IRC log of webapps on 2010-12-01
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webapps-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 18:02:15 [Zakim]
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- Zakim, this will be DOM3
- 18:02:17 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot; I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM scheduled to start in 58 minutes
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- Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 01 December 2010
- 18:02:26 [Lachy]
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- 18:02:48 [Zakim]
- ok, shepazu; conference Team_(webapps)18:02Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1902Z
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- Team_(webapps)18:02Z has now started
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- +Shepazu
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- +??P0
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- -??P0
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- +??P0
- 18:03:51 [shepazu]
- jrossi, Travis, smaug_, code is 26632
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- Zakim, ??P0 is Olli_Pettay
- 18:04:11 [Zakim]
- +Olli_Pettay; got it
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- +[Microsoft]
- 18:04:37 [Travis]
- Zakim: [microsoft] is Travis
- 18:04:48 [Travis]
- Zakim [microsoft] is Travis
- 18:05:33 [smaug_]
- Zakim, [Microsoft] is Travis
- 18:05:33 [Zakim]
- +Travis; got it
- 18:07:01 [Travis]
- shepazu: Let's talk larger scope...
- 18:08:28 [Travis]
- ... start 2nd last call in Jan?
- 18:08:42 [Lawouach]
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- 18:09:18 [Travis]
- ... not expecting large changes coming other than issues raised
- 18:09:32 [smaug_]
- hmm
- 18:09:35 [smaug_]
- connection problems
- 18:09:39 [smaug_]
- now, back
- 18:10:01 [Travis]
- ... should have a story around mutation events (where they will be)
- 18:13:37 [Travis]
- ... should try to have a FPWD of new mutation events spec ready to point to
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- https://github.com/jeresig/nodelist
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- see ".added(function), .removed( function)"
- 18:21:32 [Travis]
- RESOLUTION: Contact JResig for using NodeList as a replacement for mutation events (to get it on a W3C standards track).
- 18:22:41 [Travis]
- smaug_: We should ensure that DOMCharacterDataModified scenarios are handled as they are one of the most important.
- 18:24:32 [Travis]
- shepazu: It might be that not all scenarios for mutation events fit into the same mold; we shouldn't feel like they must all fit.
- 18:27:44 [Travis]
- scribe: Travis
- 18:27:48 [Travis]
- scribeNick: Travis
- 18:28:04 [Travis]
- shepazu: We've now started working on the Web Events WG.
- 18:28:15 [Travis]
- ... will cover both touch events and "high level" events.
- 18:28:33 [Travis]
- ... will likely resurrect "activate" in such a "high level" spec.
- 18:28:55 [Travis]
- ... realizes that not all browser vendors can join this group at this time.
- 18:29:33 [Travis]
- ... all browsers _are_ in the PF WG, so looking to have "high level" event spec as a joint-delieverable.
- 18:30:40 [shepazu]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/1.1/intent-based-events.html
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- 18:33:10 [Travis]
- Topic: Back to DOM L3 Events
- 18:33:37 [Travis]
- shepazu: Making some prose updates to unify info on keyboard events
- 18:34:48 [Travis]
- ... Up next: integrating keyboard language info
- 18:37:39 [Travis]
- jrossi: We'd like to focus on the keyboard language property and "3rd parameter to addEventListener being optional"
- 18:38:14 [smaug_]
- let me try to re-call
- 18:38:17 [Zakim]
- -Olli_Pettay
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- +??P0
- 18:39:42 [Travis]
- jrossi: IE9 updated to make this 3rd parameter optional, in part due to some sites not providing the parameter.
- 18:40:08 [smaug_]
- Zakim, ??P0 is Olli_Pettay
- 18:40:08 [Zakim]
- +Olli_Pettay; got it
- 18:40:50 [Travis]
- smaug_: Apparently this was a bug in chrome that is now relied on in actual web pages :(
- 18:41:07 [Travis]
- shepazu: I don't have a strong opinion either way
- 18:41:38 [miketaylr]
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- 18:42:51 [Travis]
- smaug_: I don't really like it, but its OK to make it optional.
