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14:50:20 <aphillip> zakim, this will be I18N
14:50:20 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; I see I18N_WG(MLW)10:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
14:50:31 <aphillip> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
14:50:42 <aphillip> Meeting: Internationalization Teleconference
14:50:46 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:50:51 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:50:56 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:51:08 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010Dec/0000.html
14:51:14 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:51:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:51:38 <aphillip> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
14:51:46 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:51:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:57:17 <freedom> freedom has joined #i18n
15:00:23 <Zakim> I18N_WG(MLW)10:00AM has now started
15:00:30 <Zakim> +??P11
15:00:58 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
15:00:58 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:00:59 <Zakim> +Richard
15:02:18 <Zakim> +Addison_Phillips
15:02:38 <r12a> zakim, who's here ?
15:02:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P11, Richard, aphillip
15:02:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see freedom, RRSAgent, Zakim, aphillip, andrewc, kennyluck, r12a, fantasai
15:03:18 <r12a> Koan-Sin Tan
15:03:46 <kennyluck> Zakim, code?
15:03:46 <Zakim> the conference code is 65932 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), kennyluck
15:04:33 <Zakim> +??P22
15:04:42 <kennyluck> Zakim, ??P22 is me.
15:05:01 <Zakim> +kennyluck; got it
15:06:12 <aphillip> Regrets: Felix
15:07:31 <Zakim> +??P5
15:09:14 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda review
15:09:38 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:09:52 <aphillip> ACTION: all: review working with time zones with an eye to publishing to wider review for next week 
15:10:07 <aphillip> addison: send update note to public@ about WWTZ to remind all to review document 
15:10:31 <aphillip> addison: reply to widgets in favor of Marcos's solution and asking for locale to be returned to the API 
15:10:44 <aphillip> aharon: check DOM3 events to see if they have included our issue about keyboard locale 
15:11:33 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:11:44 <kennyluck> q+
15:11:55 <aphillip> ack kennyluck
15:12:05 <aphillip> kenny: webkit has vertical text in nightly build
15:12:14 <aphillip> addison: and it's coming along pretty well
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15:12:51 <freedom> vertical text in WebKit is for Mac platform only now
15:12:55 <kennyluck> -> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46123
15:13:06 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
15:13:06 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:13:08 <Zakim> +Richard.a
15:13:27 <r12a> i seem to have network connectivity again
15:14:08 <freedom> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48459
15:14:13 <kennyluck> ->  http://freebsd.csie.nctu.edu.tw/~freedom/html5/vertical-hant-2.html
15:14:33 <kennyluck> -> http://freebsd.csie.nctu.edu.tw/~freedom/html5/vertical-hant-4.html
15:14:43 <Zakim> -freedom
15:15:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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15:15:36 <aphillip> agenda+: discuss vertical text tests
15:15:54 <aphillip> kennyluck: introducing freedom...
15:16:15 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:16:27 <aphillip> ... comes from Taiwan, interested in vertical text in epub
15:16:41 <Zakim> +David
15:17:28 <David> zakim, mute me
15:17:28 <Zakim> David should now be muted
15:18:20 <Zakim> -freedom
15:18:40 <aphillip> richard: writing modes spec is about to become a new working draft
15:18:57 <Zakim> +??P5
15:19:00 <kennyluck> s/new working draft/First Public Working Draft/
15:19:29 <kennyluck> aphillip: Was that part of the the transitions?
15:19:42 <kennyluck> r12a: yeah
15:20:29 <kennyluck> aphillip: I have an agendum item about bidi, but we don't have bidi people here for today.
15:20:50 <aphillip> Topic: bidi
15:20:57 <aphillip> richard summarizes
15:21:08 <aphillip> richard: aharon making a summary document
15:21:11 <aphillip> ... lots of progress
15:21:51 <aphillip> Topic: Vertical Text progress
15:21:57 <r12a> http://freebsd.csie.nctu.edu.tw/~freedom/html5/vertical-hant-2.html
15:21:59 <kennyluck> -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17nb3wlYkIG9MNtL1mlXVPOVe4QwyApiHRYim3nTi5CE/edit?hl=en Aharon's document
15:22:01 <aphillip> richard: small question first
15:22:17 <aphillip> richard: at the freebsd link above...
