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20:58:17 zakim, this will be 26631
20:58:17 ok, janina; I see Team_(media1)21:00Z scheduled to start in 2 minutes
20:58:25 zakim, call janina
20:58:25 ok, janina; the call is being made
20:58:26 Team_(media1)21:00Z has now started
20:58:27 +Janina
20:58:45 zakim, who's here?
20:58:45 On the phone I see Janina
20:58:46 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, JF, silvia, gfreed, oedipus_away, MichaelC, sideshow, trackbot
20:59:14 the call is restricted at this time?
20:59:17 Hi, Everyone: REMINDER Zakim Code today is 26631#
20:59:26 aha
20:59:30 John, use today';s zakim code
20:59:37 +John_Foliot
21:00:01 + +1.617.365.aaaa
21:00:06 Sean has joined #html-a11y
21:00:56 zakim, +1.617.365.aaaa is Geoff_Freed
21:00:56 +Geoff_Freed; got it
21:02:20 +silvia
21:03:39 scribe: janina
21:03:46 zakim, mute me
21:03:46 silvia should now be muted
21:04:07 Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
21:04:07 Chair: John_Foliot
21:04:07 agenda: this
21:04:07 agenda+ Identify Scribe
21:04:07 agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
21:04:08 agenda+ Candidate Formats Review: WebSRT; TTML
21:04:10 agenda+ Other Business?
21:04:12 agenda+ next meeting; Should we shift our start time?
21:04:14 agenda+ be done
21:04:26 zakim, next item
21:04:26 agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from janina]
21:04:51 If she can last, Janina will attempt to do the honors today ...
21:05:02 zakim, next item
21:05:02 agendum 1 was just opened, janina
21:05:09 zakim, close item 1
21:05:09 agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed
21:05:10 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:05:11 2. Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open [from janina]
21:05:19 zakim, next item
21:05:19 agendum 2. "Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
21:05:23 conference code?
21:06:59 zakim, code?
21:06:59 the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), silvia
21:07:36 the code is not letting me in. says restricted at this time
21:07:56 Sean, you need to use 26631#
21:08:17 It's our special zakim code for today only -- 26631#
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21:08:43 +Sean_Hayes
21:09:13 zakim, whos here
21:09:13 I don't understand 'whos here', JF
21:09:21 zakim who is here
21:09:31 zakim, who's here?
21:09:31 On the phone I see Janina, John_Foliot, Geoff_Freed, silvia (muted), Sean_Hayes
21:09:34 On IRC I see JF, Sean, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, silvia, gfreed, oedipus_away, MichaelC, sideshow, trackbot
21:12:17 agenda?
21:13:44 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/67
21:13:52 zakim, unmute me
21:13:52 silvia should no longer be muted
21:14:17 re action 67 on to file bugs we will close action 67
21:14:28 close action-67
21:14:29 ACTION-67 And Silvia (and perhaps Eric) to file bugs to tweak language in Editors draft closed
21:14:35 re action 68 on jf --
21:14:36 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/68
21:14:48 leave open
21:15:08 re action 69 on silvia -
21:15:15 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/69
21:15:27 done
21:15:36 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/TextFormat_Mapping_to_Requirements
21:15:46 close action-69
21:15:46 ACTION-69 Work up checklist table for WebSRT closed
21:15:49 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/76
21:16:30 close action-76
21:16:31 ACTION-76 Replace the technology column in our matrix with Frank's categorizations closed
21:16:48 leave action-76 open for now
21:16:59 OK, we'll close it!
21:17:23 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/88
21:19:14 Biggest issue is how to get data from client to server
21:19:25 Silvia is part of the Wg
21:19:46 This action was cloned from PF which was interested in general.
21:20:01 PF cloned it because it seemed particularly appropriate to Media in HTML
21:20:18 We'll leave it open for now.
21:20:22 zakim, next ietm
21:20:22 I don't understand 'next ietm', janina
21:20:28 zakim, next item
21:20:28 agendum 3. "Candidate Formats Review: WebSRT; TTML" taken up [from janina]
21:21:58 http://sn1-pptbroadcast.officeapps.live.com/PowerPointBroadcast.aspx?pptbid=c399ec9a-0ac9-40f5-a4b0-ee98aa0460d7
21:22:24 This is Sean's web slide presentation ...
