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14:14:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
14:14:19 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 46 minutes
14:14:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
14:14:20 <trackbot> Date: 17 November 2010
14:14:54 <fjh> Regrets+ John_Morris, Marco_Marengo, Suresh_Chitturi
14:15:36 <fjh> Regrets+ Robin_Berjon
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14:24:42 <soonho> Present+ Soonho_Lee
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14:40:06 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
14:40:15 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
14:40:24 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Nov/0049.html
14:41:30 <fjh> Regrets+ Claes_Nilsson
14:56:36 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
14:56:43 <Zakim> +??P0
14:56:46 <fjh> zakim, ??P0 is me
14:56:46 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
14:58:44 <cmarc> cmarc has joined #dap
14:58:54 <cmarc> Present+ Cecile_Marc
14:59:36 <dom> Zakim, code?
14:59:36 <Zakim> the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), dom
14:59:46 <dom> dom has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Nov/0049.html
15:00:10 <Zakim> + +358.504.86aaaa
15:00:10 <Zakim> +Dom
15:00:20 <ilkka> zakim, aaaa is ilkka
15:00:20 <Zakim> +ilkka; got it
15:00:21 <dom> Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
15:00:29 <ilkka> Present+ Ilkka_Oksanen
15:00:31 <dom> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:00:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, ilkka, Dom
15:00:43 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:00:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, ilkka, Dom
15:00:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see cmarc, fjh, Marcos, soonho, Zakim, RRSAgent, JonathanJ, richt, wmaslowski, ilkka, lgombos, trackbot, dom
15:01:07 <richt> richt has joined #dap
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15:01:55 <maoteo> Present+ Maria_Oteo
15:02:19 <Zakim> + +1.781.266.aabb
15:03:27 <dom> Zakim, aabb probably Cathy_Chan
15:03:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aabb probably Cathy_Chan', dom
15:03:34 <dom> Zakim, aabb is probably Cathy_Chan
15:03:34 <Zakim> +Cathy_Chan?; got it
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15:03:55 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:03:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, ilkka, Dom, Cathy_Chan?
15:03:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see AnssiK, maoteo, richt, cmarc, fjh, Marcos, soonho, Zakim, RRSAgent, JonathanJ, wmaslowski, ilkka, lgombos, trackbot, dom
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15:04:43 <Zakim> + +358.504.86aacc
15:04:45 <Zakim> + +34.97.421.aadd
15:04:46 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
15:04:53 <AnssiK> zakim, aacc is AnssiK
15:04:53 <Zakim> +AnssiK; got it
15:05:05 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.15.aaee
15:05:10 <Zakim> +??P8
15:05:15 <maoteo> Zakim, aadd is maoteo
15:05:15 <Zakim> +maoteo; got it
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15:05:18 <cathy> Present+ Cathy_Chan
15:05:26 <nwidell> Zakim, aaee is nwidell
15:05:26 <Zakim> +nwidell; got it
15:05:33 <nwidell> Present+ Niklas_Widell
15:05:36 <jgiraud> Present+ Jerome_Giraud
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15:06:14 <dcoloma> Present+ Daniel_Coloma
15:06:41 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:06:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, ilkka, Dom, Cathy_Chan?, AnssiK, maoteo, nwidell, ??P8
15:06:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see dcoloma, jgiraud, cathy, nwidell, AnssiK, maoteo, richt, cmarc, fjh, Marcos, soonho, Zakim, RRSAgent, JonathanJ, wmaslowski, ilkka, lgombos, trackbot, dom
15:07:38 <Zakim> + +44.757.091.aaff
15:07:46 <richt> zakim, aaff is me
15:07:46 <Zakim> +richt; got it
15:07:51 <Zakim> + +1.781.534.aagg
15:07:53 <richt> Present+ Richard_Tibbett
15:08:19 <soonho> Zakim, ??P8 is soonho
15:08:19 <Zakim> +soonho; got it
15:08:20 <lgombos> Present+ Laszlo_Gombos
15:08:23 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:08:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, ilkka, Dom, Cathy_Chan?, AnssiK, maoteo, nwidell, soonho, richt, +1.781.534.aagg
15:08:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see dcoloma, jgiraud, cathy, nwidell, AnssiK, maoteo, richt, cmarc, fjh, Marcos, soonho, Zakim, RRSAgent, JonathanJ, wmaslowski, ilkka, lgombos, trackbot, dom
15:08:28 <dom> Zakim, aagg is probably Laszlo
15:08:28 <Zakim> +Laszlo?; got it
15:08:48 <lgombos> zakim, aagg is me
15:08:48 <Zakim> sorry, lgombos, I do not recognize a party named 'aagg'
15:09:07 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:09:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, ilkka, Dom, Cathy_Chan?, AnssiK, maoteo, nwidell, soonho, richt, Laszlo?
