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18:02:17 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DOM3
18:02:17 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM scheduled to start in 58 minutes
18:02:18 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:02:18 <trackbot> Date: 01 December 2010
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18:02:48 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; conference Team_(webapps)18:02Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1902Z
18:03:10 <Zakim> Team_(webapps)18:02Z has now started
18:03:10 <Zakim> +Shepazu
18:03:47 <Zakim> +??P0
18:03:48 <Zakim> -??P0
18:03:48 <Zakim> +??P0
18:03:51 <shepazu> jrossi, Travis, smaug_, code is 26632
18:04:11 <smaug_> Zakim, ??P0 is Olli_Pettay
18:04:11 <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
18:04:22 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:04:37 <Travis> Zakim: [microsoft] is Travis
18:04:48 <Travis> Zakim [microsoft] is Travis
18:05:33 <smaug_> Zakim, [Microsoft] is Travis
18:05:33 <Zakim> +Travis; got it
18:07:01 <Travis> shepazu: Let's talk larger scope...
18:08:28 <Travis> ... start 2nd last call in Jan?
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18:09:18 <Travis> ... not expecting large changes coming other than issues raised
18:09:32 <smaug_> hmm
18:09:35 <smaug_> connection problems
18:09:39 <smaug_> now, back
18:10:01 <Travis> ... should have a story around mutation events (where they will be)
18:13:37 <Travis> ... should try to have a FPWD of new mutation events spec ready to point to
18:13:38 <Travis> https://github.com/jeresig/nodelist
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18:15:38 <Travis> see ".added(function), .removed( function)"
18:21:32 <Travis> RESOLUTION: Contact JResig for using NodeList as a replacement for mutation events (to get it on a W3C standards track).
18:22:41 <Travis> smaug_: We should ensure that DOMCharacterDataModified scenarios are handled as they are one of the most important.
18:24:32 <Travis> shepazu: It might be that not all scenarios for mutation events fit into the same mold; we shouldn't feel like they must all fit.
18:27:44 <Travis> scribe: Travis
18:27:48 <Travis> scribeNick: Travis
18:28:04 <Travis> shepazu: We've now started working on the Web Events WG.
18:28:15 <Travis> ... will cover both touch events and "high level" events.
18:28:33 <Travis> ... will likely resurrect "activate" in such a "high level" spec.
18:28:55 <Travis> ... realizes that not all browser vendors can join this group at this time.
18:29:33 <Travis> ... all browsers _are_ in the PF WG, so looking to have "high level" event spec as a joint-delieverable.
18:30:40 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/1.1/intent-based-events.html
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18:33:10 <Travis> Topic: Back to DOM L3 Events
18:33:37 <Travis> shepazu: Making some prose updates to unify info on keyboard events
18:34:48 <Travis> ... Up next: integrating keyboard language info
18:37:39 <Travis> jrossi: We'd like to focus on the keyboard language property and "3rd parameter to addEventListener being optional"
18:38:14 <smaug_> let me try to re-call
18:38:17 <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
18:38:40 <Zakim> +??P0
18:39:42 <Travis> jrossi: IE9 updated to make this 3rd parameter optional, in part due to some sites not providing the parameter.
18:40:08 <smaug_> Zakim, ??P0 is Olli_Pettay
18:40:08 <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
18:40:50 <Travis> smaug_: Apparently this was a bug in chrome that is now relied on in actual web pages :(
18:41:07 <Travis> shepazu: I don't have a strong opinion either way
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18:42:51 <Travis> smaug_: I don't really like it, but its OK to make it optional.
18:43:17 <Travis> RESOLUTION: make the 3rd parameter to addEventListener/removeEventListener optional
18:46:46 <Travis> shepazu: smaug_ what are your priorities?
18:47:27 <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
18:47:41 <Travis> smaug_: Nothing is high priority as FF4 won't have many of these spec updates in it.
18:47:49 <Travis> shepazu: Else from MS?
18:48:00 <Travis> jrossi: Yes, we have a suggestion on keyboard locale info.
18:48:10 <smaug_> great
18:48:10 <smaug_> and sorry
18:48:21 <Travis> ... We're OK putting a property on an event, and skipping the static property.
18:48:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
18:48:54 <Travis> ... For TextInput event, we're not sure we can identify an input locale for the various input types that are possible.
18:49:02 <smaug_> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay
18:49:02 <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
18:49:27 <Travis> ... We recommend moving the property from TextInput to CompositionEvent
18:49:49 <Travis> ... Pasted content (for example) could have content from multiple locales in it.
18:51:28 <Travis> shepazu: We could put it in all three...
18:52:10 <Travis> ... It's an implementation problem-- 3 implementations across mutliple OS's might not be able to support it.
18:52:36 <Travis> smaug_: Could we have KeyboardEvent and CompositionEvent have the property?
18:52:51 <Travis> shepazu: Your argument makes sense
18:53:11 <Travis> ... We don't know of OS's that support it [identifying locale information for random text input]
18:53:41 <Travis> ... OK. Seems compelling to me. Esp.
18:54:34 <Travis> RESOLUTION: Add "inputlocale" to KeyboardEvent and CompositionEvent (but not TextInput)
18:54:59 <Travis> jrossi: How about simply "locale"?
18:55:04 <Travis> ... (It's simpler)
18:55:08 <Travis> shepazu: OK.
18:56:15 <smaug_> ok, my network connection is too bad to use
18:56:20 <smaug_> now it is working again
18:56:22 <Travis> smaug_: TextInput has "inputMethod", we could have "inputLocale" to be consistent.
18:57:31 <Travis> shepazu: Will Microsoft send their comment to the list in response to this thread?
18:57:36 <Travis> jrossi: Yes, will do.
18:58:34 <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
18:58:52 <Travis> Travis: Where are we on LC comments?
18:58:58 <smaug_> call dropped
18:59:04 <smaug_> if there is still anything else, please ping me
19:00:05 <Travis> shepazu: Prior to TPAC we reviewed the list; I don't think we have a lot of new issues.
19:02:03 <Travis> Travis: RAISED=44, OPEN=7, PENDINGREVIEW=1
19:02:40 <Travis> ... 112 CLOSED
19:07:30 <Travis> shepazu: Oh, one more thing (to talk about next week)...
19:08:07 <Travis> ... keyCode/charCode/which
19:11:11 <Travis> shepazu: Until next week!
19:11:22 <Travis> ... send any related documentation my way
19:11:34 <Zakim> -Travis
19:11:39 <Travis> ... jrossi, please send the inputLocal mail.
19:11:45 <Travis> Bye!
19:11:45 <Zakim> -Shepazu
19:11:46 <Zakim> Team_(webapps)18:02Z has ended
19:11:47 <Zakim> Attendees were Shepazu, Olli_Pettay, Travis
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20:07:18 <shepazu> timeless_mbp: if you want to see any changes, you should send the review right away
20:08:06 <timeless_mbp> shepazu: it'll have to be thursday or sunday, my day is almost over and i have a telcall at 12:30am + two other work items which i needed to do this week :(
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