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16:45:23 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
16:45:24 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:45:24 <trackbot> Date: 07 December 2010
16:45:27 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Dec/0009.html
16:45:30 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
16:45:34 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:45:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/07-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:45:41 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
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16:54:30 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Ashok
16:54:37 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Juan
16:54:41 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Eric
16:54:56 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Marcelo
16:55:00 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:55:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/07-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
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16:57:08 <mhausenblas> Michael: Richard and I are also a bit under pressure today (upcoming deadline) so I'd suggest a rather short call
16:57:20 <mhausenblas> ... given the number of regrets
16:57:47 <ivan> heh
16:57:57 <ivan> you will have to help me with the names
16:58:14 <mhausenblas> sure thing, but you know the thing with the 'deep end of the pool' ;)
16:58:14 <ivan> scribing on a short call is of course a good idea:-)
16:58:20 <mhausenblas> excatly
16:58:38 <mhausenblas> scribenick: ivan 
16:59:41 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
16:59:49 <Zakim> + +49.153.6.aaaa
17:00:03 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
17:00:11 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:00:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see +49.153.6.aaaa, mhausenblas
17:00:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see boris, privera, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, MacTed, cygri, ivan, LeeF, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
17:00:14 <nunolopes> nunolopes has joined #RDB2RDF
17:00:19 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is boris 
17:00:19 <Zakim> +boris; got it
17:00:22 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
17:00:22 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
17:00:24 <Zakim> +Ivan
17:00:32 <boris> thanks
17:01:35 <Zakim> +??P21
17:01:55 <nunolopes> Zakim, codes?
17:01:55 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, nunolopes.
17:02:27 <Zakim> +nunolopes
17:02:38 <mhausenblas> Zakim,  P21 is privera 
17:02:38 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I do not recognize a party named 'P21'
17:02:42 <Zakim> + +49.157.849.8.aabb
17:02:43 <mhausenblas> Zakim,  ??P21 is privera 
17:02:43 <Zakim> +privera; got it
17:03:15 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Soeren
17:03:15 <Zakim> +Soeren; got it
17:03:31 <nunolopes> Zakim, mute me
17:03:31 <Zakim> nunolopes should now be muted
17:03:50 <nunolopes> Zakim, unmute me
17:03:50 <Zakim> nunolopes should no longer be muted
17:03:52 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:03:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see boris, mhausenblas, Ivan, privera, nunolopes, Soeren
17:03:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see nunolopes, boris, privera, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, MacTed, cygri, ivan, LeeF, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
17:04:29 <mhausenblas> betehess are you going to join?
17:04:43 <privera> Zakim, mute me
17:04:43 <Zakim> privera should now be muted
17:04:52 <nunolopes> Zakim, mute me
17:04:52 <Zakim> nunolopes should now be muted
17:05:05 <ivan> topic: admin issues
17:05:10 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting, see http://www.w3.org/2010/11/30-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
17:05:16 <ivan> mhausenblas: any comments
17:05:17 <ivan> ...
17:05:18 <ivan> ...
17:05:21 <nunolopes> +1
17:05:27 <ivan> mhausenblas: propose to accept it
17:05:33 <ivan> topic: actions
17:05:33 <Zakim> +??P10
17:05:49 <mhausenblas> Zakim, ??P10 is Souri
17:05:49 <Zakim> +Souri; got it
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17:05:56 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/open
17:06:21 <ivan> mhausenblas: action 79 is on juan, skip that
17:06:39 <mhausenblas> ACTION-83?
17:06:39 <trackbot> ACTION-83 -- Ashok Malhotra to review R2RML ED -- due 2010-12-07 -- OPEN
17:06:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/83
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17:06:52 <ivan> mhausenblas: Souri do you know of any input on that one?
17:06:55 <ivan> Souri: no, sorry...
17:07:25 <Zakim> +Seema
17:08:05 <ivan> Topic: r2rml status
17:08:15 <ivan> mhausenblas: we have a first public draft for r2rml
17:08:22 <ivan> ... our editors created a new editors' draft
17:08:26 <ivan> ... with lots of improvements
17:08:28 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/
17:08:41 <ivan> ... ashok had an action to review it
17:08:55 <ivan> ... would be good to be reviewed by somebody who has not been involved
17:09:00 <ivan> ... looking at ivan
17:09:56 <ivan> ivan: I cannot review it before my vacation
17:10:23 <ivan> mhausenblas: it would be good to issue another draft 
17:10:30 <ivan> ivan: I can review it in January
17:10:57 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Ivan to review the R2RML ED till end of 01/2011
17:10:57 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Ivan
17:10:57 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail)
17:11:07 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Herman to review the R2RML ED till end of 01/2011
17:11:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-86 - Review the R2RML ED till end of 01/2011 [on Ivan Herman - due 2010-12-14].
17:11:59 <mhausenblas> ACTION-84?