15:09:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see dcoloma, jgiraud, cathy, nwidell, AnssiK, maoteo, richt, cmarc, fjh, Marcos, soonho, Zakim, RRSAgent, JonathanJ, wmaslowski, ilkka, lgombos, trackbot, dom
15:09:15 <maoteo> scribeNick: maoteo
15:09:21 <dom> Zakim, aagg is really lgombos
15:09:21 <Zakim> sorry, dom, I do not recognize a party named 'aagg'
15:09:28 <dom> Zakim, laszlo is really lgombos
15:09:28 <Zakim> +lgombos; got it
15:09:32 <Zakim> +Vincent_Mahe
15:10:04 <maoteo> TOPIC: Administrativia
15:10:06 <fjh> If you attended this year's TPAC meeting, the W3C created a related survey for your feedback: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/tpac2010-feedback/
15:10:19 <fjh> 2011 1H publishing moratorium 13-18 May, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2010Nov/0006.html
15:10:29 <maoteo> fjh: there is a survey for getting feedback about TPAC
15:10:43 <maoteo> fjh: can we approve the F2F minutes?
15:10:58 <maoteo> TOPIC: Minutes approval
15:11:01 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Nov/att-0047/minutes-2010-11-04.html
15:11:01 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Nov/att-0047/minutes-2010-11-05.html
15:11:16 <maoteo> RESOLUTION: The F2F minutes were approved
15:11:26 <maoteo> TOPIC: Media Capture API
15:11:33 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Nov/0048.html 
15:11:53 <maoteo> ilkka: sent a summary to the mailing list about the changes done
15:11:54 <fjh> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/Overview-API.html
15:12:07 <maoteo> ... the biggest change is about supported video/audio formats
15:12:08 <fjh> In a nutshell Capture API is not anymore using MediaFileData interface
15:12:08 <fjh> from HTML Media Capture spec as MediaFileData can't describe well
15:12:08 <fjh> available image, audio and video modes. To replace MediaFileData I added
15:12:09 <fjh> new ConfigurationData interface that currently contains height, width,
15:12:09 <fjh> and MIME type attributes.
15:12:26 <fjh> dditionally user of the API is now able to select one of the available
15:12:26 <fjh> image/audio/video modes while starting the capture process. Updated
15:12:27 <fjh> example illustrates this.
15:12:41 <fjh> s/dditionally/Additionally
15:13:46 <maoteo> ... users can select the supported mode for image/audio/video
15:13:55 <maoteo> ... with the latest version of the spec.
15:14:43 <maoteo> ... Another change is that former API used MediaFileData
15:15:11 <maoteo> ... that was not very well suited for capture API, so I have added a separate interface for that.
15:15:56 <AnssiK> q+ to ask about default mode
15:16:27 <fjh> ack AnssiK
15:16:27 <Zakim> AnssiK, you wanted to ask about default mode
15:16:28 <maoteo> fjh: is it stable now, should we launch a CFC?
15:17:08 <maoteo> AnssiK: should we specify the default mode in case no mode is specified by developer? or should it be decided by the implementors?
15:17:43 <maoteo> ilkka: currently no default mode concept, if the parameter is not present, the behaviour is not specified.
15:17:55 <maoteo> ... it may make sense to specify it.