- 18:43:17 [Travis]
- RESOLUTION: make the 3rd parameter to addEventListener/removeEventListener optional
- 18:46:46 [Travis]
- shepazu: smaug_ what are your priorities?
- 18:47:27 [Zakim]
- -Olli_Pettay
- 18:47:41 [Travis]
- smaug_: Nothing is high priority as FF4 won't have many of these spec updates in it.
- 18:47:49 [Travis]
- shepazu: Else from MS?
- 18:48:00 [Travis]
- jrossi: Yes, we have a suggestion on keyboard locale info.
- 18:48:10 [smaug_]
- great
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- and sorry
- 18:48:21 [Travis]
- ... We're OK putting a property on an event, and skipping the static property.
- 18:48:28 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 18:48:54 [Travis]
- ... For TextInput event, we're not sure we can identify an input locale for the various input types that are possible.
- 18:49:02 [smaug_]
- Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay
- 18:49:02 [Zakim]
- +Olli_Pettay; got it
- 18:49:27 [Travis]
- ... We recommend moving the property from TextInput to CompositionEvent
- 18:49:49 [Travis]
- ... Pasted content (for example) could have content from multiple locales in it.
- 18:51:28 [Travis]
- shepazu: We could put it in all three...
- 18:52:10 [Travis]
- ... It's an implementation problem-- 3 implementations across mutliple OS's might not be able to support it.
- 18:52:36 [Travis]
- smaug_: Could we have KeyboardEvent and CompositionEvent have the property?
- 18:52:51 [Travis]
- shepazu: Your argument makes sense
- 18:53:11 [Travis]
- ... We don't know of OS's that support it [identifying locale information for random text input]
- 18:53:41 [Travis]
- ... OK. Seems compelling to me. Esp.
- 18:54:34 [Travis]
- RESOLUTION: Add "inputlocale" to KeyboardEvent and CompositionEvent (but not TextInput)
- 18:54:59 [Travis]
- jrossi: How about simply "locale"?
- 18:55:04 [Travis]
- ... (It's simpler)
- 18:55:08 [Travis]
- shepazu: OK.
- 18:56:15 [smaug_]
- ok, my network connection is too bad to use
- 18:56:20 [smaug_]
- now it is working again
- 18:56:22 [Travis]
- smaug_: TextInput has "inputMethod", we could have "inputLocale" to be consistent.
- 18:57:31 [Travis]
- shepazu: Will Microsoft send their comment to the list in response to this thread?
- 18:57:36 [Travis]
- jrossi: Yes, will do.
- 18:58:34 [Zakim]
- -Olli_Pettay
- 18:58:52 [Travis]
- Travis: Where are we on LC comments?
- 18:58:58 [smaug_]
- call dropped
- 18:59:04 [smaug_]
- if there is still anything else, please ping me
- 19:00:05 [Travis]
- shepazu: Prior to TPAC we reviewed the list; I don't think we have a lot of new issues.
- 19:02:03 [Travis]
- Travis: RAISED=44, OPEN=7, PENDINGREVIEW=1
- 19:02:40 [Travis]
- ... 112 CLOSED
- 19:07:30 [Travis]
- shepazu: Oh, one more thing (to talk about next week)...
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- ... keyCode/charCode/which
- 19:11:11 [Travis]
- shepazu: Until next week!
- 19:11:22 [Travis]
- ... send any related documentation my way
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- -Travis
- 19:11:39 [Travis]
- ... jrossi, please send the inputLocal mail.
- 19:11:45 [Travis]
- Bye!
- 19:11:45 [Zakim]
- -Shepazu
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- Team_(webapps)18:02Z has ended
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- Attendees were Shepazu, Olli_Pettay, Travis
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- 20:07:18 [shepazu]
- timeless_mbp: if you want to see any changes, you should send the review right away
- 20:08:06 [timeless_mbp]
- shepazu: it'll have to be thursday or sunday, my day is almost over and i have a telcall at 12:30am + two other work items which i needed to do this week :(
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