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16:23:35 <AndersonQuach> meeting: Web Performance Working Group #09
16:24:14 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ 1.	Follow-up on discussion with respect to same origin: Fully Qualified Domain Name or Private Domain
16:24:24 <AndersonQuach> Agenda+ 2.	Test submission process for Navigation Timing.
16:24:30 <AndersonQuach> Agenda+ 3.	Resource Timing and User Timing.
16:24:36 <AndersonQuach> Agenda+4.	Any other business.
16:24:47 <AndersonQuach> scribe: AndersonQuach
16:25:09 <AndersonQuach> present+ AndersonQuach
16:25:13 <AndersonQuach> chair: ArvindJain
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17:01:59 <AndersonQuach> present+TonyG
17:02:13 <AndersonQuach> present+JamesSimonsen
17:02:19 <AndersonQuach> present+ArvindJain
17:03:11 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ 5. Performance name space under window
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17:04:18 <AndersonQuach> list the agenda
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17:05:39 <AndersonQuach> topic: Follow-up on discussion with respect to same origin: Fully Qualified Domain Name or Private Domain
17:06:04 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: Sigborn preferring Private Domain
17:06:16 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: Jonas prefers the FQDN
17:09:30 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: Okay with Private Domain, no strong preference.
17:09:41 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: I certainly like Private Domain.
17:10:18 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: We agree to Private Domain, great.
17:10:23 <AndersonQuach> next agenda
17:10:34 <AndersonQuach> move to agenda 5.
17:10:43 <AndersonQuach> topic:Performance name space under window" taken up
17:12:25 <AndersonQuach> JamesSimonsen: Any precedence with adding objects under window.
17:12:36 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: Yes, HTML5 interfaces. There is a precendence.
17:16:15 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: should we make performance object make it replaceable.
17:17:08 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: aburden to check if the property can be overridden.
17:18:49 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: it's a global space problem.
17:18:59 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: Let's try it, and the first site compat bug we'll remove the attribute.
17:19:57 <AndersonQuach> JasonSobel: Do you have an tool to check for API usage given privacy concern?
17:20:12 <AndersonQuach> Present+ JasonSobel
17:20:31 <AndersonQuach> JamesSimonsen: have a tool to check API usage on the web
17:20:46 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: I like the idea of measuring the risk.
17:20:54 <AndersonQuach> moving to agenda 2. 
17:20:58 <AndersonQuach> moving to agenda 2.
17:21:00 <AndersonQuach> moving to agenda 2
17:21:03 <AndersonQuach> move to agenda 2
17:21:15 <AndersonQuach> topic: 2. Test submission process for Navigation Timing.
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17:23:11 <AndersonQuach> present+ biesi
17:23:17 <biesi> sorry for being late
17:23:24 <AndersonQuach> np
17:26:29 <Zhiheng> public-html-testsuite@w3.org
17:27:34 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: Recommend three phases: a proposed, submitted and approved.
17:27:45 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: can we get best practice info from other working groups?
17:30:56 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: will follow-up with plh.
17:35:44 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: Let's follow-up offline with some existing HTML test cases to pattern off of.
17:35:52 <AndersonQuach> next agenda
17:36:24 <AndersonQuach> topic: Resource Timing and User Timing.
17:38:20 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: two proposals: i. Resource Collector, ii. static getter via the DOM
17:42:01 <AndersonQuach> JasonSobel: Looked over proposals during the week, the proposal Anderson sent out that it was more intuitive to use.
17:42:56 <AndersonQuach> JasonSobel: Nice to have to filter to specific timing for a specific resource.
17:46:55 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: Great I'll follow-up offline with an interface with by id or by url.
17:50:59 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: Question, why a list, or what is reserved_htc and other?
17:51:39 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: List so that in the processing of onbuffer full we do not lose events.
17:52:18 <AndersonQuach> sub-class link and rel?
17:52:47 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: how about link rel=stylesheet,imports,prefetch
17:53:08 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: Being clear of the origin and mime type we got back.
17:54:06 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: initial tag where the download occured, i agree we could sub-class css, font, image. Either specifiic or higher-level.
17:54:31 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: Looks like a good initial list, let's figure out the main interface and continue to add to the existing list.
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17:57:34 <AndersonQuach> topic: Summary of Action Items and Follow-ups
17:58:06 <AndersonQuach> 1. Moving forward with Private Domain definition of same origin, where hello.bar.com is the same private domain as foo.bar.com
17:58:41 <AndersonQuach> 2. Will use the window.performance namespace, pending findings and risk analysis from Tony, James, Anderson and Nic.
17:59:06 <AndersonQuach> 3. Zhiheng will follow-up with test suite owners on best practices regarding W3C conformance tests.
17:59:39 <AndersonQuach> 4. Anderson will follow-up with PLH regarding test infrastructure for test cases, e.g. http header modifications, web servers and repository.
18:00:11 <AndersonQuach> 5. Anderson will provide an updated Resource Timing proposal with an ability to get access to specific resource timing by id and by url.
18:00:19 <AndersonQuach> regrets+JasonWeber
18:00:24 <AndersonQuach> regrets+plh
18:01:27 <AndersonQuach> rrsagent generate minutes
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18:23:40 <RRSAgent> I see no action items