21:27:50 Designed to support multiple formats, smil compatible
21:28:04 Can construct own profile in xml
21:28:29 Supports custom timing
21:28:47 Requires a default lang, but inline lang also supported
21:29:19 Can define custom profile, or use one of the provided standard profiles
21:29:37 Hierarchy: div, p, span ...
21:30:00 Netflicks captioning in DFXP
21:32:14 It's one level -- cannot div inside a div
21:32:59 zakim, mute me
21:32:59 silvia should now be muted
21:34:45 Style defining authoring intent
21:35:33 Allows grouping of inline styles, so that locating captions doesn't become overly verbose
21:35:57 If wanted css, would apply over that
21:36:42 CSS styling would work--it's just external to TTML itself
21:36:46 zakim, unmute me
21:36:46 silvia should no longer be muted
21:38:19 User styling overide would use an external style sheet
21:38:35 zakim, mute me
21:38:35 silvia should now be muted
21:38:39 JF: Could we create a profile that disallowed internal ttml styling?
21:38:45 Sean: Yes, will address shortly
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21:40:35 -Janina
21:40:43 zakim, drop janina
21:40:43 sorry, janina, I do not see a party named 'janina'
21:40:48 zakim, call janina
21:40:48 ok, janina; the call is being made
21:40:49 +Janina
21:41:48 q+
21:42:00 zakim, unmute me
21:42:00 silvia should no longer be muted
21:42:06 Style can reference a previous style block
21:42:21 -Janina
21:42:45 zakim drop me
21:42:51 zakim, call janina
21:42:51 ok, janina; the call is being made
21:42:52 +Janina
21:43:05 zakim, drop janina
21:43:05 Janina is being disconnected
21:43:07 -Janina
21:43:13 zakim, call janina
21:43:13 ok, janina; the call is being made
21:43:14 +Janina
21:43:55 Would a browser that implements ttml need to implement ttml styling, or at least a mapping to css
21:44:22 Most maps to css2, some only to css3
21:44:35 Silvia: So mapping is required?
21:44:43 Sean: Yes, will discuss shortly
21:44:49 zakim, mute me
21:44:49 silvia should now be muted
21:45:03 JF wonders about browser extensions (common in emergent CSS3)
21:45:19 TTML pub date is tomorrow -- Thursday, 18 November
21:45:30 zakim, make log public
21:45:30 I don't understand 'make log public', janina
21:45:40 zakim, make minutes public
21:45:40 I don't understand 'make minutes public', janina
21:45:45 zakim, make minutes
21:45:45 I don't understand 'make minutes', janina
21:45:54 rrsagent, make log public
21:46:00 rrsagent, make minutes
21:46:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/17-html-a11y-minutes.html janina
21:46:31 BBC is using for English and Welsh captions
21:47:11 Several iptv players, some ed sites, and free conversion tools supporting ttml
21:47:50 q+
21:48:21 zakim, unmute me
21:48:21 silvia should no longer be muted
21:48:21 Geoff: NCAM has player -- Adobe flash uses ttml
21:49:04 Silvia: How much content uses more than just basic ml?
21:49:26 zakim, mute me
21:49:26 silvia should now be muted
21:49:57 Sean: several authoring tools that are quite complete
21:50:14 Sean: From what appears on line, more than the basics
21:50:41 jf: the jw player also supports ttml profile
21:50:45 zakim, unmute me
21:50:45 silvia should no longer be muted
21:51:02 Silvia: which?
21:51:07 jf: same as adobe?
21:51:15 Silvia: which does adobe support?
21:51:26 jf: xml like
21:51:33 basic profile
21:51:41 zakim, mute me
21:51:41 silvia should now be muted
21:53:08 Sean: Next slide, Moby Dick slide, added DC metadata, and showing structured nav points
21:53:33 Sean: Shows a straight forward extension of ttml, not implemented anywhere yet
21:57:01 Sean: Pretty straight forward mapping for IE9 and Firefox, a bit more problematic for Safari
21:57:03 +Judy
21:57:22 zakim, unmute me
21:57:22 silvia should no longer be muted
21:57:54 Sean: http://www.mirovideoconverter.com/ <- ogg encoder
21:59:05 zakim, mute me
21:59:05 silvia should now be muted
21:59:53 jf: could one create a block for caption text that enlarged text?
