20:29:33 RRSAgent has joined #ws-ra 20:29:33 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/11/16-ws-ra-irc 20:29:35 RRSAgent, make logs public 20:29:35 Zakim has joined #ws-ra 20:29:37 Zakim, this will be WSRA 20:29:37 ok, trackbot, I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM already started 20:29:38 Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference 20:29:38 Date: 16 November 2010 20:29:42
  • li has joined #ws-ra 20:29:47 Katy has joined #ws-ra 20:29:56 +Igor_Sedukhin 20:29:58 Ashok has joined #ws-ra 20:30:25 Tom_Rutt has joined #ws-ra 20:30:54 + +1.908.696.aabb 20:31:01 +Ashok_Malhotra 20:31:13 asir has joined #ws-ra 20:32:02 +Tom_Rutt 20:32:13 +[Microsoft] 20:32:27 zakim, [Microsoft] is asir 20:32:27 +asir; got it 20:33:03 zakim, Igor_Sedukhin is Wei 20:33:03 +Wei; got it 20:34:23 -Gilbert_Pilz 20:34:28 + +1.571.262.aacc 20:35:10 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Nov/0005.html 20:35:10 +Gilbert_Pilz 20:35:19 +Yves 20:35:41 Topic: Agenda 20:35:45 agenda accepted 20:35:56 +Wu_Chou 20:35:57 Topic: approval of last minutes 5th oct 20:35:59 zakim, who is making noise 20:35:59 I don't understand 'who is making noise', gpilz 20:36:07 minutes accepted 20:36:38 wuchou has joined #ws-ra 20:36:43 Topic: 11189 20:37:02
  • drop off to join wu 20:37:19 - +1.908.696.aabb 20:37:37 zakim, who is noisy? 20:37:47 Bob_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ashok_Malhotra (4%), asir (62%) 20:39:09 proposals in http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11189 20:39:46 +??P2 20:42:13 -Gilbert_Pilz 20:43:18 Ashok: would it be possible to separate out the inlining from the dialect attribute 20:44:17 q+ 20:44:44 ack next 20:44:55 q+ 20:45:02 ... make it oorthogonal to dialect 20:45:17 ack dug 20:45:49 +Gilbert_Pilz 20:45:55 q+ 20:46:08 ack tom 20:46:14 Dave has joined #ws-ra 20:46:15 Doug: Depends whether they are always orthogonal. Prop 1 restricts to one content for all metadata 20:46:55 Tom: Concerned that prop 1 would remove function at this point. Preference for 3 20:46:55 I'm leaning towards 3 too 20:47:13 q+ to ask a question 20:47:26 ack asir 20:47:26 asir, you wanted to ask a question 20:47:40 Asir: There is a similar content attribute on the delete message 20:48:23 Doug: I don't think that this is an issue as we don't have a notion of deleting all the metadata, hence tying content attribute to dialect is ok for delete 20:48:49 RESOLUTION: Proposal 3 20:49:04 ACTION: Katy to write up text for proposal 3 20:49:05 Created ACTION-171 - Write up text for proposal 3 [on Katy Warr - due 2010-11-23]. 20:49:20 Topic: Issue 11202 20:50:25 Issue accepted, no objection 20:51:08 I vaguely recollect that this was requested by WSO2/Paul Freemantle 20:52:10 RESOLUTION: 11202 is resolved as proposed in issue 20:52:20 Topic: Issue 11210 20:54:33 Resolution: 11210 is resolved as proposed in issue 20:55:12 Gil: Have sent email containing new issue in eventing 20:56:26 Bob: I will use your proposal as potential resolution to 10960 20:56:48 Topic: Feature lists 20:57:20 Bob: Is there any more known work required for these feature lists? 20:57:55 ... as no more known work will use these as base 20:58:42 ... I will pull all the feature lists from emails and organise on page so people have a uniform place to find 20:58:56 Action: Bob to pull feature list info together 20:58:56 Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Bob 20:58:56 Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. bnatale, rfreund) 20:59:09 Action: rfreund to pull feature list info together 20:59:09 Created ACTION-172 - Pull feature list info together [on Bob Freund - due 2010-11-23]. 