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12:52:08 <Steph> zakim, this will be mw4d
12:52:08 <Zakim> ok, Steph; I see MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
12:52:16 <Steph> Meeting: MW4D bi-monthly call
12:52:34 <steph_> steph_ has joined #mw4d
12:52:46 <Steph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2010Nov/0008.html
12:52:55 <Steph> Chair:Stephane
12:53:02 <Steph> Scribe:Steph
12:53:08 <Steph> PResent:Steph, Max
12:53:27 <Steph> rrsagent, make log public
12:58:37 <Steph> zakim, code ?
12:58:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), Steph
12:59:00 <Zakim> MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started
12:59:08 <Zakim> + +33.5.81.60.aaaa
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12:59:57 <Steph> zakim, aaaa is me
12:59:57 <Zakim> +Steph; got it
13:01:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:01:05 <maxf> zakim, code?
13:01:05 <Zakim> the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), maxf
13:01:15 <Steph> zakim, ipcaller is StephR
13:01:15 <Zakim> +StephR; got it
13:01:52 <Zakim> +??P2
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13:02:00 <maxf> zakim, P2 is max
13:02:00 <Zakim> sorry, maxf, I do not recognize a party named 'P2'
13:02:05 <maxf> zakim, ??P2 is me
13:02:05 <Zakim> +maxf; got it
13:02:22 <Steph> PREsent+Stephanie
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13:02:43 <shwetank> Zakim, shwetank is me
13:02:43 <Zakim> sorry, shwetank, I do not recognize a party named 'shwetank'
13:03:16 <Steph> shwetank you have to call in for zakim to recognize you
13:03:56 <Zakim> + +1.212.363.aabb
13:04:11 <Steph> zakim, aabb is ChrysS
13:04:11 <Zakim> +ChrysS; got it
13:04:15 <Zakim> +??P5
13:04:20 <shwetank> ok, im in now
13:04:24 <Zakim> + +44.750.070.aacc
13:04:25 <Steph> zakim, ??P5 is Shwetank
13:04:25 <Zakim> +Shwetank; got it
13:04:33 <Steph> zakim, aacc is Betty
13:04:33 <Zakim> +Betty; got it
13:04:53 <Steph> PResent+Shwetank
13:04:57 <Steph> PResent+Betty
13:05:02 <Steph> PResent+Chrystelle
13:05:24 <Steph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2010Nov/0008.html
13:05:29 <Steph> Topic: M4D conference
13:05:50 <Steph> http://109.73.162.110/~humanito/sites/default/files/proceedingsm4d2010_0.pdf
13:07:00 <maxf> http://m4d.humanit.org/ <- conference site
13:10:05 <Steph> Topic: Tools
13:10:13 <Steph> http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/Mw4d_tools
13:18:24 <Steph> Stephanie: adopted definition, now should move to review
13:18:32 <Steph> all: agreed
13:19:46 <Steph> max: apply methodology on a series of tools ?
13:19:50 <Steph> steph: yes
13:20:09 <Steph> steph: propose data collection tools ? sms gateway ?
13:20:18 <Steph> Christ: both might be interesting 
13:20:36 <maxf> Stephane: other opinions?
13:20:43 <betty> I agree with both tools.
13:21:06 <maxf> Stephanie: OK. Can we find 2 or 3 of each?
13:21:15 <maxf> Stephane: I know of 10 for SMS
13:21:31 <maxf> FrontlineSMS, Kannel, gnokki, MS, etc.
13:21:37 <maxf> for data collection: even more
13:21:55 <maxf> ... frontlineForms, episurveyor...
13:22:06 <maxf> ... surveymonkey, openxdata
13:22:22 <shwetank> +q
13:22:31 <Steph> ack shwetank
13:22:43 <Steph> shwetank: might be some tools that are not final or beta
13:22:53 <Steph> including them ?
