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13:56:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be UW_POI
13:56:44 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see UW_POI(POIWG)9:00AM already started
13:56:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Points of Interest Working Group Teleconference
13:56:45 <trackbot> Date: 10 November 2010
13:56:50 <matt> zakim, ping me in 3 minutes
13:56:50 <Zakim> ok, matt
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13:57:37 <marengo> zakim, code?
13:57:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 76494 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), marengo
13:58:13 <Zakim> + +39.011.228.aabb
13:58:23 <marengo> Zakim, aabb is me
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13:58:27 <Zakim> marengo should now be muted
13:58:34 <jdesmit> zakim, who's here?
13:58:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see +3539149aaaa, marengo (muted)
13:58:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see jdesmit, Zakim, RRSAgent, cperey, JonathanJ, vinod, marengo, trackbot, matt
13:58:38 <marengo> Present+ Marco_Marengo
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13:59:51 <Zakim> matt, you asked to be pinged at this time
13:59:57 <jdesmit> Zakim, aacc is me
13:59:57 <Zakim> +jdesmit; got it
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14:00:03 <Zakim> +??P9
14:00:15 <JonathanJ> zakim, ??P9 is me
14:00:15 <Zakim> +JonathanJ; got it
14:00:30 <matt> zakim, dial matt-voip
14:00:30 <Zakim> ok, matt; the call is being made
14:00:32 <Zakim> +Matt
14:00:46 <matt> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:00:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see +3539149aaaa, marengo (muted), jdesmit (muted), JonathanJ, Matt
14:01:17 <Zakim> + +1.650.464.aadd
14:01:22 <matt> zakim, aaaa is vinod
14:01:22 <Zakim> +vinod; got it
14:01:34 <matt> zakim, aadd is Mike_Liebhold
14:01:34 <Zakim> +Mike_Liebhold; got it
14:01:35 <Zakim> + +1.919.599.aaee
14:01:48 <matt> zakim, aaee is Andy
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14:02:18 <matt> zakim, aaff is Gary
14:02:18 <Zakim> +Gary; got it
14:02:20 <matt> zakim, who is here?
14:02:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see vinod, marengo (muted), jdesmit, JonathanJ, Matt, Mike_Liebhold, Andy, Gary
14:02:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see ggale, mliebhold, jdesmit, Zakim, RRSAgent, cperey, JonathanJ, vinod, marengo, trackbot, matt
14:03:08 <matt> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-poiwg/2010Nov/0009
14:03:12 <Zakim> + +1.617.848.aagg
14:03:32 <matt> zakim, aagg is cperey 
14:03:32 <Zakim> +cperey; got it
14:03:41 <matt> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:03:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see vinod, marengo (muted), jdesmit, JonathanJ, Matt, Mike_Liebhold, Andy, Gary, cperey
14:03:43 <Zakim> + +1.617.764.aahh
14:03:45 <Zakim> + +1.773.575.aaii
14:04:05 <matt> zakim, aall is Alex
14:04:05 <Zakim> sorry, matt, I do not recognize a party named 'aall'
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14:04:10 <matt> zakim, aaii is Alex
14:04:10 <Zakim> +Alex; got it
14:04:15 <matt> zakim, aahh is Raj
14:04:15 <Zakim> +Raj; got it
14:04:56 <matt> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:04:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see vinod, marengo (muted), jdesmit, JonathanJ, Matt, Mike_Liebhold, Andy, Gary, cperey, Raj, Alex
14:05:15 <matt> zakim, mute me
14:05:15 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
14:05:34 <matt> matt has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Points of Interest WG! Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-poiwg/2010Nov/0009
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14:05:39 <Zakim> + +1.347.661.aajj
14:05:46 <Zakim> +??P18
14:06:06 <matt> zakim, unmute me
14:06:06 <Zakim> Matt should no longer be muted
14:06:42 <matt> zakim, ??p18 is Carl
14:06:42 <Zakim> +Carl; got it
14:06:55 <matt> zakim, mute me
14:06:55 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
14:06:59 <matt> Scribe: Matt
14:07:25 <matt> zakim, unmute me
14:07:25 <Zakim> Matt should no longer be muted
14:07:42 <matt> zakim, mute me
14:07:42 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
14:07:49 <cperey> np
14:07:58 <matt> Topic: Agenda
14:08:05 <ggale> There's 3 open actions according to http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/track/actions
14:08:26 <matt> andy: Christine, thanks for editing the agenda.  We'll put stuff there, try to do it two weeks out.  I was thinking this might be a failed experience, but we can keep it going  a little bit.
14:08:32 <matt> zakim, unmute me
14:08:32 <Zakim> Matt should no longer be muted
14:08:59 <matt> action-9?
