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17:02:18 <Zakim> + +1.415.568.aabb
17:02:24 <plh> zakim, aaaa is James
17:02:24 <Zakim> +James; got it
17:02:39 <AndersonQuach> meeting: Web Performance Working Group
17:02:58 <plh> zakim, aabb is Christian
17:02:58 <Zakim> +Christian; got it
17:03:07 <Zakim> + +1.650.691.aacc
17:03:09 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Follow-up on the window.performance namespace.
17:03:18 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Feedback on navigation timing.
17:03:24 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Follow-up on conformance testing practices.
17:03:26 <plh> zakim, aacc is Zhiheng
17:03:26 <Zakim> +Zhiheng; got it
17:03:43 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Resource Timing and User Timing.
17:03:50 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Any other business.
17:04:05 <Zakim> + +1.425.605.aadd
17:04:26 <AndersonQuach> set logs world-visible
17:04:30 <AndersonQuach> Zakim, set logs world-visible
17:04:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'set logs world-visible', AndersonQuach
17:04:31 <plh> zakim, Microsoft has Andreson
17:04:32 <Zakim> +Andreson; got it
17:04:39 <plh> zakim, Microsoft has Anderson
17:04:39 <Zakim> +Anderson; got it
17:04:39 <AndersonQuach> rrsagent set logs world-visible
17:05:06 <AndersonQuach> present+ Christian
17:05:12 <AndersonQuach> present+ NicJansma
17:05:14 <AndersonQuach> present+ Zhiheng
17:05:16 <plh> zakim, aadd is Nik
17:05:16 <Zakim> +Nik; got it
17:05:34 <AndersonQuach> present+ plh
17:05:54 <AndersonQuach> present+ JamesSimonsen
17:05:58 <plh> Regrets+ Arvind
17:06:04 <AndersonQuach> regrets+ JasonWeber
17:06:20 <AndersonQuach> scribe: AndersonQuach
17:06:31 <AndersonQuach> list the agenda
17:07:02 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ introducing a new set of drafts
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17:12:25 <AndersonQuach> move to agenda 3
17:12:33 <AndersonQuach> topic: Follow-up on conformance testing practices.
17:12:44 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: Following a model similar to HTML5 is using
17:12:59 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: Get the repository set up.
17:15:10 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: Sent mail about best practices, two stage process: Submission, Approval.
17:15:32 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach
17:15:41 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: Can http headers be changed?
17:15:57 <AndersonQuach> plh: yes, servers are being updated to handle these requirements. Migration to finish in a couple of weeks.
17:16:46 <AndersonQuach> plh: Look into XMLHttpRequest test suites for best practices. Not yet in place. Name of the server in a couple weeks. XHR tests are on Opera servers. I can try to find a link.
17:18:04 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: Test existing of attributes, relative ordering of tests, cross-domain tests.
17:18:59 <AndersonQuach> plh: Make sure tests are automated.
17:19:23 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: may not be possible across all agents for navigation type.
17:19:36 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: Can we use automation UI software to drive browser input.
17:19:48 <AndersonQuach> plh: Probably not, that would require software on the desktop.
17:20:18 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: Cross-domain question, what are the new domains for the test servers?
17:20:23 <AndersonQuach> plh: Let me check that.
17:20:40 <plh> w3c-test.org
17:21:32 <plh> test1.w3c-test.org
17:21:36 <plh> test2.w3c-test.org
17:21:45 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: we need two different top-level domain.
17:23:03 <plh> ACTION: plh to investigate having two top-level domains
17:23:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Investigate having two top-level domains [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2010-12-01].
17:23:28 <AndersonQuach> plh: Next step, someone write one test and review it.
17:23:41 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: We can look into following up with this.
17:23:51 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: TonyG has some tests he would like to submit.
17:23:55 <AndersonQuach> regrets+ TonyG
17:24:15 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: next meeting let's review and go through the approval process for new test cases.
17:24:43 <AndersonQuach> plh: one more question about two top-level domain.
17:26:30 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: for testing of privacy requirements, within server side redirect chains.
17:26:47 <AndersonQuach> plh: we can set this up when the test server comes online.