13:23:08 <maxf> Stephane: as far as we're tracking that we can surely integrate them
13:23:17 <maxf> ... that's my feeling
13:23:21 <betty> Shall we list possible tools on Wiki & mailing list with pros & cons? Later we discuss what we choose.
13:23:26 <betty> Q+
13:23:38 <maxf> Stephanie: as long as they're stable
13:23:53 <maxf> ... and as long as we can apply the methodology
13:24:05 <Steph> ack betty
13:24:37 <maxf> betty: we can put the possible tools on wiki and we [bad line here]
13:25:24 <maxf> Steph: [...] when we have a good package we can apply the methodology.
13:25:29 <steph_> yes
13:25:51 <Steph> Action: steph to create a page linked from tools to start listing data collection tools and SMS gateway
13:26:50 <Steph> Topic: Impact Analysis
13:27:06 <Steph> http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/Mw4d_impact
13:28:35 <shwetank> * I also cant hear
13:29:12 <shwetank> ok, now i can make out the voice :)
13:32:03 <betty> Steph: Minimum requirements for data services.
13:33:12 <betty> Steph: We should see from the cost perspective.
13:34:39 <betty> Steph: How many universities do teach how to develop Mobile Web content?
13:36:01 <betty> Some universities in Kenya offer the course in summer.
13:36:32 <betty> Q+
13:36:43 <Steph> ack betty
13:37:09 <betty> Any comments on the framework?
13:39:15 <betty> MW supporting enablers: law, regulation, policy.
13:41:15 <Steph> stephR: what are you going to measure ?
13:41:18 <Steph> country ? project ?
13:41:37 <Steph> Betty: region level
13:42:24 <Steph> measuring in which state is the region
13:42:41 <Steph> StephR: existing popular web site might be interesting to catch
13:43:04 <Steph> getting info on what people are using: social network, shopping, etc
13:43:16 <Steph> Betty: MW easu indicator
13:43:28 <Steph> s/easu/use/
13:44:32 <Steph> betty: mobile web readiness, content section has some info
13:45:10 <shwetank> +q
13:45:21 <Steph> ack shwetank
13:45:37 <Steph> shwetank: what will be the source of the indicators ?
13:45:58 <Steph> per country, there are reports that might be useful
13:46:07 <Steph> penetration/coverage/reliability
13:46:09 <Steph> by regulators
13:46:15 <Steph> good sources of information
13:47:14 <betty> next to the indicators, we can list of mw staholders providing sources of the indicators
13:51:19 <Steph> action: Shwetank to look at TRAI report and see what kind of info provided
13:51:51 <Steph> action: Betty to look at regulator of indonesia report and analyze provided info
13:52:59 <betty> q+
13:53:04 <Steph> ack betty
13:55:15 <shwetank> we can add/modify later on 
13:55:48 <Steph> Topic: Next Meeting
13:56:20 <steph_> fine for me
13:56:24 <Steph> DEcember 6
13:56:28 <maxf> works for me
13:56:39 <betty> I can't join on 6 Dec.
13:57:03 <shwetank> actually, now that i think of it, maybe dec 6 might not work for me too
13:57:32 <maxf> thanks! bye
13:57:34 <Zakim> -Steph
13:57:35 <Zakim> -ChrysS
13:57:35 <Zakim> -StephR
13:57:36 <Zakim> -Shwetank
13:57:45 <betty> quit
13:57:49 <Steph> rrsagent, make minutes
13:57:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/15-mw4d-minutes.html Steph
13:57:55 <maxf> zakim, hangup
13:57:55 <Zakim> I don't understand 'hangup', maxf
13:58:10 <Zakim> -maxf
13:58:13 <Zakim> -Betty
13:58:14 <Zakim> MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
13:58:16 <Zakim> Attendees were +33.5.81.60.aaaa, Steph, StephR, maxf, +1.212.363.aabb, ChrysS, +44.750.070.aacc, Shwetank, Betty