15:18:45 <maoteo> AnssiK: How can I know the characteristics of a mode without launching the capture method?
15:19:50 <Zakim> -nwidell
15:20:29 <Zakim> +nwidell
15:20:29 <maoteo> fjh: do we need any changes in the API to address AnssiK coments?
15:20:40 <maoteo> AnssiK: no changes required, happy as it is
15:21:08 <maoteo> fjh: suggestion, one extra week to review it and decide to go for CFC during next call
15:22:00 <maoteo> ilkka: No rush to publish a media capture API as it was published recently
15:22:14 <maoteo> s/publish a/publish a new/
15:22:31 <maoteo> TOPIC: Sysinfo
15:22:41 <fjh> ACTION-294?
15:22:41 <trackbot> ACTION-294 -- Richard Tibbett to create an editors draft for new proposed network connection API -- due 2010-11-11 -- OPEN
15:22:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/294
15:22:57 <maoteo> fjh: There was an action to create a new draft based on a new model (294)
15:23:11 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:23:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, ilkka, Dom, Cathy_Chan?, AnssiK, maoteo, soonho, richt, lgombos, Vincent_Mahe, nwidell
15:23:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see dcoloma, jgiraud, cathy, nwidell, AnssiK, maoteo, richt, cmarc, fjh, Marcos, soonho, Zakim, RRSAgent, JonathanJ, wmaslowski, ilkka, lgombos, trackbot, dom
15:23:48 <maoteo> cannot hear what richt is saying
15:23:55 <maoteo> can you please summarize in IRC
15:24:46 <maoteo> richt: I will create a new proposal for this API, there is a lot of work to be done
15:25:19 <maoteo> ... an API only for network connection might be simpler
15:25:24 <fjh> general agreement that no consensus at this point
15:25:43 <maoteo> fjh: Need to wait for richt proposal
15:25:49 <maoteo> TOPIC: Contacts
15:26:11 <dom> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/Writer.html
15:26:16 <dom> (also linked from DAP home page)
15:26:17 <maoteo> fjh: is there an editor's draft for contacts writing?
15:26:28 <maoteo> richt: I sent an e-mail with the info
15:26:48 <maoteo> ... available at http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/Writer.html
15:26:56 <dom> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Nov/0002.html
15:27:08 <richt> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Nov/0027.html
15:27:25 <maoteo> ... the e-mail is available at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Nov/0027.html
15:28:05 <maoteo> ... this is for creating a Contact Blob Writer
15:28:19 <maoteo> ... Now we have two competing ways to write contacts. 
15:28:39 <richt> Contact Blob Writer spec is here: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/BlobWriter.html
15:28:48 <maoteo> fjh: can somebody take an action to review it?
15:28:54 <dom> ACTION: Dom to review Contact Blob writer proposal http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/BlobWriter.html
15:28:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-306 - Review Contact Blob writer proposal http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/BlobWriter.html [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2010-11-24].
15:29:02 <maoteo> dom: I can review the new API
15:30:08 <maoteo> richt: It would be good to stabilize the API and go soon for a Last Call
15:30:25 <maoteo> ... and start working on test cases
15:30:33 <fjh> plan to publish updated WD of contacts api, http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/Overview.html
15:30:42 <maoteo> dom: what is preventing us from going to last call at this stage?
15:31:13 <fjh> q+ to ask about testing changes before Last Call
15:31:23 <dom> there are 5 open issues with Contacts API http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/products/5
15:31:24 <maoteo> richt: The reader side at least is quite solid
15:32:42 <maoteo> dom: the only problem could be still having open issues on the API 
15:32:48 <fjh> need to review issues related to contacts before last call
15:32:52 <fjh> q?
15:32:54 <fjh> q-
15:33:45 <fjh> action: rich to send email to list with resolutions for open issues against contacts, clarifying status
15:33:45 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - rich
15:33:53 <maoteo> richt: I will review the open issues and send an e-mail
15:34:03 <fjh> action: richt to send email to list with resolutions for open issues against contacts, clarifying status
15:34:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-307 - Send email to list with resolutions for open issues against contacts, clarifying status [on Richard Tibbett - due 2010-11-24].
