13:56:00 RRSAgent has joined #lld 13:56:00 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc 13:56:28 markva has joined #lld 13:56:28 zakim, this will be lld 13:56:28 ok, emma; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes 13:56:56 Marcia has joined #lld 13:58:04 INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started 13:58:07 TomB has joined #lld 13:58:19 INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has ended 13:58:20 Attendees were 13:58:53 rayd has joined #lld 13:59:02 pmurray has joined #lld 13:59:06 zakim, this will be lld 13:59:08 ok, emma; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute 13:59:12 INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started 13:59:20 antoine has joined #lld 13:59:59 present: jeff, markva, emma 14:00:12 whalb has joined #lld 14:00:20 Zakim! 14:00:50 jar has joined #lld 14:02:19 present+: Ray, Marcia, Antoine, TomB, Pmurray 14:02:32 rrsagent, please draft minutes 14:02:32 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-minutes.html antoine 14:02:38 present+: jar 14:03:06 Zakim: [LC] is edsu 14:03:33 Zakim, [LC] is edsu 14:03:33 sorry, edsu, I do not recognize a party named '[LC]' 14:03:35 present+: edsu, 14:03:44 zakim, this is lld 14:03:44 jar, this was already INC_LLDXG()10:00AM 14:03:45 TomB: please ask about the perpetually busy bristol number as well if you can... would rather not call america unnecessarily... i keep waiting for the university administrators to come and grill me about phone bills :P 14:03:46 ok, jar; that matches INC_LLDXG()10:00AM 14:03:59 oh, nvm 14:04:06 ww: I'm not getting an operator. 14:04:09 Regrets+ karen, gordon, felix 14:04:12 rrsagent, please make record public 14:04:33 regrets+ tod 14:04:35 forget it, Tom 14:05:03 Meeting: LLD XG 14:05:07 Chair: Antoin 14:05:12 s/Antoin/Antoine 14:05:17 rrsagent, please draft minutes 14:05:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-minutes.html emma 14:05:42 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Nov/0008.html 14:05:50 zakim, who is here? 14:05:50 On the phone I see no one 14:05:51 On IRC I see jar, whalb, antoine, pmurray, rayd, TomB, Marcia, markva, RRSAgent, Zakim, jodi, emma, jeff_, rsinger, edsu, digikim, ww 14:06:11 zakim, please dial in 14:06:11 I am sorry, emma; I do not know a number for in 14:06:38 zakim, dial +1-617-761-6200 14:06:38 I am sorry, emma; I do not know a number for +1-617-761-6200 14:07:39 bvatant has joined #lld 14:07:42 zakim, what is the code? 14:07:42 the conference code is 55394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), jar 14:07:49 Zakim, pick a victim 14:07:49 I don't see anyone present, antoine 14:08:28 Scribe: William 14:08:32 Scribenick: ww 14:08:46 rrsagent, please make record public 14:08:49 AlexanderH has joined #lld 14:09:20 antoine: let's start, sorry for the delay and trouble with Zakim... 14:09:28 present+: AlexanderH 14:09:39 ... the first topic is admin 14:09:50 present+: Bernard 14:10:00 Topic: Admin 14:10:04 TOPIC: ADMIN 14:10:22 ... propose to accept the minutes of previous teleconference 14:10:25 ... objections? 14:10:32 zakim mute me 14:10:34 RESOLVED: ACCEPT MINUTES OF PREVIOUS TELECON 14:10:54 ... next... the report on the pittsburgh f2f meeting 14:11:07 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/22-lld-minutes.html 14:11:15 ... i sent around this week the cleaned version of the joint meeting with the W3C ... Architecture.... 14:11:22 +1 well done re: Joint Meeting minutes! :-) 14:11:25 ... propose to also accept these minutes today 14:11:33 ... so we can send them around to the wider audience 14:11:44 RESOLVED: ACCEPT MINUTES OF PITTSBURGH F2F 14:12:01 s/F2F/JOINT MEETING/ 14:12:11 antoine++ 14:12:43 RESOLVED ACCEPT MINUTES AND OUTCOMES OF PITTSBURGH F2F MEETING 14:13:08 ... before next item i have a question: is the current agenda complete? 14:13:22 ... anyone have something that is not listed, use cases, vocabularies? 14:13:31 ... as you have maybe noticed this agenda is really long 14:13:48 ... idea is to keep the agenda long so we have a place where relevant stuff is listed... 