14:08:59 <trackbot> ACTION-9 -- Karl Seiler to add a persona/perspective type field to use cases. -- due 2010-11-03 -- OPEN
14:08:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/track/actions/9
14:09:10 <matt> close ACTION-9
14:09:10 <trackbot> ACTION-9 Add a persona/perspective type field to use cases. closed
14:09:17 <matt> action-10?
14:09:17 <trackbot> ACTION-10 -- Gary Gale to codify on the WIki the "What is an Point of Interest" discussion -- due 2010-11-03 -- OPEN
14:09:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/track/actions/10
14:09:20 <matt> zakim, mute me
14:09:20 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
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14:09:43 <cperey> so Action10 is closed?
14:09:52 <Zakim> + +1.312.894.aakk
14:10:06 <k> am in the call
14:10:13 <matt> andy: As a group, we'll see what we can put there and see if we can live with it going forward.  Let's look at Gary's definition here, discuss it and then give it a week and see if we can live with it.
14:10:16 <k> k = k seiler
14:10:18 <matt> zakim, aakk is k
14:10:18 <Zakim> +k; got it
14:10:22 <jdesmit> +1
14:10:23 <matt> gary: Fine.
14:10:30 <matt> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:10:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see vinod, marengo (muted), jdesmit, JonathanJ, Matt (muted), Mike_Liebhold, Andy, Gary, cperey, Raj, Alex, +1.347.661.aajj, Carl, k
14:10:39 <matt> close ACTION-10
14:10:39 <trackbot> ACTION-10 Codify on the WIki the "What is an Point of Interest" discussion closed
14:10:41 <k> karl seiler joined
14:11:25 <matt> andy: [Reviews agenda...]
14:12:14 <cperey> +1
14:12:17 <mliebhold> +1
14:12:17 <matt> andy: Agenda good, let's move forward.
14:12:24 <matt> Topic: Discussion framework
14:12:46 <jacques> +1.347.661.aajj is jacques
14:12:47 <cperey> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/wiki/Main_Page
14:13:04 <matt> cperey: My suggestion because I've been watching the traffic on the list is that sometimes we change topics in the threads and it gets a little harder to follow.
14:13:13 <matt> cperey: I was hoping you could take a look at the wiki page, and before Karl or someone added the definition of POI to the main page, there was only the very top and bottom portions.
14:13:45 <matt> cperey: We have a lot of topics floating in and out, I would like to capture them on the wiki page appropriately.
14:14:23 <matt> cperey: The topic that seems messiest is the data model one.
14:14:50 <matt> cperey: I think we should try to keep the discussion on the list to one of these four topics.
14:15:02 <matt> cperey: If they're not sufficient, create a new topic and page to correspond to it on the wiki page.
14:15:20 <ggale> +q
14:15:28 <matt> q+
14:15:34 <matt> ack ggale 
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14:16:09 <matt> ggale: I agree, it would be lovely to have this a little more structured.  Are we not at risk of keeping the wiki beautiful, rather than digging into the nuts and bolts.
14:16:31 <matt> ggale: The email is a better medium for discussing things. Then maybe each week someone volunteers to clean up the topic areas.
14:16:39 <matt> cperey: I think that's fantastic and agree.
14:17:00 <matt> cperey: I just wanted a discussion framework.
14:17:04 <matt> ack nex
14:17:07 <matt> ack next
14:18:18 <matt> zakim, mute me
14:18:18 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
14:18:29 <matt> matt: I was thinking the front page would be more like our home page.
14:18:46 <matt> matt: if there's lots of topics, I wouldn't want it to be obstructing the rest of the info on the page.
14:18:50 <ggale> If the wiki gets more than 2 screenfuls on the home page then it needs tidying
14:19:03 <matt> cperey: Yeah, I don't like Resources as a name.  And I liked upcoming events.
14:19:03 <ggale> We're verging on that now
14:19:07 <matt> zakim, unmute me
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14:19:27 <matt> zakim, mute me
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14:19:31 <matt> cperey++
14:19:44 <matt> matt: I think we all like it, let's move the discussion offline.
14:19:47 <matt> Topic: POI data format
14:20:01 <matt> andy: Temporal POI was the first sub topic.
14:20:12 <matt> andy: POI associated with refugee camps moving for instance.
14:20:20 <k> +q
14:20:50 <ggale> +q
14:21:05 <matt> q?
14:21:08 <matt> ack k
14:21:36 <matt> karl: Going back to ggale's definition of POI, if we can separate location from the definition...  I think it'd be great for it to have a start and end.