22:00:24 zakim, unmute me
22:00:24 silvia should no longer be muted
22:00:27 Sean: Yes, mapping at each time segment
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22:01:04 Kenny, we're at zakim code 26631 today only
22:02:32 thanks janina. will join in a sec
22:03:01 http://www.3playmedia.com/
22:03:09 zakim, mute me
22:03:09 silvia should now be muted
22:03:11 Discussion on locating caption text -- over video or alongside?
22:03:17 + +039038aabb
22:03:24 Sean: My ttml profile supports anywhere
22:03:45 zakim, who is here?
22:03:45 On the phone I see Janina, John_Foliot, Geoff_Freed, silvia (muted), Sean_Hayes, Judy, +039038aabb
22:03:47 On IRC I see kenny_j, Sean, JF, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, silvia, gfreed, oedipus_away, MichaelC, sideshow, trackbot
22:06:14 zakim, +039038aabb is Kenny_Johar
22:06:14 +Kenny_Johar; got it
22:06:34 zakim, unmute me
22:06:34 silvia should no longer be muted
22:07:07 Geoff: There are other applications of TTML in the works, and I believe it's use is much wider than Sean showed.
22:07:31 Geoff: Uptick because it's a W3C recommendation (tomorrow)
22:07:52 Silvia now presenting on WebSRT
22:07:53 http://blog.gingertech.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/WebSRT/#slide1
22:08:35 -Sean_Hayes
22:08:36 -Judy
22:09:46 can someone remind me of the code
22:10:04 zakim, code?
22:10:04 the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), silvia
22:10:07 26631
22:10:50 +Sean_Hayes
22:12:40 SRT was attractive to me because it's so trivial to parse.
22:13:07 q+
22:13:24 Mozilla's current official position is that ttml not compatible with how Mozilla wants to handle captions
22:14:14 I want to leave that aside, though, and look at this from our requirements perspective
22:17:40 WebSRT has been developed specifically for html5, expanding on SRT
22:18:08 Intent is that people can post their SRT files on the web, and they'll just work ...
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22:19:46 +Plh
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22:20:21 Silvia's explaining ml in slide 3
22:20:42 plh: http://blog.gingertech.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/WebSRT/#slide3
22:21:59 Looking at slide 4 -- WebSRT for captions, texted video descriptions, subtitles, and kareoke
22:22:07 rrsagent, where am I?
22:22:07 See http://www.w3.org/2010/11/17-html-a11y-irc#T22-22-07
22:22:46 PLH: We're on zakim 26631, if you want to join
22:23:32 Minimal ml available for text, by intent
22:24:13 janina, I'm on the bridge
22:24:30 Great, PLH.
22:26:16 Slide 6 -- Showing how it comes together
22:26:32 Chapters there for navigation, using identifier plus start/end time
22:27:57 jf: asking about hierarchical navigation?
22:28:57 Silvia: WebSRT is still flexible, we can still fix shortcomings, don't know how open Ian is to that, though
22:29:29 Silvia: Hierarchical nav now only possible if we use multiple files--other workarounds
22:31:27 Geoff: Assuming these slides show what Ian has defined for WebSRT as of now, correct?
22:31:31 Silvia: Yes.
22:32:33 q+
22:32:47 q-
22:34:09 ack s
22:34:12 ack j
22:34:29 +Judy
22:36:03 Silvia: Supports a voice ml, so can identify speaker, or a segment of music, etc
22:37:10 Silvia: All chars are utf8, unlike previous SRT wich code use any encoding
22:39:32 Silvia: Looking at use cases, video description,
22:39:39 Silvia: word by word timing ...
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22:40:17 Link for Judy: http://blog.gingertech.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/WebSRT/#slide10
22:40:19 Silvia: metadata example -- html parsable
22:40:26 http://blog.gingertech.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/WebSRT/#slide10
22:41:18 Silvia: Jason ml would also be supported
22:42:05 Silvia: Jason is for archiving databases, appreciated by large sites with many many files
22:43:57 Silvia: Slide 12 shows ml that's currently allowed by WebSRT
22:45:48 Silvia: Slide 13 showing Japanese
22:47:13