14:14:06 ... they will be at least available for the summary so that everyone is aware 14:14:09 q+ to point out that http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCases#Cluster:_Digital_objects is missing (as pointed out on the list) - am adding to next week's agenda 14:14:19 ... don't expect we will go through the entire agenda 14:14:24 ack TomB 14:14:24 TomB, you wanted to point out that http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCases#Cluster:_Digital_objects is missing (as pointed out on the list) - am adding to next week's 14:14:25 ... anyone noticed anything missing? 14:14:27 ... agenda 14:14:35 TomB: pointed out on the list that cluster on digital objects is missing 14:14:43 ... so adding that to next week's agenda 14:14:54 bvatant: what is missing 14:14:58 TomB: digital objects 14:15:01 bvatant: i'm part of that 14:15:08 antoine: ... 14:15:18 ... missing cluster, citations 14:15:26 ... have name of cluster with wrong names 14:15:38 ... tom will take care of updating that point 14:15:40 ... anything else? 14:15:55 ... ok, if you notice something that is missing, please send a mail before the next teleconference 14:16:20 ... moving on to the next topic 14:16:27 TOPIC: USE CASES AND CASE STUDIES 14:16:45 ... as opposed to what is listed in the agenda we have six clusters and not five 14:17:04 ... was some discussion on the plans of the digital objects cluster team, so maybe you want to say something here to explain a bit? 14:17:45 markva: which tasks do we have? the first would be to consider which UCs actually belong to our cluster... might be some overlap with the citation cluster? 14:18:00 ... main thing is to come to a more structured or homogenized sdescription of the UCs 14:18:08 ... we have really a lot of UCs 14:18:15 ... can probably not just append them to some part of our report 14:18:22 ... goals are reported very differently 14:18:26 ... but are recurring themes 14:18:39 ... what i did is try in email to the list just like the topics and requirements that we did before 14:18:54 ... try to come up with a list of a code and description for the goal 14:19:02 ... see if we can replace the goal text with these goal codes 14:19:11 ... meeting yesterday with people from digital clusters team 14:19:33 ... thought it would be useful to get your opinion of that and see if we can adopt that methodology for other clusters... 14:19:36 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Digital_Objects#Minutes_2010-11-03 14:20:02 antoine: at first glance it seems to me that these concerns are really right to the point 14:20:31 ... i would say that perhaps it's a bit premature to discuss that today if the other clusters have not really thought about the work they have to do on their own use case 14:20:42 q+ 14:20:45 ... but we should really have a discussion very soon because i see clearly the problems 14:20:54 zakim, ack emma 14:20:54 I see no one on the speaker queue 14:20:54 markva: would be nice if would respond on the list... 14:21:28 emma: suggest if you want to curate the goals of all the use case clusters, it would be nice to havea wiki page... start with the goals that markva's cluster has identified 14:21:33 ... so we only have one page 14:21:34 s/digital clusters/digital object cluster/ 14:21:39 ... not many pages 14:21:51 antoine: wouldn't that cause lots of duplication 14:22:14 markva: i think its the same thing as the requirements and topics... need a place to list them , discuss , curate... i think its very handy 14:22:26 emma: also wondering how much these goals overlap with requirements 14:22:38 ... there is wiki page with requirements... almost empty 14:22:48 ... if you have the goals... what would be the requirements? 