20:59:24 q+ 20:59:32 Topic: Primers 20:59:47 ack dug 21:00:04 Bob: Make primers documents so we can start raising issues etc 21:01:10 Doug: Some text in transfer/frag is same for others 21:01:19 ... so could consolidate 21:02:18 Action: rfreund to organise documents in central location on our web page 21:02:18 Created ACTION-173 - Organise documents in central location on our web page [on Bob Freund - due 2010-11-23]. 21:02:43 Topic: Next F2F 21:03:10 Bob: would like to pick a date so that we get some testing started 21:04:33 Asir: Ram said that February (mid) would be provisionally ok but would like a checkpoint in early Jan prior to committing 21:05:08 Bob: A checkpoint a month before the scheduled date would seem resonable before commit 21:05:32 wsirc_420377 has joined #ws-ra 21:05:52 wsirc_420377 has left #ws-ra 21:06:19 ... suggest Jan 11th checkpoint for Feb 14th meeting 21:06:28 Anyone care about valentine's day? 21:07:12 Gil: need to check availability of conference centre 21:07:53 Bob: Tues 15th, Wed 16th, Thurs 17th Feb? Objections? 21:08:13 No objections 21:08:28 Bob: Gil please check that you can host 21:09:34 Resolution: F2F provisionally set for 15-17th Feb, focus interop testing, will perform checkpoint to confirm date one month before. 21:09:47 Topic: Issue 8284 21:10:55 http://ws-i.org/profiles/BasicProfile-1.2-2010-11-09.html#wsdlcorrections 21:11:00 Bob: WS-I BP are final so we can add the final URIs 21:11:01 is there a specific text that we should be looking at 21:11:14 http://ws-i.org/profiles/BasicProfile-2.0-2010-11-09.html#wsdlcorrections 21:11:38 original proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jan/0142.html 21:12:59 q+ 21:13:21 Bob: How is it best to wrap this into our wsdl references 21:13:36 ack asir 21:14:29 Asir: there is a proposal from Gil dated Nov 13th 2009 21:15:06 The version of WSDL 1.1 at http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/NOTE-wsdl-20010315 has 21:15:07 known problems and inconsistencies. These were addressed in BasicProfile 21:15:09 Version 1.1. The WS-RA specs should reference the BP-corrected-version of WSDL 21:15:10 1.1 via ISO IEC 29361:2008: 21:15:12 http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=45422 21:15:32 Dave has joined #ws-ra 21:15:42 but it's not a freely available copy 21:16:10 of course we need to replace ISO link to BP 12 and 20 21:18:37 asir: Whereever link to wsdl 1.1 with a note saying that there are issues to wsdl 1.1 that are addressed in latest BP 1.2 and 2.0 plus linke. In normative reference section. 21:19:08 Bob: Annotate references 21:20:11 Resolution: existing wsdl references (in bibliographies) should be annotated with appropriate links to BP 1.2 and 2.0 21:20:21 TopicL Issue 10960 21:20:51 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Oct/0042.html 21:21:00 Topic: Issue 10960 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10960 21:21:13 http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/10/10/wseventing-expires.doc 21:21:43 Doug and I have put together the following proposal to address the WS-Eventing issues we have raised: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/10/10/wseventing-expires.doc 21:21:44 To highlight the major changes: 21:21:46 * The wse:Subscribe/wse:Expires element is no longer receiver-optional, but it remains sender-optional; an implementation of an Event Source MUST support the wse:Expires element, but a Subscriber is not required to include it. If the Subscriber does not include it, the Event Source/Subscription Manager is required to pick some expiration value ("PT0S" meaning infinite is a valid choice)... 21:21:48 ...and communicate this using wse:SubscribeResponse/wse:GrantedExpires. 21:21:50 * The ExpiresNotSupported fault has been removed. 21:21:52 * The wse:SubscribeResponse/wse:GrantedExpires and wse:RenewResponse/wse:GrantedExpires elements are no longer optional. 21:21:54 * The ExpiresSupported policy parameter has been removed. 21:21:56 * The MaxExpires policy parameter has been renamed "Expires" and now supports both min and max supported expiration times. 