19:59:44 RRSAgent has joined #html-a11y 19:59:44 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/12/06-html-a11y-irc 19:59:46 RRSAgent, make logs world 19:59:46 Zakim has joined #html-a11y 19:59:48 Zakim, this will be 2119 19:59:48 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(A11Y)3:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute 19:59:49 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 19:59:49 Date: 06 December 2010 20:00:10 meeting: W3C HTML Canvas Accessibility meeting 20:00:14 chair: Rich 20:00:52 WAI_PFWG(A11Y)3:00PM has now started 20:00:59 +richardschwerdtfe 20:01:12 meeting: make log public 20:01:17 silvia has joined #html-a11y 20:01:57 +David_Bolter 20:02:10 +Charles_Pritchard 20:02:35 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010OctDec/0055.html 20:02:46 scribe: Rich 20:03:12 Topic: 2D API update for caret and selection 20:03:55 Downchuck has joined #html-a11y 20:07:37 Action: Rich review Charles draft of the canvas 2D API 20:07:37 Created ACTION-91 - Review Charles draft of the canvas 2D API [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2010-12-13]. 20:08:29 Topic: Zooming 20:09:19 david: I am not sure if the real issue is about privacy or the author doing the wrong thing 20:09:43 david: they need to be gently shown what the award is and how it outweighs the list 20:10:07 charles: Robert did come up with a solution that fits within the specifications 20:10:14 charles: this will make things slower 20:10:35 Charles: Robert said it was quick to code. 20:10:46 david: have you had any further discussion 20:11:10 charles: Mozilla internally had made this policy decision a while ago 20:11:35 charles: the data is actually exposed and you have to do nasty hacks to get it. 20:11:53 charles: I can't get past the fact that they want to make it difficult 20:12:13 charles: they don't appear to want to address it 20:12:23 charles: I have the same issue in webkit 20:12:36 charles: g 20:12:43 Charles: Google wants the standard 20:12:55 Charles: If Mozilla won't engage they won't comply 20:13:12 david: was there any discussion prior to the canvas context 20:13:22 charles: I believe so. 20:13:54 charles: we seem stuck 20:14:04 david: I will see them in person next week 20:14:32 david: if you want me to deal with this quickly I can deal with internally now. 20:14:40 +[Microsoft] 20:14:48 charles: it would be good to not to have to hack this 20:14:56 frankolivier has joined #html-a11y 20:15:08 s/me to deal with this/me to contact them 20:15:22 charles: I would like to see the mIcrosoft solution in webkit as well 20:15:37 hi frank 20:16:17 hi Frank 20:16:58 Charles: I can't do the hack on Webkit. When sidebars go in I am stuck on webkit. 20:17:07 Hello all 20:17:11 Hi Frank 20:17:14 welcome 20:17:31 we are going to get to editing in a minute 20:18:10 charles: they need to give more credence to accessibility experts on this. 20:18:16 s/they need to be gently shown/they want to be shown 20:19:09 Rich: IE provides the logical DPI to JavaScript developers 20:19:41 Charles: on the list they said it was unnecessary to have both X and Y scaling. Is there a use case for X and Y scaling? 20:19:51 Frank: this was in IE 6 20:20:03 Frank: I could not find internal documentation 20:20:22 Frank: I could not see why we would have non-square pixels on the device. 20:21:14 Topic: ApI for getting selection, grammar, and spell checking ranges 20:22:44 Rich: there was a concern over exposing the language as a privacy issue 20:23:00 Frank: If you have a custom dictionary you would not want to expose that to web pages 20:23:25 Frank: it is easy for the web page to identify my private dictionary 20:23:48 Charles: it occurs to me that when browsing icognito ... 20:23:58 Frank: this is most acute in private mode. 20:24:09 frank: this is a general problem in the HTML spec. 20:24:27 Frank: you can actually get a pretty unique fingerprint of those browsing the web 20:25:24 david: agree 20:25:58 Rich: we could simply create elements for the , , 20:26:39 foob 20:27:14 Rich: this could allow the web author the page outside the user's dictionary 20:27:29 charles: this only says this range is misspelled 20:27:54 silvia has joined #html-a11y 20:28:01 i have to go 20:28:05 -David_Bolter 20:28:08 happy fridge day 20:29:02 :-( 20:29:43 frank: so, the author would have to keep track of visually where the stuff was on the screen 20:29:56 frank: no platform convention 20:32:36 Action: Rich write a high level write up of the use of elements to annotate the canvas subtree to support caret, spell and grammar checkers 20:32:37 Created ACTION-92 - Write a high level write up of the use of elements to annotate the canvas subtree to support caret, spell and grammar checkers [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2010-12-13]. 20:33:48 Topic: Restricting elements used in the canvas subtree 20:34:47 Rich: Charles is suggesting that we not initialize certain elements in the canvas subtree like IFrame 20:34:49 Descendant elements which require initialization (e.g. img and iframe) MUST NOT be activated during page load. 20:34:56 Descendant elements which require initialization (e.g. img and iframe) shall not be initialized on page load. 20:35:02 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010OctDec/att-0055/HTML_Canvas_Element.html 20:35:38 Frank: I think we would need to be more crisp on IFrame 20:36:08 Charles: I think IFrame is kind of handled strange by other browsers 20:36:20 Charles: Perhaps writing more would be helpful 20:36:47 Frank: we could say we support the Iframe but the source would be null 20:36:52 charles: what is the security issue 20:37:04 Frank: People override IFrame 20:37:10 Frank: quick jacking 20:37:32 Charles: this would be like an IFrame not actually attached to the DOM 20:37:46 Frank: where is this discussed 20:37:56 Charles: wwdom and whatwg - not exactly sure 20:38:29 charles: I don't like the idea of getting rid of the src="" ... the data may actually be useful like the image source 20:40:03 Rich: do you think you can improve the language? 20:40:08 Charles: yes 20:40:45 Charles: we need to support something like image with a src we do not want to break it 20:41:11 Charles: will dig into IFrame 20:43:04 Charles: I had one question regarding the test I sent 20:43:27 Charles: when I hit the space bar on a checkbox it sent a mouse event with the coordinates that were off screen 20:43:49 Frank: I am looking at it now. Please send me a note of what you found 20:44:25 Rich: when do you all go on vacation? 20:45:05 Rich: Last meeting in 2010 will be on December 13 20:45:14 -Charles_Pritchard 20:45:17 -[Microsoft] 20:45:23 RRSAgent, draft minutes 20:45:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/06-html-a11y-minutes.html richardschwerdtfe 20:45:32 RRSAgent, make log public 20:45:38 Zakim, bye 20:45:38 leaving. As of this point the attendees were richardschwerdtfe, David_Bolter, Charles_Pritchard, [Microsoft] 20:45:38 Zakim has left #html-a11y 20:45:44 RRSAgent, draft minutes 20:45:44 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/06-html-a11y-minutes.html richardschwerdtfe 20:55:38 meeting: W3C HTML Canvas Accessibility Subteam 20:55:45 RRSAgent, draft minutes 20:55:45 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/06-html-a11y-minutes.html richardschwerdtfe 23:14:17 silvia has joined #html-a11y