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09:59:09 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
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09:59:10 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
09:59:10 <trackbot> Date: 08 December 2010
10:00:13 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Dec/0010.html
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10:03:21 <Zakim> +Erik
10:03:52 <Zakim> +Raphael
10:04:14 <raphael> Regrets: Silvia
10:04:26 <Zakim> +Yves
10:04:37 <raphael> Present: Erik, Davy, Raphael, Yves, foolip (irc) 
10:05:53 <raphael> Chair: Erik, Raphael
10:06:18 <raphael> Scribe: Davy
10:06:21 <raphael> scribenick: davy
10:07:17 <davy> TOPIC: ADMIN
10:07:27 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-mediafrag-minutes.html
10:07:34 <davy> +1
10:07:37 <raphael> +1
10:07:40 <Yves> +1
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10:07:46 <davy> minutes accepted
10:07:57 <davy> TOPIC: MEDIA FRAGMENT SPECIFICATION
10:08:38 <davy> raphael: action 199 and 200 will be finished today
10:08:54 <davy> .. related to issue-19
10:09:43 <davy> .. mail will be sent out today
10:09:55 <davy> Action-191?
10:09:55 <trackbot> ACTION-191 -- Yves Lafon to update the production rules of the time dimension with the npt format for making the hours optional -- due 2010-11-08 -- OPEN
10:09:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/191
10:10:24 <davy> Yves: did the code, I'm working on the spec right now
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10:11:44 <davy_> TOPIC: HTML5 BUG
10:11:48 <raphael> ACTION-202?
10:11:48 <trackbot> ACTION-202 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to draft the paragraph that the group will propose to HTML5 regarding how the control of media fragment URI should be done -- due 2010-12-01 -- OPEN
10:11:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/202
10:12:10 <raphael> See text at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Dec/0009.html
10:12:37 <raphael> Raphael: do you have comments on this text?
10:13:42 <raphael> ... my only comment is whether we should further detail how temporal media fragments can work, with our without server help
10:13:46 <raphael> .. depending on the container format
10:14:00 <raphael> ... should we go into this level of details
10:16:06 <davy_> raphael: when no controls are specified in <video>
10:16:16 <davy_> ... the rendering is like the ?-approach
10:18:17 <davy_> raphael: is the text of silvia sufficient?
10:18:28 <davy_> ... and reopen the bug with this text
10:18:42 <davy_> Yves: nothing against it
10:19:27 <davy_> close action-202
10:19:27 <trackbot> ACTION-202 Draft the paragraph that the group will propose to HTML5 regarding how the control of media fragment URI should be done closed
10:20:08 <davy_> action: silvia to send the MF clarification text to the HTML mailinglist
10:20:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-205 - Send the MF clarification text to the HTML mailinglist [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2010-12-15].
10:20:32 <raphael> Raphael: both whatwh and w3c mailing lists
10:20:32 <davy_> action: troncy to reopen the MF bug in the HTML5 bug tracker
10:20:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-206 - Reopen the MF bug in the HTML5 bug tracker [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-12-15].
10:21:02 <davy_> TOPIC: LC COMMENTS
10:21:19 <davy_> raphael: action 196 will be done today
10:21:32 <davy_> TOPIC: OPEN ISSUES
10:21:48 <davy_> close action-191
10:21:48 <trackbot> ACTION-191 Update the production rules of the time dimension with the npt format for making the hours optional closed
10:21:51 <raphael> List of open issues: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/open
10:21:52 <Yves> done
10:22:16 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/open
10:22:56 <davy_> raphael: Issue-19 is taken care of
10:23:26 <davy_> raphael: difference between issue-13 and 20?
10:24:59 <davy_> no difference -> close issue 13
10:25:03 <davy_> close ISSUE-13
10:25:03 <trackbot> ISSUE-13 Write a IETF draft for proposing how to register the fragment scheme for all media types closed
10:25:20 <davy_> issue-18?
10:25:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-18 -- RTSP processing of Media Fragments URI -- open
10:25:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/18
10:25:33 <davy_> raphael: should we include this in the spec or not?
10:25:52 <davy_> yves: if we do that, we probably need another LC
10:26:37 <davy_> raphael: alternative could be putting this into an annex
10:26:42 <davy_> ... informative status
10:27:29 <davy_> Yves: better would be in another document (a note)
10:28:42 <davy_> action: troncy to setup a poll regarding the fact that RTSP will be discussed in a separate note
10:28:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-207 - Setup a poll regarding the fact that RTSP will be discussed in a separate note [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-12-15].
