16:43:57 RRSAgent has joined #webperf 16:43:57 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webperf-irc 16:44:00 meeting: Web Performance Working Group Meeting #12 16:44:04 clear the agenda 16:44:11 scribe:AndersonQuach 16:44:15 present+ AndersonQuach 16:45:00 agenda+ Feedback and results on the name-search for window.(performance | webPerformance | pagePerformance). 16:45:06 agenda+ Connect phase feedback, SSL Handshake and SOCKS authentication. 16:45:10 agenda+ Unload Event feedback. 16:45:14 agenda+ Review a test case. 16:45:20 agenda+ Resource timing. 16:45:26 agenda+ Any other business. 16:45:40 rrsagent, set logs world-visible 17:00:17 plh has joined #webperf 17:00:27 zakim, list conferences 17:00:28 I see VB_VBWG(SCXML)12:00PM, WAI_PF()12:00PM, Style_CSS FP()12:00PM, Team_(site)16:55Z, Team_W3M()8:00AM, RWC_web-per(WPWG)12:00PM active 17:00:33 zakim, this is web-per 17:00:35 also scheduled at this time are T&S_EGOV(UseWebTech)12:00PM, Team_(SANDISK)11:30AM, INC_SWXG()11:00AM 17:00:43 ok, plh; that matches RWC_web-per(WPWG)12:00PM 17:00:53 +Plh 17:01:02 biesi has joined #webperf 17:01:11 + +1.650.253.aaaa 17:01:15 -[Microsoft] 17:01:21 - +1.650.253.aaaa 17:01:23 -Plh 17:01:24 zakim, drop plh 17:01:25 RWC_web-per(WPWG)12:00PM has ended 17:01:27 Attendees were [Microsoft], Plh, +1.650.253.aaaa 17:01:29 sorry, plh, I don't know what conference this is 17:01:31 RWC_web-per(WPWG)12:00PM has now started 17:01:37 +[Microsoft] 17:01:52 + +1.650.253.aaaa 17:01:53 +Zhiheng 17:02:01 zakim, passcode? 17:02:01 the conference code is 97373 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), plh 17:02:23 +Philippe 17:02:24 present+ Christian' 17:02:33 present+ ArvindJain 17:02:37 Chair: ArvindJain 17:02:42 + +1.650.704.aabb 17:03:09 zhiheng has joined #webperf 17:03:40 present+ Zhiheng 17:05:19 list the agenda 17:05:35 +James 17:07:00 agenda+ publishing an updated working draft 17:09:27 AndersonQuach: query results returned, 0 hits with pagePerformance, however recommend performance due to low risks, alternatively webperformance also at zero hits. 17:09:48 Zhiheng: want to discuss a read/write attribute rather than read-only. 17:11:02 NicJansma: if we remove read-only, can we revert to the browser implementation. 17:11:10 Christian: What is the adv. for read/write? 17:11:24 simonjam has joined #webperf 17:11:26 NicJansma: Site compat, to reduce chances for sites throwing script errors? 17:11:49 Christian: you can still get errors with the attribute being read/write? 17:13:04 plh: making it read-write any application can modify it. 17:14:01 Zhiheng: performance makes more sense to me. 17:15:26 Zhiheng: Let's move forward with performance, the risks seem to be low. 17:16:02 Topic: Feedback and results on the name-search for window.(performance | webPerformance | pagePerformance). 17:16:09 Zhiheng: Decision to continue to use window.performance. 17:16:12 next agenda 17:16:14 next agenda 17:16:36 zakim, close agendum 1 17:16:36 agendum 1, Feedback and results on the name-search for window.(performance | webPerformance | pagePerformance)., closed 17:16:38 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:16:38 zakim, move to next agendum 17:16:39 2. Connect phase feedback, SSL Handshake and SOCKS authentication. [from AndersonQuach] 17:16:41 agendum 2. "Connect phase feedback, SSL Handshake and SOCKS authentication." taken up [from AndersonQuach] 17:19:45 Zhiheng: I agree for connect to include end to end time, including tcp connection, socks and ssl. 17:20:03 AndersonQuach: Let's not include SOCKS, does not pertain to the website. 17:20:41 Zhiheng: may-level requirement to have handshakeEnd == connectEnd if SSL in the picture. 