14:23:07 markva: maybe the goals are a good place to start... if we get that coherently than we can move on to the dimensions and requirements 14:23:09 rrsagent, please draft minutes 14:23:09 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-minutes.html antoine 14:23:20 ... goals are hte most basic thing that use cases can accomplish 14:23:27 ... requirements can be something more detailed 14:23:48 antoine: if the digital object cluster team is happy to start such a goal place then you are welcome to start it 14:24:00 ... we can see if we find the same things with the other clusters 14:24:06 q+ 14:24:11 ... or at least on a similar level, i could see the goals being different 14:24:19 zakim, ack AlexanderH 14:24:19 I see no one on the speaker queue 14:24:20 AlexanderH: actually antoie i think you are right 14:24:24 ... they should be different 14:24:33 markva's email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Nov/0003.html 14:24:41 ... but actually much of the goals are detailed 14:24:53 ... if you want to keep the detailed goals the way they are i'm not sure it makes sense 14:25:19 markva: that's a good point, what i did, the iinitial list we have now is a refelection of the goals people have put into the use cacses 14:25:23 ... that's really all it is 14:25:38 ... if it's too detailed we need to make up our mind what is a goal and what is too detailed 14:25:47 ... at least this discussion needs to be initiated 14:25:56 antoine: ok, let's start the discussion in the coming days 14:26:02 ... that's for the methodological side of it 14:26:23 ... we also have to be more concrete and think of shepherds or rapporteurs to ... 14:26:39 ... have action on the agenda for people not at the F2F to volunteer to shepherd 14:26:52 ACTION: People who didn't attend the face-to-face should volunteer to shepherd a new use case. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-lld-minutes.html#action06] 14:26:55 --CONTINUES 14:27:09 ... if we go to list of use cases 14:27:10 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCases 14:27:28 ... jodi has indicated for the individual use cases if they are lacking a shepherd or not 14:27:40 ... turns out we have a bit more than the seven that are listed as orphaned on the agenda 14:27:46 one hint I think the detailed goals should be kept this way and not be generalized 14:27:52 ... so really if people can volunteer to take care of them that will be really welcome 14:27:55 there are 10 orphaned 14:27:57 ... need to sort that really soon 14:27:57 not like scribed 14:28:01 q+ 14:28:10 zakim, ack TomB 14:28:10 I see no one on the speaker queue 14:28:13 ... if there are cases that are not in clusters we might miss something really important 14:28:44 TomB: would be good if people who could not attend the F2F could volunteer to take care of the remaining cases because otherwise the work will fall disproportionately on the people who were able to attend 14:28:51 ... would be good to distribute that a little bit better 14:29:16 q+ 14:29:24 antoine: actually i'm looking at hte list of the cases and the ones for which jodi indicated they were lacking shepherds and there are some that are already clustered and i'm a bit suprised 14:29:28 zakim, ack emma 14:29:29 I see no one on the speaker queue 14:29:41 emma: just that some of the use cases that didnt have a rapporteur were adopted 14:29:51 ... wasn't necessarily presented 14:30:02 antoine: for example, use case data in ??? 14:30:15 ... had a small presentation on that was it by gordon? 14:30:20 s/???/Use Case Linked Data and legacy library applications 14:30:24 emma: authorclaim 14:31:06 antoine: the next one that is orphaned is the... XXX project... 14:31:17 marcia are you around can you take care of this use case? 14:31:22 marcia: what should we do? 14:31:34 antoine: in your case just be prepared to act as the shepherd for that use case 14:31:40 s/XXX/Archipel 14:31:43 ... the curators of the cluster may as kyou some qustions 14:32:00 ... in your specific case it would be nice if you could send the presentation that you showed me to the list 14:32:32 antoine: and then the other use cases that have no shepherd are in the not yet cluster 14:32:58 ACTION: Karen and Emma to curate archive cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action02] 14:33:01 antoine: ok so then we have all the actions on people to curate clusters.... 