21:21:58 ~ gp 21:22:22 Bob: this has been available for comment for a while 21:22:48 ... any objection to accepting the combined proposal in the word document as a resolution to this issue? 21:24:59 Resolution: Issue 10960 resolved based on proposal 21:25:53 q+ 21:26:38 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access-comments/2010Nov/0000.html 21:26:55 ack dug 21:26:56 Gil: REfered to message on public comment list from Anish - link above 21:27:44 q+ 21:27:51 Doug: Basically looking for EventDescription spec to have a file extension for event description files (like .wsdl) 21:28:01 ack asir 21:28:16 ... is this just a de-facto 'standard' 21:28:57 Asir: Other specs specify a MIME type. This is probably what Anish is refering to. 21:29:09 http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/REC-ws-policy-20070904/#media-type 21:29:18 Additional Information / File Extension 21:30:43 Asir: there is a process for getting the mime type 21:31:33 Bob: Do folk think this might be an appropriate solution - think about for next time 21:31:37 I would note http://www.w3.org/2002/06/registering-mediatype.html 21:31:50 Bob: Also reviewing of primers for next time 21:32:00 ... I would like to get to CR status 21:32:27 ... Any objections to end of 2nd week of December for CR 21:33:07 Bob: Will open a bug for Anish's comment 21:33:35 q+ 21:33:36 Bob: CR is formal step saying we think we are done and call for implementations 21:33:53 ack tom 21:33:53 ... any formal objections that exist need to be presented 21:34:08 Tom: will all the at-risk stuff be done during CR? 21:34:44 q+ 21:35:01 ack asir 21:35:03 Bob: yes in order to promote to cr at risk needs to be identified, we think we have 2 implementations for each spec (except enum) 21:35:44 q+ for an AOB topic 21:35:57 Bob: I will be asking between now and CR to check whether implementors will be covering optional apsects of the spec in order to establish the at risk features. 21:38:47 ack dug 21:38:47 dug, you wanted to discuss an AOB topic 21:38:53 Yves: We can progress to CR and then indicate that we require additional implementations 21:39:35 q+ 21:39:36 Doug: Gil recently sent a scenario doc for WS-Eventing, I think it would be good to extend this scenario to all specifications 21:39:44 ack asir 21:39:45 q+ 21:39:51 ack katy 21:40:18 Katy: this will also illustrate how specs compose together 21:41:23 Bob: This suggestion may have an impact of the maintenence independence of the specs but as scenarios are not normatively referenced, this should not cause a problem 21:41:26 Asir: apologies - we have not yet considered this one 21:42:21 Bob: consider this and make a decision asap in order to move along 21:42:45 Bob: Next week intend to have a very brief call 21:44:02 Bob: This does not suit all so next meeting on 30th November (no meeting next week) 21:45:24 - +1.571.262.aacc 21:45:25 -Gilbert_Pilz 21:45:26 -Wu_Chou 21:45:27 -Wei 21:45:28 -??P2 21:45:28 -Ashok_Malhotra 21:45:29 -Yves 21:45:29 -asir 21:45:31 -Bob_Freund 21:45:34 -Doug_Davis 21:45:40 rrsagent, make minutes 21:45:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/16-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob_ 21:45:42 - +44.196.281.aaaa 21:47:02 rrsagent, are you busy? 21:47:02 I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'are you busy' 21:47:19 rrsagent. generate minutes 21:47:34 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/16-ws-ra-minutes.html Yves 21:47:47 404 :-( 21:47:53 works now 21:48:01 thanks 22:05:00 disconnecting the lone participant, Tom_Rutt, in WS_WSRA()3:30PM 22:05:02 WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended 22:05:06 Attendees were +44.196.281.aaaa, Gilbert_Pilz, Doug_Davis, Bob_Freund, +1.908.696.aabb, Ashok_Malhotra, Tom_Rutt, asir, Wei, +1.571.262.aacc, Yves, Wu_Chou 22:11:52 asir has joined #ws-ra