10:28:58 <davy_> Issue-17?
10:28:58 <trackbot> ISSUE-17 -- Media Fragment track names and IRIs -- open
10:28:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/17
10:30:02 <davy_> Yves: or we close it because we don't know how to handle IRIs
10:30:09 <davy_> ... or we continue discussions
10:32:17 <raphael> reading the thread starting at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/0149.html
10:33:28 <davy_> raphael: I18N recommends us to use IRI as reference
10:34:51 <raphael> Key message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010AprJun/0153.html
10:36:04 <davy_> action: troncy to ask today who will make it to the teleconf next week
10:36:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-208 - Ask today who will make it to the teleconf next week [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-12-15].
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10:38:51 <davy_> close action-208
10:38:51 <trackbot> ACTION-208 Ask today who will make it to the teleconf next week closed
10:39:21 <raphael> Raphael: both Erik and Davy cannot make next week telecon
10:39:36 <davy_> raphael: we will organize early in January a teleconf with everybody, joined by Addison Philips
10:39:56 <davy_> Issue-10?
10:39:56 <trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Media Fragments Test Case Maintenance -- open
10:39:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/10
10:40:02 <davy_> raphael: related to test cases
10:40:08 <davy_> issue-9?
10:40:08 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- Should we have the media type inside the Test Cases? -- open
10:40:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/9
10:40:32 <davy_> raphael: also related to test cases, we can ignore them for transitioning
10:40:39 <davy_> TOPIC: TEST CASES
10:40:58 <davy_> Action-167?
10:40:58 <trackbot> ACTION-167 -- Erik Mannens to find licence free movies for the automatic test suite ... starting with Elephant Dreams and the creative commons -- due 2010-06-02 -- OPEN
10:40:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/167
10:41:40 <davy_> raphael: fine to use elephants dream and big bug bunny sequences
10:43:02 <davy_> ... so we can use these media resources in our demos and examples in the spec
10:43:08 <raphael> Movies to use:
10:43:12 <raphael> Sintel, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7KhViaVqc
10:43:19 <raphael> ... longer version, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ
10:43:28 <raphael> Big Bunny, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk
10:43:34 <raphael> The Elephant Dreams
10:43:39 <davy_> close action-167
10:43:39 <trackbot> ACTION-167 Find licence free movies for the automatic test suite ... starting with Elephant Dreams and the creative commons closed
10:43:53 <davy_> action-168?
10:43:53 <trackbot> ACTION-168 -- Davy Van Deursen to investigate how the automatic test suite could also be done for evaluating the UA behavior -- due 2010-06-02 -- OPEN
10:43:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/168
10:43:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:47:37 <davy_> TOPIC: AOB
10:51:07 <raphael> Raphael: presentation of test cases handling by Davy during the face to face meeting, http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/meetings/2010-11-01-f2f_lyon/
10:51:47 <raphael> Raphael: we have an exhaustive list of test cases for the time dimension on the wiki
10:52:00 <raphael> ... which has been reviewed by Conrad, Silvia, Jack and Philip
10:52:39 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension
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10:53:21 <raphael> Davy: I'm happy to convert the information in the wiki into a RDF file
10:53:47 <raphael> ... this RDF file can then be the input of our test validation framework
10:53:54 <davy_> close action-168
10:53:54 <trackbot> ACTION-168 Investigate how the automatic test suite could also be done for evaluating the UA behavior closed
10:54:23 <davy_> action: Davy to convert TCs from the wiki to an RDF version
10:54:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-209 - Convert TCs from the wiki to an RDF version [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2010-12-15].
10:57:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:57:34 <davy_> [adjourned]
10:57:48 <davy_> RRSAgent, draft minutes
10:57:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-minutes.html davy_
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11:00:39 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
11:00:41 <Zakim> Attendees were Erik, Davy, Raphael, Yves
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14:42:04 <raphael> RRSAgent, bye
14:42:04 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
14:42:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: silvia to send the MF clarification text to the HTML mailinglist [1]
14:42:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-irc#T10-20-08
14:42:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: troncy to reopen the MF bug in the HTML5 bug tracker [2]
14:42:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-irc#T10-20-32-1
14:42:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: troncy to setup a poll regarding the fact that RTSP will be discussed in a separate note [3]
14:42:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-irc#T10-28-42
14:42:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: troncy to ask today who will make it to the teleconf next week [4]
14:42:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-irc#T10-36-04
14:42:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Davy to convert TCs from the wiki to an RDF version [5]
14:42:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-mediafrag-irc#T10-54-23