14:33:02 --CONTINUES 14:33:04 --CONTINUES 14:33:14 ACTION: Kai and Ed to curate citations cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action03] 14:33:17 --CONTINUES 14:34:04 bvatant: i think you said you were in that one as well (that one digital objects cluster) 14:34:14 s/bvatant/antoine/ 14:34:21 bvatant: i'm not aware of that.... 14:34:34 antoine: i think i've seen your name in irc channel 14:34:37 ACTION: Mark (and Jodi and Asaf) to curate digital objects cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action04] 14:34:40 --CONTINUES 14:34:41 bvatant: i think this was a mistake of the scribe 14:34:46 People who didn't attend the F2F should volunteer to help curate the clusters 14:34:52 ACTION: Gordon and Martin to curate bibliographic data cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action05] 14:34:57 --CONTINUES 14:35:03 ACTION: Jeff and Alexander to curate authority data cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action06] 14:35:09 -CONTINUES 14:35:14 --CONTINUES 14:35:16 ACTION: Antoine and Michael to curate vocabulary alignment cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action07] 14:35:21 --CONTINUES 14:35:41 antoine: then we have an action of people who were not at the F2F to volunteer to join a cluster 14:35:42 ACTION: People who were not at the face-to-face meeting volunteer to join a cluster [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-lld-minutes.html#action03] 14:35:47 --CONTINUES 14:35:55 ... not to have this continuing for a long time 14:36:05 ... maybe having one more week in which the people may volunteer 14:36:23 ... otherwise we have an issue with the curators knowing if they are alone or if someone will join after a while 14:36:35 ... unless someone sees it differently, would suggest to close the action next week 14:36:50 emma: suggest to send around an email so that people not on the telecon will know they have to do something 14:36:56 antoine: ok i will send something closer to the call 14:37:06 ... anyone have something to add to the use case topic before we moveon? 14:37:12 TOPIC: TOPICS 14:37:37 antoine: the first item to discuss is how we go forward with the topics and how we organise them into categories 14:37:57 ... first way is to use the wiki category system to connect use cases to topics 14:38:10 ... second proposal by bvatant to create rdf description of topics 14:38:15 q+ 14:38:23 ... next proposal have page with topics as subtitles 14:38:32 jodi: i don't think we really talked about it any further 14:38:35 zakim, ack emme 14:38:35 I see emma on the speaker queue 14:38:43 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Category:LLD 14:38:50 emma: i created something on the wiki just to show how it will look like, so i started to aggregate the categories and subcategories 14:38:59 ... here is what you get for a group of topics that are LLD 14:39:05 ... one page per subcategory 14:39:09 ... if you look at.... 14:39:22 ... you can see you have a description of the topic 14:39:31 ... probably a good starting point if you want toe elaborate 14:39:48 ... copy and paste these pieces of text into the final report 14:39:50 q+ 14:39:55 ... i think that's a useful way to go forward 14:40:04 antoine: that was really some fleshing out of what jodi has proposed 14:40:09 zakim, ack TomB 14:40:09 I see emma on the speaker queue 14:40:17 zakim, ack emma 14:40:17 I see no one on the speaker queue 14:40:24 TomB: i just edited one of the category pages that emma set up 14:40:35 ... i think the issue here is, how do we get from an analysis of the parts 14:40:39 ... to a complete report 14:40:53 ... and the crux of the question is whether we want to keep everything in one document 14:40:59 ... editing sections of one big document 14:41:11 ... or easier to have many smaller documents 14:41:17 ... and consolidate them later on 14:41:29 with Transclusion, we could aggregate the individual pages: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Transclusion 14:41:33 ... initially i was in favour of consolidated document 14:41:49 ... but i see the advantages of smaller files for curators 14:41:50 q+ 14:41:52 jar has left #lld 14:42:11 ww: in favor of the latter 14:42:21 ... easier to build a big documents from small ones 14:42:22 +1 14:42:22 Are topics also have curators? 