15:22:25 <aphillip> ... there are small spaces after punctuation marks
15:22:31 <aphillip> ... why is that?
15:22:34 <r12a> 中。 雕
15:23:19 <r12a>   4E2D  [CJK Unified Ideographs]
15:23:19 <r12a>   3002  IDEOGRAPHIC FULL STOP
15:23:19 <r12a>   0020  SPACE
15:23:19 <r12a>   96D5  [CJK Unified Ideographs]
15:23:47 <aphillip> freedom: appears to be a typo
15:24:01 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/tests-html-css/list-text-direction#verticaltext
15:24:02 <aphillip> richard: main point is that we have beginnings of tests
15:24:08 <aphillip> ... for vertical text
15:24:20 <aphillip> ... good to keep them in same style and location
15:24:36 <aphillip> ... in part because I can generate CSS tests in format that CSS wg (such as fantasai) likes
15:24:41 <aphillip> ... but also easier to maintin
15:24:47 <aphillip> s/maintin/maintain/
15:24:58 <kennyluck> q+
15:25:09 <aphillip> richard: can you discuss tests with me, please?
15:25:14 <freedom> q+
15:25:19 <aphillip> ack kennyluck
15:25:38 <aphillip> kennyluck: referring to epub folks such as EGLS
15:26:43 <aphillip> ... will make efforts to get tests into W3C space
15:27:08 <aphillip> richard: if they have their own test format, then we can talk to them about how to convert their tests
15:27:21 <aphillip> ... if the don't have tests yet, then perhaps we can ask them to base on our format
15:27:34 <aphillip> ack freedom
15:27:51 <aphillip> freedom: created tests just to see if they work
15:28:34 <aphillip> ... I can modify my tests to match
15:28:54 <Zakim> -??P5
15:28:55 <Zakim> + +972.5.225.5aaaa
15:29:20 <Zakim> +??P5
15:31:15 <aphillip> Topic: CSS3 Text progress
15:31:17 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2010Dec/0001.html
15:31:43 <kennyluck> -> http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/
15:31:46 <aphillip> kenny: we need to/might want to add to review radar
15:32:00 <aphillip> ... the CSS3 Text modules
15:32:02 <matial_> matial_ has joined #i18n
15:32:10 <kennyluck> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Oct/0032
15:32:21 <aphillip> ... problem in Indic communities
15:32:30 <aphillip> ... such as above comment to www-style
15:32:58 <aphillip> ... above sends a document with browser/CSS bugs
15:33:20 <aphillip> ... doesn't address every text feature
15:33:35 <aphillip> ... and if others don't know how to adress CSS
15:33:43 <aphillip> s/adress/address/
15:35:58 <aphillip> richard: this is a very old document that has had a lot of input
15:36:08 <aphillip> ... it is always good to have people look at it
15:36:14 <aphillip> ... last call is important
15:36:20 <aphillip> ... but also during document development
15:36:49 <aphillip> ... as far as Indic is concerned, Somnath has requested a TF and asked for a chair
15:37:10 <aphillip> ... working on helping him to get TF started up
15:37:20 <aphillip> richard: document put together over the summer
15:37:32 <aphillip> ... gave feedback about splitting up concerns
15:37:56 <aphillip> richard: part of answer is that we know about certain things
15:38:09 <aphillip> ... but maybe some things are missing, which we'd like to hear about them
15:38:23 <aphillip> ... and native speakers input is valuable
15:38:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:39:03 <aphillip> richard: shouldn't be too worried about indic yet, since they are just getting going but hope to be organized soon
15:40:44 <Zakim> -freedom
15:40:56 <kennyluck> ahillip: Some of the vertical text examples are used in CSS spec.
