaug_, mbodell, Zakim, RRSAgent, burn, trackbot 17:19:50 -Satish_Sampath 17:20:02 ddahl: OK with the wording 17:20:09 I got dropped, having difficulty joining in.. will keep trying. 17:20:33 burn: we got consensus on the wording 17:21:08 Topic: R09 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0060.html 17:21:35 mbodell: There are a few comments 17:21:54 bjorn's proposed requirements: 1. The web app should be notified when TTS playback starts. 17:22:05 2. The web app should be notified when TTS playback finishes. 17:22:19 3. The web app should be notified when the audio corresponding to a TTS element is played back. 17:22:56 burn: I agree with the 3 proposed requirements 17:23:11 ddahl: we can always add later 17:23:13 olli also agrees and notes that we might want to add more later 17:23:14 +Satish_Sampath 17:23:26 Robert: Agreed 17:24:12 burn: on the long email we need to decide how to wording 17:24:22 zakim, nick Satish is Satish_Sampath 17:24:22 ok, burn, I now associate satish with Satish_Sampath 17:25:19 burn: if you look at SSML 1.1 it will be nice to receive a notification 17:26:05 burn: the decision we got so far should be sufficient if we agree and we can add later 17:26:36 ddahl: if we look at less used events we can spend a lot of time 17:27:05 burn: no disagreements 17:27:36 Topic: R13 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0066.html 17:28:03 mbodell: there was quite a conversation about this one 17:28:38 burn: we can't know all the security threats are going to be 17:29:04 bringert has joined #htmlspeech 17:29:27 trying to join, getting "all circuits are busy now" 17:30:02 -Satish_Sampath 17:30:40 trying french number 17:31:21 DanD: want to separate notification from communication 17:31:31 +Bjorn_Bringert 17:31:51 french number worked 17:31:52 ddahl: does communication mean http/html? 17:32:09 zakim, nick bringert is Bjorn_Bringert 17:32:09 ok, burn, I now associate bringert with Bjorn_Bringert 17:33:23 bringert: customization is great but can have security problems 17:33:24 bringert: we pretty much agreed but it's hard to word it 17:34:56 ddahl: would it be possible to relate to other requirements? 17:35:08 +Satish_Sampath 17:35:48 bringert: we should allow customisation unless it violates other requirements in this requirements 17:36:10 burn: unless it violates other requirements in this doc 17:36:39 ddahl: than we need to make it clear what req 17:37:26 ddahl: we get into maintenance problems 17:38:38 bringert: typing the wording for review 17:38:51 security requirements: 10, 16, 17, and 18 17:40:07 burn: we can be specific and miss or be vague and open 17:40:53 michael: we should be specific about what we know now and include a clause that covers the future 17:41:21 "Web apps should be able to customize all aspects of the user interface for speech recognition, except where such customizations conflict with security and privacy requirements in this document, or where they cause other security or privacy problems." 17:42:26 ddahl: we create a spec and it gets implemented and a security problem comes up. Are we not compliant? 17:43:44 can/should we list which are the "security and privacy requirements in this document". I think 10, 16, 17, and 18 but do others agree or notice others? 17:45:05 FPR1 17:45:13 dand: we should be specific where it's clear and leave an open window for unknown 17:45:47 bringert: Michael already listed the requirements 17:46:18 maybe FPR20 17:46:29 "The spec should not unnecessarily restrict the UA's choice in privacy policy." 