IRC log of webperf on 2010-11-10

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meeting: Web Performance Working Group #09
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agenda+ 1.Follow-up on discussion with respect to same origin: Fully Qualified Domain Name or Private Domain
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Agenda+ 2.Test submission process for Navigation Timing.
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Agenda+ 3.Resource Timing and User Timing.
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Agenda+4.Any other business.
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scribe: AndersonQuach
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present+ AndersonQuach
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chair: ArvindJain
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present+TonyG
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present+JamesSimonsen
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present+ArvindJain
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agenda+ 5. Performance name space under window
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present+Zhiheng
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topic: Follow-up on discussion with respect to same origin: Fully Qualified Domain Name or Private Domain
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AndersonQuach: Sigborn preferring Private Domain
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AndersonQuach: Jonas prefers the FQDN
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Zhiheng: Okay with Private Domain, no strong preference.
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TonyG: I certainly like Private Domain.
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AndersonQuach: We agree to Private Domain, great.
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move to agenda 5.
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topic:Performance name space under window" taken up
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JamesSimonsen: Any precedence with adding objects under window.
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TonyG: Yes, HTML5 interfaces. There is a precendence.
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TonyG: should we make performance object make it replaceable.
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TonyG: aburden to check if the property can be overridden.
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Zhiheng: it's a global space problem.
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TonyG: Let's try it, and the first site compat bug we'll remove the attribute.
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JasonSobel: Do you have an tool to check for API usage given privacy concern?
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Present+ JasonSobel
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JamesSimonsen: have a tool to check API usage on the web
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AndersonQuach: I like the idea of measuring the risk.
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moving to agenda 2.
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moving to agenda 2.
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topic: 2. Test submission process for Navigation Timing.
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present+ biesi
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sorry for being late
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np
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public-html-testsuite@w3.org
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AndersonQuach: Recommend three phases: a proposed, submitted and approved.
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Zhiheng: can we get best practice info from other working groups?
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AndersonQuach: will follow-up with plh.
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AndersonQuach: Let's follow-up offline with some existing HTML test cases to pattern off of.
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topic: Resource Timing and User Timing.
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AndersonQuach: two proposals: i. Resource Collector, ii. static getter via the DOM
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JasonSobel: Looked over proposals during the week, the proposal Anderson sent out that it was more intuitive to use.
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JasonSobel: Nice to have to filter to specific timing for a specific resource.
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AndersonQuach: Great I'll follow-up offline with an interface with by id or by url.
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TonyG: Question, why a list, or what is reserved_htc and other?
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AndersonQuach: List so that in the processing of onbuffer full we do not lose events.
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sub-class link and rel?
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TonyG: how about link rel=stylesheet,imports,prefetch
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NicJansma: Being clear of the origin and mime type we got back.
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NicJansma: initial tag where the download occured, i agree we could sub-class css, font, image. Either specifiic or higher-level.
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TonyG: Looks like a good initial list, let's figure out the main interface and continue to add to the existing list.
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topic: Summary of Action Items and Follow-ups
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1. Moving forward with Private Domain definition of same origin, where hello.bar.com is the same private domain as foo.bar.com
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2. Will use the window.performance namespace, pending findings and risk analysis from Tony, James, Anderson and Nic.
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3. Zhiheng will follow-up with test suite owners on best practices regarding W3C conformance tests.
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4. Anderson will follow-up with PLH regarding test infrastructure for test cases, e.g. http header modifications, web servers and repository.
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5. Anderson will provide an updated Resource Timing proposal with an ability to get access to specific resource timing by id and by url.
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regrets+JasonWeber
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regrets+plh
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/10-webperf-minutes.html AndersonQuach
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/10-webperf-minutes.html AndersonQuach
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/10-webperf-minutes.html AndersonQuach
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/10-webperf-minutes.html AndersonQuach
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/10-webperf-minutes.html AndersonQuach
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Zakim, please part
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rrsagent, please part
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I see no action items