15:41:31 <r12a> s/ are used in CSS spec/ use in the CSS spec had copyright issues, that we should try to avoid/
15:41:48 <aphillip> kenny: fantasai asked for Indic, SEA, and Arabic script text users
15:42:20 <aphillip> richard: is this the best time to do it? might be
15:42:26 <aphillip> ... can contact bidi folks on bidi list
15:42:32 <aphillip> ... SEA is a little more complicated
15:42:45 <aphillip> ... can ask www-international list
15:42:52 <aphillip> ... but is this the best time to review?
15:43:28 <aphillip> kenny: not sure how we can make progress with out comments
15:44:35 <Zakim> +??P0
15:45:23 <kennyluck> q+
15:45:32 <aphillip> ack kennyluck
15:45:48 <kennyluck> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Oct/0032
15:47:48 <aphillip> andrew: discussion could be down because of browser support, etc.
15:47:50 <kennyluck> ACTION: kenny to ask the Korean HTML5 Interest Group what should happen if "word-break: keep-all" is used with "word-wrap: break-all"
15:47:53 <aphillip> s/be down/break down/
15:49:17 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/core/review-radar
15:50:33 <kennyluck> r12a: We can 1. send various mails to MLs 2. announce this in our hopepage
15:50:46 <r12a> s/hopepage/homepage/
15:51:37 <aphillip> ACTION: richard: ask fantasai what bits of CSS3 are most interested in being commented upon
15:51:55 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share (additional)
15:52:16 <aphillip> richard: it turns out iPod/iOS4 now supports font downloads
15:52:32 <r12a> http://www.zeldman.com/2010/11/26/web-type-news-iphone-and-ipad-now-support-truetype-font-embedding-this-is-huge/
15:52:53 <aphillip> richard: did some tests
15:53:04 <aphillip> ... like webkit, it doesn't use opentype features
15:53:13 <aphillip> ... so not that useful for many scripts
15:53:20 <aphillip> ... but good to point it out anyway
15:53:37 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:53:46 <David> zakim, umute me
15:53:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'umute me', David
15:53:58 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:53:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:54:01 <David> Zakim, unmute David
15:54:01 <Zakim> David should no longer be muted
15:54:03 <Zakim> -andrewc
15:54:14 <Zakim> -kennyluck
15:54:29 <Zakim> -David
15:55:05 <r12a> zakim, who's here ?
15:55:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, aphillip, Richard.a, matial, ??P0
15:55:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see matial_, David, r12a, freedom, RRSAgent, Zakim, aphillip, andrewc, kennyluck, fantasai
15:55:17 <aphillip> ACTION: richard: move the two I18N meetings so that they don't overlap
15:55:47 <Zakim> -??P0
15:58:54 <Zakim> -aphillip
15:58:56 <Zakim> -matial
15:58:58 <Zakim> -Richard.a
16:01:14 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:01:14 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Richard, aphillip, andrewc, kennyluck, freedom, Richard.a, David, +972.5.225.5aaaa, matial
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16:01:19 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:01:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:01:23 <aphillip> RRSAgent, bye
16:01:23 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:01:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: all: review working with time zones with an eye to publishing to wider review for next week  [1]
16:01:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-i18n-irc#T15-09-52
16:01:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kenny to ask the Korean HTML5 Interest Group what should happen if "word-break: keep-all" is used with "word-wrap: break-all" [2]
16:01:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-i18n-irc#T15-47-50
16:01:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: ask fantasai what bits of CSS3 are most interested in being commented upon [3]
16:01:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-i18n-irc#T15-51-37
16:01:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: move the two I18N meetings so that they don't overlap [4]
16:01:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-i18n-irc#T15-55-17
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16:40:46 <kennyluck> RRSAgent, bye
17:17:12 <r12a> rrsagent, make log public
17:17:17 <r12a> rssagent, bye
17:17:24 <r12a> rrsagent, bye
17:17:24 <RRSAgent> I see no action items