17:12:00 <trackbot> ACTION-84 -- Michael Hausenblas to ask Lee if he can review R2RML ED -- due 2010-12-07 -- OPEN
17:12:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/84
17:12:01 <ivan> mhausenblas: Souri , Seema , anyting to add to the status
17:12:05 <mhausenblas> continues
17:12:40 <ivan> Souri: we wrote 5-6 lines on the usage of blank nodes
17:12:52 <ivan> ... when triples are gtenerated from the same row
17:13:06 <ivan> ... i have some validation issues with that one, but will be there shortly
17:13:07 <Souri>     5.1 Use of Blank Nodes as Subject      Although R2RML allows creating blank nodes as subject, one must use caution     to avoid the following scenario. If triples generated from a logical table row     are directed to different graphs (using rr:graph or rr:graphTemplate), then     two triples from same row, despite the use of the same blank node label,     would not be interpreted as describing the same subject. This is due to local (i.e.,     the containi
17:14:04 <ivan> q+
17:14:16 <ivan> Souri: other than that we have not made any changes
17:14:45 <ivan> ... we thought for a moment on another issue, ie, use of the same uri-s across many tables, common in a join situation
17:14:53 <ivan> ... two tables have the same primary keys
17:15:16 <ivan> ... something to be discussed among ourselves
17:15:31 <mhausenblas> ack ivan 
17:15:47 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
17:15:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/07-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:16:14 <ivan> ivan: what about adding a portion on a relationship between direct graph and r2rml
17:16:38 <ivan> Souri: I depend on richard on that, he is more about that section, if he does not have the time we can do it
17:16:56 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Hausenblas to nudge Richard C to address the R2RML - DM connection
17:16:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-87 - Nudge Richard C to address the R2RML - DM connection [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2010-12-14].
17:17:10 <ivan> mhausenblas: anything else?
17:17:19 <ivan> Souri: one issue I have for the direct mapping
17:17:32 <ivan> ... dm uses blank node as a default when there is no primary key
17:17:46 <ivan> ... there is not option to do anything else
17:17:56 <ivan> ... the complication does not come it in their case
17:18:05 <ivan> ... but blank nodes have their issues
17:18:22 <ivan> ... of course, with uri-s if two people use the same, that can be generate
17:18:31 <ivan> ... uri-s seem more simple to deal with
17:18:41 <mhausenblas> Michael: please go to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/ and raise an issue (+ tag it with product 'Direct Mapping')
17:18:43 <ivan> ... should we take this into account
17:19:20 <ivan> mhausenblas: better to put that into the issue tracker and then we will have to discuss it with the DM editors when they are here
17:20:11 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-5?
17:20:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-5 -- Default vs. direct mapping -- open
17:20:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/5
17:20:47 <ivan> topic: test cases
17:21:02 <ivan> mhausenblas: we have a lot, but it is not good to look at them with so many people are not here?
17:21:19 <ivan> ... boris is it ok with you?
17:21:25 <ivan> boris: sure, next time is fine
17:21:27 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/R2RML_Test_Cases_v1
17:21:53 <ivan> boris: I have created a new wiki page, based on the comments of last week
17:22:21 <ivan> topic: AOB
17:22:29 <ivan> mhausenblas: anything? F2F meeting
17:22:30 <ivan> q+
17:22:38 <mhausenblas> ack ivan
17:24:53 <mhausenblas> Michael:  http://www.w3.org/2010/11/16-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#item02
17:25:19 <mhausenblas> ACTION-79?
17:25:19 <trackbot> ACTION-79 -- Juan Sequeda to compile a list of speaking/panel opportunities for diseminating rdb2rdf work -- due 2010-12-07 -- OPEN
17:25:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/79
17:26:18 <ivan> Souri: for semtech, 1.5 hours will be fine
17:26:35 <ivan> ... we will not have formal semantics there
17:26:59 <ivan> ... with good examples this would be enough
17:27:11 <ivan> mhausenblas: let us discuss this via mail
17:27:26 <ivan> ... when juan is here
17:27:42 <ivan> mhausenblas: anything else?
17:27:43 <ivan> ...
17:27:45 <ivan> ...
17:27:53 <ivan> .... we will have one more call next week
17:28:03 <ivan> ... we can restart on the 4th or the 11th
17:28:15 <ivan> meeting adjurned
17:28:17 <ivan> bye
17:28:18 <Zakim> -Soeren
17:28:19 <Zakim> -Seema
17:28:21 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
17:28:21 <Zakim> -Souri
17:28:22 <Zakim> -nunolopes
17:28:25 <Zakim> -privera
17:28:27 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minute
17:28:27 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', mhausenblas.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:28:29 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:28:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/07-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:28:38 <Zakim> -boris
17:28:47 <ivan> zakim, bye
17:28:47 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +49.153.6.aaaa, mhausenblas, boris, Ivan, nunolopes, +49.157.849.8.aabb, privera, Soeren, Souri, Seema
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17:32:43 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:32:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/07-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
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17:40:45 <mhausenblas> trackbot, end telecon
17:40:45 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:40:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:40:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/07-rdb2rdf-minutes.html trackbot
17:40:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:40:47 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/07-rdb2rdf-actions.rdf :
17:40:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ivan to review the R2RML ED till end of 01/2011 [1]
17:40:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/07-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-10-57
17:40:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Herman to review the R2RML ED till end of 01/2011 [2]
17:40:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/07-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-11-07
17:40:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Hausenblas to nudge Richard C to address the R2RML - DM connection [3]
17:40:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/07-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-16-56