17:26:55 <plh> close action-5
17:26:55 <trackbot> ACTION-5 Investigate having two top-level domains closed
17:27:22 <AndersonQuach> JamesSimonsen: Tony and I are adverse to using public suffix +1
17:27:45 <AndersonQuach> move to agenda 2
17:27:56 <AndersonQuach> topic+ Feedback on navigation timing.
17:28:46 <AndersonQuach> JamesSimonsen: Sub-domains may be hosted on different servers.
17:32:05 <plh> --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0602.html XmlHttpRequest Test Suite
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17:36:16 <Zakim> + +200000aaee
17:38:18 <AndersonQuach> JamesSimonsen: Same problem with app hosting sites as with Top Level domain.
17:38:20 <plh> zakim, aaee is Simon
17:38:20 <Zakim> +Simon; got it
17:38:28 <plh> Present+ Simon
17:41:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/24-webperf-minutes.html plh
17:42:15 <plh> Chair: Anderson
17:42:55 <plh> s/topic\+ Feedback/Topic: Feedback/
17:43:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/24-webperf-minutes.html plh
17:43:35 <plh> s/topic+ Feedback/Topic: Feedback/
17:43:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/24-webperf-minutes.html plh
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17:46:12 <Zakim> -Simon
17:47:30 <Zakim> +??P13
17:48:12 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: With the poll being 50 / 50 what's the decision we want to lock down towards.
17:48:31 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng, JamesSimonsen: FQDN would be the most conservative.
17:48:39 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: Although I want to increase the usefulness.
17:51:34 <plh> zakim, ??p13 is Simon
17:51:34 <Zakim> +Simon; got it
17:54:35 <AndersonQuach> list the agenda
17:55:25 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: let's move towards the default decision of being conservative, pending input from other user agents to lock down on the spec.
17:55:38 <AndersonQuach> topic: introducing a new set of drafts
17:55:53 <AndersonQuach> Anderson:Quach Let's aim to get feedback submitted by 11/29 to push a working draft by 11/30.
17:56:11 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: I want to submit a new working draft by the end of the month.
17:56:19 <AndersonQuach> move to agenda 1
17:56:26 <AndersonQuach> topic: Follow-up on the window.performance namespace.
17:56:59 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: Let's reserach the proposed names and probability of it being hit on web content.
18:00:02 <zcorpan> another thing a college wanted to get across regarding testing is a wish to use the same harness as the HTMLWG and WebApps: 
18:00:02 <zcorpan> http://test.w3.org/resources/testharness.js
18:00:39 <zhiheng> yes, that makes sense.
18:00:50 <zhiheng> I think that's what HTML WG using as well.
18:02:15 <plh> yes it is
18:02:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/24-webperf-minutes.html plh
18:03:05 <Zakim> -Plh
18:04:10 <Zakim> -James
18:04:11 <Zakim> -Nik
18:04:13 <Zakim> -Christian
18:04:16 <Zakim> -Simon
18:04:18 <AndersonQuach> Christian: Sounds like a safe approach to use the FQDN, however less useful for web developres.
18:04:27 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
18:04:57 <Zakim> -Zhiheng
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18:05:00 <Zakim> Attendees were Plh, +1.650.214.aaaa, +1.415.568.aabb, James, Christian, +1.650.691.aacc, Zhiheng, +1.425.605.aadd, Andreson, Anderson, Nik, +200000aaee, Simon
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18:17:15 <AndersonQuach> topic: Summary
18:17:32 <AndersonQuach> 1. Let's prepare a test case to review for the next Web performance meeting.
18:18:02 <AndersonQuach> 2. Get a working draft published by 11/30. Feedback to be provided by EOD 11/29.
18:21:07 <AndersonQuach> 3. Anderson to research the probability of namespace collisions for the suggested alternatives.
18:21:18 <AndersonQuach> 4. JamesSimonsen to post feedback on resource timing proposals.
18:21:59 <AndersonQuach> [Decision] moving foward with the conservative approach of FQDN for the definition of 'Same Origin' as specified in the HTML5 spec. Need to get feedback from other user agents.
18:23:19 <AndersonQuach> rrsagent, generate minutes
18:23:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/24-webperf-minutes.html AndersonQuach
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