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14:41:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
14:41:31 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 19 minutes
14:41:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
14:41:32 <trackbot> Date: 01 December 2010
14:42:48 <dom> Regrets+ Dom
14:48:47 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Nov/0069.html
14:49:44 <fjh> Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
14:49:47 <fjh> Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
14:51:30 <fjh> Regrets+ John_Morris, Niklas_Widell, Suresh_Chitturi, Marco_Marengo
14:51:56 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
14:52:03 <Zakim> + +1.781.534.aaaa - is perhaps lgombos
14:52:15 <lgombos> Present+ Laszlo_Gombos
14:59:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:59:21 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
14:59:21 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
14:59:24 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:59:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see lgombos, fjh
14:59:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, ilkka, wmaslowski, lgombos, trackbot, shepazu, dom
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15:00:01 <Zakim> +AnssiK
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15:00:21 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
15:01:07 <cmarc> Present + Cecile_Marc
15:01:16 <Zakim> +ilkka
15:01:19 <Claes> Claes has joined #dap
15:01:39 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:01:39 <Zakim> +Vincent_Mahe
15:01:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see lgombos, fjh, AnssiK, ilkka, Vincent_Mahe
15:01:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see Claes, cmarc, AnssiK, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, ilkka, wmaslowski, lgombos, trackbot, shepazu, dom
15:02:01 <ilkka> Present+ Ilkka_Oksanen
15:02:08 <Zakim> +??P18
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15:03:00 <Zakim> + +46.1.08.01.aabb
15:03:01 <darobin> Zakim, ??P18 is me
15:03:01 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
15:03:13 <darobin> Zakim, Vincent_Mahe is cmarc 
15:03:13 <Zakim> +cmarc; got it
15:03:24 <cmarc> zakim,029912 is Cecile_Marc (not vincent_Mahe)
15:03:24 <Zakim> I don't understand you, cmarc
15:03:37 <Claes> Zakim, aabb i Claes
15:03:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aabb i Claes', Claes
15:03:42 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:03:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see lgombos, fjh, AnssiK, ilkka, cmarc, darobin, +46.1.08.01.aabb
15:03:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see maoteo, Claes, cmarc, AnssiK, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, ilkka, wmaslowski, lgombos, trackbot, shepazu, dom
15:03:48 <Zakim> +Susana
15:03:53 <Claes> Zakim, aabb is Claes
15:04:01 <Zakim> +Claes; got it
15:04:13 <maoteo> Zakim, Susana is really maoteo
15:04:22 <Claes> Present+ Claes_Nilsson
15:04:25 <Zakim> +maoteo; got it
15:04:47 <maoteo> Present+ Maria_Oteo
15:05:06 <AnssiK> ScribeNick: AnssiK
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15:05:23 <AnssiK> Topic: Announcements, meeting planning, logistics
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15:05:40 <maoteo> zakim, mute me
15:05:40 <Zakim> maoteo should now be muted
15:05:53 <darobin> Zakim, mute ilkka 
15:05:53 <Zakim> ilkka should now be muted
15:05:55 <jgiraud> Present+ Jerome_Giraud
15:06:10 <Zakim> +richt
15:06:19 <richt> Present+ Rich_Tibbett
15:06:25 <fjh> June/July 2011 F2F hosting
15:06:35 <AnssiK> fjh: we'll have to find out a host for June 2011 F2F
15:06:35 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2010Nov/0011.html
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15:07:00 <AnssiK> richt: I'll have to check if Opera is able to host, will come back
15:07:24 <maoteo> zakim, unmute me
15:07:24 <Zakim> maoteo should no longer be muted
15:08:12 <AnssiK> maoteo: I'll check if we can host as well
15:08:30 <AnssiK> fjh: should we cancel meeting around Xmas?
15:08:45 <AnssiK> s/meeting/meetings/
15:09:01 <AnssiK> darobin: I'm away during Xmas time
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15:09:30 <AnssiK> fjh: ok to cancel the two meetings 22th and 29th?
15:09:30 <Dzung_Tran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
15:09:57 <AnssiK> RESOLUTION: meeting on 22nd and 29th of Dec cancelled
15:10:12 <fjh> Apple releases Calendar, Messaging APIs modelled on work in DAP
15:10:21 <fjh>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Nov/0063.html
15:10:25 <AnssiK> fjh: do you want to talk about Apple release of Calendar, Messaging APIs?