14:21:43 <ggale> "POIs have the shelf life of bananas" ... quote of the day so far
14:22:06 <matt> karl: Then there are temporal attributes of POIs.  There's ones that exist at a time and cease, and another temporal aspect of "movies are from this time to this time", the theater doesn't end.
14:22:18 <matt> ack ggale 
14:22:28 <mliebhold> q+
14:22:38 <matt> ggale: Aren't we in a chicken/egg situation.  If we're trying to decide on a data format for something that we haven't decided on a definition of what it is.
14:23:04 <matt> ack mliebhold 
14:23:12 <matt> mliebhold: I have a suggestion: it's easy to make things way more complex early on and then spend months digging out from premature complexity.  It's either information about a place or a thing.
14:24:27 <ggale> +q
14:24:27 <matt> mliebhold: I think for information about a place, there's only one characteristic that's critical: the degree of accuracy of the x,y,z coordinates.  A POI could be an ornament on the build, which would need millimeter accuracy.  For a thing, place isn't so relevant, and the only way I know how to do that is through a marker or trigger, a visual search, so a URI pointing to this.  Everything else can be handled in RDF and triples handling any metadata they need.
14:24:29 <matt> ack ggale 
14:24:55 <matt> ggale: I agree that we can make this arbitrarily complex then spend months digging ourselves out of the hole. 
14:25:07 <jdesmit> +q
14:25:16 <matt> ggale: Maybe I can ask if we're happy with the three tier model I put on the wiki, and if so, have others flesh each out on the wiki.
14:25:40 <matt> ggale: Then let's see if we can use existing codifications/standards.
14:25:48 <matt> ggale: See if we can merge them back into a single entity.
14:25:55 <matt> ggale: Then check the use cases, see if we can cover those.
14:26:03 <matt> karl: I haven't had a chance to look at the wiki yet.
14:26:49 <matt> karl: I'm working on the terminology page.  Then we'll try to make the vocabulary consistent.  This goes back to defining a model that's grounded in existing standards and definitions.  If you think I'm introducing complexity let me know.
14:26:52 <matt> ack jdesmit 
14:27:06 <matt> jdesmit: I like your approach, and I like Mike's comment about a 'thing'. 
14:27:29 <matt> jdesmit: ?? place definition on the wiki ??
14:27:46 <matt> karl: Let's write up the place definition on the mailing list and get people to make edits on the wiki.
14:27:48 <cperey> good proposal
14:28:09 <matt> ??: Have three or four people drive the definition down.
14:28:21 <matt> ggale: I'd rather have the debate on the mailing list.
14:28:23 <k> matt that last was Karl S
14:28:26 <matt> ggale: rather than the wiki
14:28:26 <jdesmit> +1
14:28:31 <matt> s/??/Karl/
14:28:33 <ahill2> +1 on mail over wiki
14:28:34 <matt> +1!!
14:28:38 <matt> q?
14:28:42 <matt> zakim, who is noisy?
14:28:53 <Zakim> matt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Andy (24%), +1.347.661.aajj (14%)
14:28:53 <matt> zakim, unmute me
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14:29:01 <k> so what is the w3c method to form work teams
14:29:10 <matt> zakim, mute me
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14:29:30 <cperey> thing (cute name)
14:29:44 <cperey> an object?
14:29:46 <matt> zakim, unmute me
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14:29:57 <matt> zakim, mute me
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14:29:59 <k> i volunteer to be on the POI detailed definition work team
14:30:07 <matt> ACTION: mliebhold to put out a definition of a 'thing' to the mailing list.
14:30:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Put out a definition of a 'thing' to the mailing list. [on Mike Liebhold - due 2010-11-17].
14:30:10 <matt> zakim, unmute me
14:30:10 <Zakim> Matt should no longer be muted
14:30:16 <matt> zakim, mute me
14:30:16 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
14:30:20 <matt> q?
14:30:29 <cperey> another action was proposed: to break up into teams
14:30:41 <matt> zakim, who is noisy?
14:30:52 <Zakim> matt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Andy (66%)
14:31:21 <matt> andy: I heard a suggestion that we work in smaller teams.
14:31:40 <matt> Carl: I think we should get the definition framework, then break up into teams to further refine the definitions, then work on the standards.
14:31:52 <jdesmit> +1
14:31:53 <matt> Andy: Sounds like a good approach to me.
14:31:55 <matt> +1
14:32:06 <matt> Raj: I have a comment on the data model discussion before we leave it.
14:33:04 <matt> Raj: Looking at the use cases, they seem to be largely around search and imply a services framework, yet we're only defining in our discussion an information model.  How do we see this information model being used?  Are services harvesting around the internet and then we do our own queries or...?