17:47:46 bringert: 1, 10, 17, 17, 18 and 20 apply 17:47:56 so our list to date is 1, 10, 16, 17, 18, and 20 17:48:07 s/17, 17,/16, 17,/ 17:49:04 mbodell: we should use the statement with the list of requirements 17:49:19 mbodell: we got consensus on that 17:49:43 Topic: R23 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0038.html 17:50:39 bringert: Hard to follow all the comments in the email 17:51:12 bringert: we should continue and ask if there's an actual requirement 17:52:24 bringert: We tend to agree that we can do with the API's for multimodal apps 17:54:59 mbodell: Our current req in the doc and the existing API's are sufficient 17:55:01 I think the agreement is that our current requirements for Speech XG + existing html is sufficient to do multimodal applications 17:55:15 and that closes r23 17:57:37 Topic: UA/SS - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0062.html 17:58:56 mbodell: this is getting a little bit away from requirements 17:59:12 bringert: it is valuable to discuss 18:00:38 Milan: As long as it's possible for the web app to talk with the speech service we shoud be fine 18:01:18 Robert: we need to get back on topic - Standard protocol 18:01:53 mbodell: we have requirements to address this 18:02:29 bringert has joined #htmlspeech 18:03:11 bringert: one standard protocol was required if we go thru the browser 18:03:48 Robert: how do evaluate Satish's proposal 18:05:10 Milan: if we can't access the audio and we have to do it thru the browser we need a common protocol 18:06:03 mbodell: we should not drop any requirements, evaluate the email conversation and determine if we need additional req 18:11:19 Milan: They should work consistently in all browsers 18:11:44 -Satish_Sampath 18:14:47 mbodell: we already have a lot of req that we need to go back to 18:15:15 Milan: Can we have an update on the audio standards? 18:17:06 bringert: DAP is in early phases and we shoudl provide input to them 18:17:35 DAP is not Device API 18:18:16 smaug_, please explain 18:19:07 burn: there are several streaming protocols 18:19:28 there is a Media Capture spec published by the W3C DAP group that we might want to look at http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/ 18:20:41 Milan: how time sensitive is this? 18:20:53 smaug_, so you mean that the work of the W3C Device API WG (group name called "DAP") is not the same as the Device API work in the WHATWG 18:22:19 bringert: we should start working with other groups and experiment 18:23:01 Robert: we need to determine what are our audio requirements 18:24:59 bringert: it should be web app to speech service requirement 18:25:13 there's also a Media Capture API http://www.w3.org/TR/media-capture-api/, I'm not sure what the relationship is 18:25:13 mbodell: this is in conflict with other req 18:26:15 Milan: let's modify Robert's req about the codec 18:26:27 s/other req/requirements FPR30 and FPR31/ 18:27:23 mbodell: are there any req missing? 18:27:56 mbodell: are there any req that we havent talked and agreed on 18:28:24 burn: this week we need to close in any additional req 18:28:58 burn: Req 12 is agreed on 18:29:13 burn: based on lack of comments in email 18:29:37 mbodell: there was an action for me 18:30:12 burn: there was a request to write text to those requirements that don't have any description 18:31:18 mbodell: I'm a little bit nervous about writing text other than what was agreed in minutes and email 18:32:33 burn: I agree with Michael to be concerned about the wording 18:33:26 burn: the next step is to get in more detail and come with proposals 18:33:46 burn: wording might change 18:34:22 mbodell: some are self explanatory 18:34:48 mbodell: description should come part of the prioritazation 18:35:12 burn: if there are any missing req send them until next week 18:35:32 -Robert_Brown 18:35:42 bringert: can we have a clean version of the requirements? 18:36:46 burn: Michael will clean up 18:36:53 -Olli_Pettay 18:36:54 -Milan_Young 18:36:54 -Debbie_Dahl 18:36:56 -Bjorn_Bringert 18:36:56 -Michael_Bodell 18:37:00 -Dan_Burnett 18:37:04 bringert has left #htmlspeech 18:42:00 disconnecting the lone participant, Dan_Druta, in INC_(HTMLSPEECH)12:00PM 18:42:03 INC_(HTMLSPEECH)12:00PM has ended 18:42:07 Attendees were Michael_Bodell, Olli_Pettay, Dan_Burnett, Robert_Brown, Milan_Young, Debbie_Dahl, Dan_Druta, Satish_Sampath, Bjorn_Bringert 18:55:50 zakim, bye 18:55:50 Zakim has left #htmlspeech 18:55:57 rrsagent, make log public 18:56:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 18:56:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/09-htmlspeech-minutes.html burn