15:10:32 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Nov/0066.html
15:10:45 <AnssiK> darobin: some people on the WG may not be able to access the resource as it's behind a login
15:10:55 <AnssiK> ... I've been talking to Apple so this may do somewhere
15:11:13 <AnssiK> ... Dean Jackson, working for Apple, clearly said on the ML that they base their work on DAP stuff
15:11:18 <fjh> s/do somewhere/go somewhere/
15:11:44 <AnssiK> lgombos: only for ad context?
15:12:35 <AnssiK> ... perhaps they see some security concerns and that's the reason they're sandboxing the APIs?
15:12:55 <AnssiK> TOPIC: Minutes approval
15:12:57 <fjh> Approve 17 November minutes
15:12:57 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Nov/att-0055/minutes-2010-11-17.html
15:13:10 <AnssiK> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 17 Nov approved
15:13:41 <AnssiK> TOPIC: HTML Media Capture API 
15:13:49 <fjh> CfC, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Nov/0054.html (Dom)
15:13:49 <fjh> ISSUE-105, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Nov/0059.html (Anne)
15:13:55 <fjh> ISSUE-105?
15:13:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- Should the capture hint in HTML Media Capture be specified through a MIME parameter? -- raised
15:13:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/105
15:14:01 <fjh> ISSUE-78?
15:14:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-78 -- Capture has a minimisation problem with EXIF data (e.g. it could be Geotagged) -- open
15:14:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/78
15:14:10 <AnssiK> darobin: should coordinate mode with HTML WG, we have feedback from Goog that it's pretty much what they implement in the Android Browser
15:14:17 <AnssiK> s/mode/more/
15:14:32 <AnssiK> ... got feedback from Anne/Opera, raised an issue
15:15:26 <AnssiK> richt: I may be able to give some feedback later on, only issue is that we don't have too much control over file picker
15:16:17 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to contact Microsoft about HTML Media Capture to get some feedback
15:16:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-308 - Contact Microsoft about HTML Media Capture to get some feedback [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-12-08].
15:17:05 <AnssiK> darobin: we'll have to get more feedback from implementors and then talk to HTML WG folks
15:17:16 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to contact Mozilla to get some feedback about HTML Media Capture
15:17:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-309 - Contact Mozilla to get some feedback about HTML Media Capture [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-12-08].
15:17:29 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to coordinate with the HTML WG on HTML Media Capture
15:17:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-310 - Coordinate with the HTML WG on HTML Media Capture [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-12-08].
15:18:39 <ilkka> zakim, unmute me
15:18:39 <Zakim> ilkka should no longer be muted
15:18:52 <darobin> In addition to the requirements already highlighted in the [HTML5] and [FILE-API] specifications, implementors should take care of additional leakage of privacy-sensitive data from captured media. For instance, embedding the user’s location in a captured media metadata (e.g. EXIF) might transmit more private data than the user might be expecting.
15:19:54 <AnssiK> frederick: how to deal with this issue?
15:20:11 <AnssiK> ... the issue of pricacy and security considerations
15:20:17 <AnssiK> ... will fire a mail to the ML
15:20:18 <AnssiK> TOPIC: Messaging API
15:20:31 <AnssiK> s/frederick/fjh/
15:20:37 <darobin> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/messaging/ new messaging API
15:20:45 <AnssiK> maoteo: did changes agreed during last F2F
15:21:49 <AnssiK> Maria walks us through tge changes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dap-commits/2010Nov/0021.html
15:22:00 <AnssiK> s/tge/the following/
15:22:15 <AnssiK> darobin: are we ok publishing a heartbeat version of the draft?
15:22:43 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to prod the list about reviewing Messaging in view of a heartbeat publication
15:22:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-311 - Prod the list about reviewing Messaging in view of a heartbeat publication [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-12-08].
15:22:50 <AnssiK> ... I should send a message to the list asking people review it
15:22:56 <AnssiK> ... anything else?
15:23:03 <AnssiK> TOPIC: Sysinfo API
15:23:06 <darobin> ISSUE-92?
15:23:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-92 -- Sysinfo, permissions for get vs monitor; -- open
15:23:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/92
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15:23:12 <AnssiK> darobin: not much to do on the call
15:23:14 <darobin> ISSUE-102?
15:23:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-102 -- Sysinfo asynchronous calls needs to be expressed in terms of events loop -- open
15:23:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/102
15:23:22 <darobin> ISSUE-64?