14:33:07 <k> lost him?
14:33:15 <matt> zakim, unmute me
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14:33:28 <Zakim> -Raj
14:33:31 <matt> zakim, mute me
14:33:31 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
14:34:00 <matt> ggale: Sounds like the question Raj was asking was: are we defining the reference model or defining the services that expose the reference model?  Or are we building the reference model.
14:34:20 <matt> karl: I think the root of it all, the value, is for information exchange between systems.
14:34:24 <matt> karl: That is fundamental.
14:34:53 <ahill2> +1 looking for a data exchange model
14:35:10 <matt> ggale: I see us looking at how this is exchange rather than building stuff.
14:35:22 <jdesmit> agreed. services are what we use eventually, but I think data exchange format should be the focus
14:35:51 <ahill2> +q
14:35:52 <Zakim> + +1.617.642.aall
14:35:53 <matt> andy: We don't want to be in the business of building services.  We're looking at building something that exists today.  What use cases do we need to satisfy?  But I don't think we need to be in the business of defining how the sevices work.
14:35:54 <k> +1
14:35:57 <matt> ack ahill2 
14:36:05 <cperey> services development are how companies differentiate themselves
14:36:42 <jacques> q+
14:36:42 <matt> ahill2: Those of you with more experience building services around data models, can anyone comment on, if what we want to do is build a data exchange model, is there advice on what to look out for?  Or can we just ignore services when we're constructing a data model?
14:36:49 <matt> zakim, aaii is rsingh2 
14:36:49 <Zakim> sorry, matt, I do not recognize a party named 'aaii'
14:37:18 <matt> Carl: If we wrap ourselves around the services that make the data model sing, we'll be wrapped around the axel.
14:37:24 <matt> ahill2: That sounds like a reasonable suggestion.
14:37:27 <matt> q?
14:37:29 <jdesmit> +1
14:37:31 <matt> ack ahill2 
14:37:41 <matt> zakim, unmute me
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14:37:44 <matt> zakim, mute me
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14:37:51 <k> Karl seiler will intro himself as "seiler"
14:38:07 <matt> jacques: Services will be useful to test the data model, but ??noise??
14:38:11 <matt> zakim, unmute me
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14:38:20 <matt> zakim, mute me
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14:38:24 <Zakim> -Andy
14:38:54 <matt> jacques: I want to make a list of triples in XML or RDF that could be useful, they're on the mailing list.
14:38:58 <ahill2> +1 for jacques action item
14:39:01 <matt> zakim, unmute me
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14:39:20 <cperey> jacques volunteered Action Item to write up some triples according to suggestion on the mialing list
14:39:27 <jacques> ok
14:39:38 <matt> ACTION: jacques to collect triples on the mailing list
14:39:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Collect triples on the mailing list [on Jacques Lemordant - due 2010-11-17].
14:40:04 <matt> Carl: It's a worthy effort, perhaps cart before the horse.  There's a lot of standards in this area.
14:40:10 <cperey> a new thread in discussion framework
14:41:29 <matt> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/wiki/Related_Specifications
14:41:44 <ahill2> +q
14:41:49 <matt> ack ahill2 
14:41:52 <matt> ack ahill2 
14:41:53 <matt> ack jacques 
14:42:18 <matt> ahill2: As we're fleshing this out, could we have examples
14:42:19 <matt> +1
14:42:22 <k> seiler - good idea
14:42:23 <jdesmit> +1
14:42:41 <cperey> +1 to Alex suggestion to have examples
14:43:04 <matt> Carl: Seems to me that until we have a data model or agreed definition of POI, then evaluating specific encodings is premature.
14:43:04 <jacques> +1 to examples
14:43:23 <matt> matt: Maybe we do this after we have data model and use cases in place.
14:43:35 <matt> ahill2: When it does happen, I'd vote for having things inline, rather than separated out.
14:43:48 <matt> ahill2: There's a tendency to have definitions that lead other places.
14:44:10 <matt> jdesmit: As we try to agree or converge on a data model then let's introduce examples.
14:44:39 <matt> ahill2: What we really want to do is hash out the data model first and get ourselves happy with that before we move on.
14:44:57 <matt> Karl: Isn't the data model work bounded by the definitions work?
14:45:15 <matt> ahill2: I maybe meant definitions.  Definition of POI and the four tiers that have been mentioned.
14:45:23 <matt> ahill2: The three original ones and 'thing' that has been suggested.
14:45:43 <cperey>  +1 on the discussion of order of focus but, isn't this going to be an iterative process?
14:46:14 <matt> matt: So, we'll work on definition of POI, data model, then use cases, then standards.