15:34:57 <maoteo> fjh: Can we do a CFC via e-mail or do we need to wait for next call?
15:35:09 <JonathanJ> JonathanJ has left #DAP
15:35:12 <maoteo> ... for the Last Call of the Contacts API.
15:36:20 <maoteo> fjh: none of the chairs will be around next week, so it may be better to wait for the following call 
15:36:45 <maoteo> dom: I suggest to wait for the review of the open issues before deciding what to do
15:37:02 <richt> dom, agreed
15:37:27 <fjh> next steps: rich to send closure of contacts issues, WG and chairs to review and agree, then CfC for Last Call for Contacts API
15:38:10 <maoteo> TOPIC: Messaging
15:38:40 <fjh> parameterization deferred, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Nov/0052.html
15:38:43 <dom> ACTION-302?
15:38:43 <trackbot> ACTION-302 -- Maria Angeles Oteo to morph Messaging API into an API that wraps URI schemes options and adds attachment/success callback, and split off subscription -- due 2010-11-12 -- OPEN
15:38:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/302
15:38:46 <maoteo> fjh: is the parameterization deferred?
15:40:05 <maoteo> maoteo: I have distributed the proposal with the other editors
15:40:11 <fjh> maria- plan to publish update later this week
15:40:14 <maoteo> ... could upload it to the CVS by end of this week
15:40:31 <maoteo> TOPIC: Other APIs
15:40:38 <maoteo> fjh: Gallery, any update?
15:41:04 <maoteo> TOPIC: Security and Privacy
15:41:20 <maoteo> fjh: no concrete actions or updates at this point
15:42:00 <maoteo> TOPIC: Interop and testing
15:42:06 <fjh> Information on WebApps/HTML5 javascript framework
15:42:13 <dom> http://test.w3.org/resources/testharness.js
15:42:29 <dom> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Nov/
15:42:40 <dom> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Nov/0055.html
15:42:46 <maoteo> fjh: Do we have something we should share with regards to the test framework?
15:43:15 <maoteo> dom: There has been already some discussions on the html testsuite mailing list
15:43:34 <fjh> to see your actions, use http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/users/my
15:43:45 <maoteo> TOPIC: Actions
15:44:03 <maoteo> fjh: you can can check them on http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/users/my
15:44:41 <maoteo> fjh: where are we with regards to the Calendar discussions?
15:45:02 <maoteo> richt: we have an action to rewrite the calendar API, based in x-calendar
15:45:10 <maoteo> ... it is quite a long specification
15:45:36 <maoteo> ... I cannot dedicate all the time it needs
15:46:17 <richt> If someone else would like to work on the Calendar API, please step forward!
15:46:30 <maoteo> fjh: No call next week
15:46:41 <richt> I will certainly continue to assist with optimisations that we have in e.g. Contacts API (i.e. data minimization, etc).
15:46:45 <maoteo> ... next call will take place 1st December
15:46:57 <Zakim> -AnssiK
15:46:59 <Zakim> -Dom
15:47:01 <Zakim> -richt
15:47:02 <Zakim> -maoteo
15:47:02 <Zakim> -ilkka
15:47:04 <Zakim> -nwidell
15:47:04 <Zakim> -Cathy_Chan?
15:47:05 <Zakim> -fjh
15:47:05 <Zakim> -lgombos
15:47:11 <Zakim> -Vincent_Mahe
15:47:12 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:47:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/17-dap-minutes.html fjh
15:47:42 <Zakim> -soonho
15:47:43 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
15:47:45 <Zakim> Attendees were fjh, +358.504.86aaaa, Dom, ilkka, +1.781.266.aabb, Cathy_Chan?, +358.504.86aacc, +34.97.421.aadd, AnssiK, +46.1.07.15.aaee, maoteo, nwidell, +44.757.091.aaff, richt,
15:47:48 <Zakim> ... +1.781.534.aagg, soonho, Laszlo?, lgombos, Vincent_Mahe
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