15:23:22 <trackbot> ISSUE-64 -- "Generic" sensors may permit discovering sensitive information -- open
15:23:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/64
15:23:35 <darobin> ISSUE-98?
15:23:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-98 -- On what data model should the contacts API be based? -- open
15:23:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/98
15:23:45 <AnssiK> TOPIC: Contacts API
15:23:51 <AnssiK> ISSUE-98?
15:23:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-98 -- On what data model should the contacts API be based? -- open
15:23:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/98
15:24:30 <Zakim> + +1.425.214.aacc
15:24:36 <darobin> close ISSUE-98
15:24:36 <trackbot> ISSUE-98 On what data model should the contacts API be based? closed
15:24:43 <AnssiK> darobin: anyone against closing?
15:24:46 <darobin> Zakim, aacc is bryan 
15:24:46 <Zakim> +bryan; got it
15:24:48 <bryan> present+ Bryan_Sullivan
15:24:49 <fjh> ISSUE-98: being dealt with in current work
15:24:49 <trackbot> ISSUE-98 On what data model should the contacts API be based? notes added
15:24:49 <AnssiK> ... (silence)
15:25:14 <AnssiK> darobin: should we pub a heartbeat of Contacts?
15:25:18 <AnssiK> richt: would be good
15:25:24 <AnssiK> darobin: objections?
15:25:42 <AnssiK> RESOLUTION: Publish a heartbeat draft of Contacts API
15:25:52 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to prepare a draft of Contacts for heartbeat
15:25:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-312 - Prepare a draft of Contacts for heartbeat [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-12-08].
15:26:12 <AnssiK> richt: I'm waiting feedback on Contacts Blob Writer
15:27:07 <AnssiK> ... so we'll l got Contacts Blob Writer, Contacts Reader API and Contacts Writer API
15:27:17 <AnssiK> ... should we combine them
15:28:21 <AnssiK> darobin: perhaps not enough people have found the drafts?
15:28:35 <AnssiK> ... sending a mail to the list may help to get feedback
15:28:42 <AnssiK> TOPIC: Security and privacy status
15:28:55 <AnssiK> fjh: there's privacy workshop next week
15:29:14 <AnssiK> ... the obvious thing to do is to check S&P sections are in the docs
15:29:39 <AnssiK> ... that's all
15:29:51 <AnssiK> TOPIC: Interop and testing
15:30:00 <AnssiK> darobin: not sure how to handle this yet
15:30:20 <AnssiK> ... we'll waiting for something to test
15:30:47 <AnssiK> fjh: we'll waiting for Contacts to morph into testable spec
15:31:00 <AnssiK> ... we can call for volunteers
15:31:25 <fjh> s/we'll waiting/open action 
15:33:10 <AnssiK> darobin: we may want to wait until LC, process-wise CR requires tests, but LC is better in practice for killing bugs
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15:33:54 <fjh_> ISSUE-78?
15:33:56 <trackbot> ISSUE-78 -- Capture has a minimisation problem with EXIF data (e.g. it could be Geotagged) -- open
15:33:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/78
15:34:08 <AnssiK> richt: Opera can look if they can contribute some code that would help
15:34:40 <AnssiK> s/they/we/
15:34:43 <darobin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/spec-prod/
15:35:41 <AnssiK> darobin: anything else on testing or IOP?
15:36:12 <AnssiK> TOPIC: Adjourn
15:36:13 <Zakim> -bryan
15:36:19 <Zakim> -maoteo
15:36:23 <fjh> Regrets for next week from me
15:36:23 <Zakim> -darobin
15:36:25 <Zakim> -lgombos
15:36:26 <Zakim> -ilkka
15:36:28 <Zakim> -AnssiK
15:36:32 <Zakim> -richt
15:36:33 <Zakim> -fjh
15:36:37 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:36:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-dap-minutes.html fjh
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15:36:42 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
15:36:44 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.781.534.aaaa, fjh, AnssiK, ilkka, +46.1.08.01.aabb, darobin, cmarc, Claes, maoteo, richt, +1.425.214.aacc, bryan
15:37:55 <fjh> Regrets+ Thomas_Roessler
15:39:06 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:39:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-dap-minutes.html fjh
15:40:01 <fjh> Regrets+ Soonho_Lee
15:40:12 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:40:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-dap-minutes.html fjh
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