14:46:35 <matt> rsingh2: I'd like to make a radical proposal that a POI is just a location and time.  We're not going to be able to agree on the other things for now.
14:47:07 <matt> rsingh2: I can see people having databases of a few thousand POIs in these use cases.  And then most of the sophisticated stuff could be done in the client.
14:47:22 <matt> rsingh2: A definition that has more than location, geography and a start and end time is going to have us going in circles.
14:47:36 <matt> Carl: I just added a third definition of POI that the IETF uses.
14:47:59 <matt> Carl: So, it comes down to location and time, everything else are optional properties.
14:48:02 <matt> zakim,unmute me
14:48:02 <Zakim> Matt was not muted, matt
14:48:07 <mliebhold> +Q
14:48:20 <Zakim> -Mike_Liebhold
14:48:22 <ahill2> -q
14:48:25 <matt> zakim, mute me
14:48:25 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
14:48:26 <jacques> location, time and content
14:48:41 <matt> zakim,unmute me
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14:48:44 <matt> q?
14:48:55 <cperey> I'm going to drop off, will dial back in
14:49:04 <Zakim> -cperey
14:49:12 <ahill2> +q
14:49:26 <matt> zakim, mute me
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14:49:30 <Zakim> +Mike_Liebhold
14:49:42 <matt> ahill2: When we say UUID, are we talking about the location, or the event?
14:49:48 <matt> ahill2: Is it the place or the location?
14:50:15 <matt> karl: I think it's a POI.  I think the definition of places, which are often bounded by polygons, can be prescriptively defined.  There's a lot of standards we can comply with or meld.
14:50:21 <matt> karl: Same thing with addresses.
14:50:24 <matt> zakim, unmute me
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14:51:42 <matt> karl: I think we can define location, there's a lot of definitions for that, places, polygon structures, then... our definition of POI should be simple, very open ended.  I like the IETF definition.
14:51:44 <mliebhold>  +q
14:51:52 <matt> ack next
14:51:52 <ahill2> -q
14:52:28 <matt> mliebhold: I sent mail, we can start with them associated only with location, but you can frankly have a POI attached to a physical object.  We might postpone that discussion, but we'll have to get to it.
14:52:28 <jdesmit> +1 to mike
14:52:37 <ahill2> +1 4 dimensions + POI
14:52:42 <Zakim> -Carl
14:53:04 <matt> Topic: Use Cases
14:53:05 <matt> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/wiki/Use_Cases
14:53:59 <mliebhold> +Q
14:54:08 <matt> ahill2: Whenever the subject of visual recognition and temporal moving objects comes up, I would make the initial suggest that I'm not sure the data model needs to necessarily... location can be transient... moving objects, or things, be folded into location, so that we don't have to keep track of whether something is a moving object or distinguish it from a fixed place
14:54:09 <jacques> + for tracker information in the data model
14:54:09 <matt> ack next
14:54:39 <matt> mliebhold: That would require every object to disclose it's location.  That's probably a burden that isn't appropriate for everything.  A POI as a loaf of bread.
14:54:47 <matt> ahill2: I think we should take this to email.'
14:55:36 <matt> rsingh2: I don't think it's an edge case.  There's things like lunch trucks that serve every day or hour serving different people.
14:55:50 <matt> ahill2: Not an edge case necessarily, but from a practical standpoint how to fold it into the definition.
14:56:07 <ahill2> -q
14:56:29 <Zakim> +cperey
14:56:47 <ggale> I need to sign off ... next meeting in the day job calls
14:56:59 <matt> matt: On use cases, any volunteers for this?  Particularly checkin games.
14:57:06 <Zakim> -Gary
14:57:23 <jacques> yes
14:57:32 <k> thx
14:57:33 <cperey> can I make announcement (re: upcoming meetings)?
14:57:58 <matt> karl: I've been doing the bulk of the use cases, don't want to dominate them.
14:58:07 <matt> matt: I'll send out a call for more use cases.
14:58:13 <matt> Topic: AOB
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14:58:45 <matt> cperey: I've got a meeting for AR standards -- not just POI -- at MWC.  The AR standards community members will be 17 Feb starting in the afternoon and all day 18 Feb and ending at noon on the 19th.
14:59:06 <matt> cperey: We have a host, and I wanted to make sure you have the details.  Those who are interested should join us.
14:59:35 <matt> cperey: Another meeting proposed at UPC, the campus used for W3C AR.  I won't be using that space, but it's also available during mid Feb timeframe.
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15:00:15 <matt> cperey: And there are OGC meetings happening world wide, and they want to post meeting announcements as well.
15:00:15 <Zakim> -Matt
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