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Internationalization Core Teleconference

08 Dec 2010

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
+1.617.466.aaaa, David, aphillip, [IPcaller], Felix, Norbert, Richard, kennyluck, freedom, matial
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips

Contents


<scribe> Scribe: Addison Phillips

<scribe> ScribeNick: aphillip

<r12a> hi addison, give me a moment and i'll start the meeting with tracker

<r12a> trackbot, prepare a telcon

<trackbot> Sorry, r12a, I don't understand 'trackbot, prepare a telcon'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

<David> I am...

<r12a> trackbot, status

<r12a> trackbot, prepare telcon

<trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 08 December 2010

Minutes and Agenda review

richard: trackbot
... bopomofo

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

Topic Action Items

<r12a> [close][reopen]ACTION-N

Ask fantasai what bits of CSS3 are most interested in being commented upon

close ACTION-1

<trackbot> ACTION-1 Ask fantasai what bits of CSS3 are most interested in being commented upon closed

close ACTION-2

<trackbot> ACTION-2 Move the two I18N meetings so that they don't overlap closed

Move the two I18N meetings so that they don't overlap

Ask the Korean HTML5 Interest Group what should happen if "word-break: keep-all" is used with "word-wrap: break-all"

<freedom> ok, I am using VoIP, I think that causes the problem

Info Share

<kennyluck>

kenny has been working on new CSS property

scribe: skip-decoration-boundary
... underlines are drawn such that adjacent underlines get connected
... so <u></u><u></u> draws a single underline
... but some CJK uses make a problem

<kennyluck> CJK use of underline

scribe: above link is an example
... since there are no spaces in CJK text, they more often encounter the problem
... especially a problem with huperlinks

kenny: interesting progress on vertical text in chrome

richard: ruby spec news
... sent email to CSS asking if could publish as WD instead of CR
... got comments back
... CSS may not have picked up as a topic today

Addison: "U" extention to BCP 47 published

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2010OctDec/0096.html

scribe: RFC 6067

<kennyluck> me q?

scribe: en-US-u-ca-gregorian

s/greogorian/gregori

<r12a> ACTION: Richard to change the language tags article to say that now there is an extension defined, and describe it briefly [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Change the language tags article to say that now there is an extension defined, and describe it briefly [on Richard Ishida - due 2010-12-15].

felix: should validators handle extensions?

<kennyluck> aphillip: Well-formedness is not a problem.

<kennyluck> r12a: Do you need to validate the extention?

<fsasaki> here are some examples of what the html5 validator does currently with language tags: http://tinyurl.com/33lhk4p

<kennyluck> aphillip: Not necessary. But you can do it.

<scribe> ACTION: addison: check on HTML5 language tag validator and send any comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Check on HTML5 language tag validator and send any comments [on Addison Phillips - due 2010-12-15].

<fsasaki> aphillip: you can send the comments to me - I created the bcp 47 patch for the validator

<r12a> felix, is deprecated in "The language tag zh-yue is deprecated" correct? I think it's just not recommended.

<fsasaki> richard, the registry says deprecated, IIRC

<fsasaki> the validator just reads the registry and validates based on that

Bidi Status

trackbot

richard: explains all about trackbot

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/

richard: other groups use it
... above link is main page for our trackbot
... tracks issues and action items
... bottom of page has link to tracker doc
... linked to this IRC channel
... and to public-i18n-core list
... change actions here in IRC or via email
... can we use to replace tables for review comments?
... need to investigate
... initial email propagation may be an issue
... another issue might be that our Issue-43 might conflict with (say) someone else's issue-43
... there are ways to deal with that
... such as prefixing with group id (e.g. I18N-ISSUE-43)

kennyluck: think the table is nice

richard: can still have tables
... but it's a big maintenance headache
... especially for this "RI" person

:-)

richard: also subject header changes in email threads cause thread to get lost
... would have one issue for every comment
... can assign issues to "products" (spec)
... one potential problem is with individual vs. WG comments
... so might need to look into that

Bopomofo

richard: something holding up CSS3 Ruby
... not clear on how bopomofo works
... so to try to help that
... have written blog post that I'll update as I get more info
... here:

<r12a> http://rishida.net/blog/?p=494

richard: trying to gather in one place how bopomofo ruby works
... sent email asking CSS and our WG for more info and to look it over
... like to put this to rest after many years

david: surely there are some bopomofo experts?

richard: sent to public-cjk list

kennyluck: one special issue in bopomofo
... "i" symbol
... for historical reasons, no one knows why Unicode has it as vertical
... horizontal version is vertical
... but no one knows why it should ever be rendered that way

<freedom> it's vertical, 'cause it's a vertical one in GB code

<freedom> GB 2312, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GB_2312

addison: representative glyph in Unicode doesn't mean it cannot be rendered horizontally

richard: asking if kenny is asking if we should comment on this?

UTR#20

http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr20/

addison: summarizes

richard: should keep it as it is
... can publish a new note easily
... and we can update ours to match

norbert: there should be no separate versions

(general agreement)

<scribe> ACTION: addison: convey to Unicode desire to keep UTR#20 as a joint publication with identical versions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Convey to Unicode desire to keep UTR#20 as a joint publication with identical versions [on Addison Phillips - due 2010-12-15].

Followups

kennyluck: there was an action item to write about non-translate tag
... report as HTML bug

felix: sent something to member list but didn't receive comments

<fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010Nov/0001.html

everyone please comment for next time

<scribe> ACTION: felix: nudge everyone to ensure everyone review non-translate email by next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-i18n-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Nudge everyone to ensure everyone review non-translate email by next week [on Felix Sasaki - due 2010-12-15].

<kennyluck> ACTION-1?

<trackbot> ACTION-1 -- Richard Ishida to ask fantasai what bits of CSS3 are most interested in being commented upon -- due 2010-12-10 -- CLOSED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1

AOB?

<kennyluck> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010Dec/0005

fantasai's note on CSS3 says that all parts are active

scribe: so we need a plan to review all of CSS3 Text

<scribe> ACTION: addison: update review radar and ping www-international seeking comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-i18n-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-8 - Update review radar and ping www-international seeking comments [on Addison Phillips - due 2010-12-15].

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: check on HTML5 language tag validator and send any comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: convey to Unicode desire to keep UTR#20 as a joint publication with identical versions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: update review radar and ping www-international seeking comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: felix: nudge everyone to ensure everyone review non-translate email by next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Richard to change the language tags article to say that now there is an extension defined, and describe it briefly [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
 
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