17:21:56 mdelaney has joined #webperf 17:21:57 NicJansma: Existence of the attribute may be confusing, if it does not work. 17:22:39 topic: Connect phase feedback, SSL Handshake and SOCKS authentication. 17:26:33 Zhiheng: agreed, optional for the handshake phase for user agents that no insight to the network stack. 17:31:06 Christian: better to be zero, if there is no handshake. 17:31:25 Zhiheng: there are three values: undefined, 0 for no handshake, and value when there is a handshake. 17:31:42 Zhiheng: End of handshake would be connectEnd 17:33:28 close agendum 2 17:33:33 move to agendum 3 17:38:09 topic: "Unload Event feedback." 17:38:14 http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/history.html#unloading-documents 17:41:15 Zhiheng: I'm okay with capturing it as the unload handler as site developers have the most control over this. 17:41:19 close agenda 3 17:41:26 move to agenda 4 17:41:43 topic: Review a test case." 17:45:55 AndersonQuach: feedback, we should include: title of tests, description of tests, objective, and clear pass / fail criteria. 17:46:24 AndersonQuach: would recommend that we pursue self-contained tests until we need a common infrastructure for testing async behavior and etc. 17:48:22 http://test.w3.org/html/tests/approved/canvas/canvas_colorsandstyles_addcolorstop_001.htm 17:52:10 AndersonQuach: this is a great start 17:52:27 NicJansma: Thanks for taking the lead. We'll follow offline with the recommendations for details on the tests. 17:53:09 close agendum 4 17:53:19 topic: Resource timing. 17:53:42 AndersonQuach: James, thanks for summarizing. 17:53:51 NicJansma: Is there a recommendation you have? 17:54:09 simonjam: Yes, the first proposal, attaching to the simple event. 18:00:59 -Zhiheng 18:01:36 -Philippe 18:03:29 - +1.650.253.aaaa 18:03:30 -James 18:03:32 -[Microsoft] 18:07:10 - +1.650.704.aabb 18:07:11 RWC_web-per(WPWG)12:00PM has ended 18:07:12 Attendees were [Microsoft], +1.650.253.aaaa, Zhiheng, Philippe, +1.650.704.aabb, James 18:53:25 topic: Summary 18:57:43 1. Closed in window.performance namespace, moving forward with the name for future extensibility due to the low risks outlined in this meeting. 18:57:55 2. handShakeStart added as a new [optional] attribute with three states: undefined for those browsers that do not have insight to the network-stack, 0 value for non-ssl connections and a time-stamp for ssl connections. connectEnd will capture the full end-to-end time, including SOCKS and SSL handshake. 18:58:01 3. unloadEventStart, unloadEventEnd to capture the start and end of the unload event handler. The unloadEventStart already captures the beginning of the document clean-up steps as outlined in http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/history.html#unloading-documents. The goal is to provide actionable data to site developers. 18:58:05 4. Test cases should include: Title, Description / objective and clear pass / fail criteria. 18:58:07 5. Review offline and provide feedback for Resource Timing proposals as outlined in James’ summary email. 18:58:13 rrsagent, generate minutes 18:58:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webperf-minutes.html AndersonQuach 18:58:31 rrsagent set logs world-visible 18:58:34 rrsagent, set logs world-visible 18:58:37 rrsagent, generate minutes 18:58:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webperf-minutes.html AndersonQuach 18:59:00 regrets+ JasonWeber 18:59:02 rrsagent, generate minutes 18:59:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webperf-minutes.html AndersonQuach 19:46:00 clear the agenda 19:46:04 Zakim, please part 19:46:04 Zakim has left #webperf 19:46:07 rrsagent, please part 19:46:07 I see no action items