14:42:25 jodi: actually you might have the solution 14:42:30 ... talking about transclusion 14:42:41 ... transclusion is a way of pulling small parts into a larger document 14:42:45 ... without copy and paste 14:42:56 ... can make a larger document by pulling together with transclusion 14:43:01 transclusion++ 14:43:02 jodi+ 14:43:02 +1 for smaller documents using transclusion 14:43:13 not tested 14:43:18 antoine: that does make sense... question is whether this stuff is activated in our wiki 14:43:26 jodi: in media wiki it is activated by default 14:43:31 ... we should try it but i think so 14:43:40 antoine: ok... could anyone have a try just to check? 14:44:05 ... if that works than that's clearly a point for the individual page solution to be the preferred one 14:44:27 q+ 14:44:27 ... tom or emma or jodi could you make a small test because you have started editing these pages? 14:44:35 jodi: ok, i can take a look 14:44:35 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Transclusion 14:44:40 antoine: thank you 14:44:42 zakim, ack Jodi 14:44:42 I see ww, TomB on the speaker queue 14:44:55 TomB: shoudl we take an action for jodi, having a proof of concept page that uses transclusion 14:45:14 ... that uses a lot of smaller pages... having that on the agenda for the next call would help us move forward 14:45:25 ACTION: Jodi to make a proof of concept transclusion page for next week 14:45:45 antoine: was also bvatant 's proposition of owl and rdf 14:46:04 bvatant: actually i had a very sketchy model of what could be done about the current content, topics, use cases and so on... 14:46:12 ... i see that things have evolved quite a lot since the f2f 14:46:24 ... if this is interesting i have to revisit it on the basis of how things are now organised 14:46:32 ... i have nothing very interesting to show right now 14:46:39 ... but if people think its interesting to go this way 14:46:54 ... the idea is to have a model of what we are working on... 14:47:01 ... as rdf data... eating your own dog food 14:47:06 q+ to suggest that we focus on producing the document 14:47:11 ... but maybe the way jodi proposes is nmore efficient 14:47:24 ... i can continue the action, but don't expect something very efficient in the week to come 14:47:31 bvatant: i'm not either :-) 14:47:36 ... i have to catch up on everything that happened on the f2f and i'm not yet there 14:47:40 bvatant: and i was there! :-) 14:47:47 zakim, ack TomB 14:47:47 TomB, you wanted to suggest that we focus on producing the document 14:47:48 I see ww on the speaker queue 14:48:03 TomB: what are our requirements here... i think our requirements is really to get the meeting notes to a draft of the report 14:48:20 ... i think its an interesting idea to use rdf descriptions, but i'm not sure what requirement that's meeting 14:48:30 ... not sure that would really help us move towards a completed report 14:48:43 ... unless the rdf would help us create interesting visualisations that we could use in the report 14:48:51 q+ to link to Paul's tool 14:48:59 ... otherwise i suggest we mmove on getting a rough draft ideally beforethe holidays 14:49:05 zakim, ack ww 14:49:05 I see antoine on the speaker queue 14:49:12 zakim, ack me 14:49:12 antoine, you wanted to link to Paul's tool 14:49:13 I see no one on the speaker queue 14:49:26 antoine: to think about mentioning, TomB was talking about visualisation 14:49:39 ... wondering if bvatant 's idea of rdf description would 14:49:46 ... visualisation of clusters and vocabularies 14:49:54 ... perhaps this could be related to the topic as well 14:50:12 q+ 14:50:13 ... i would support what TomB said, but keep an eye on this idea of bvatant 's and try to relate them 14:50:23 zakim, ack bvatant 14:50:23 I see no one on the speaker queue 14:50:34 bvatant: to go along with what TomB said to get on with the taks at hand and the bandwidth of everybody 14:50:42 ... doesn't seem like a priority task 14:50:57 ... unless it seems like it is useful for a visualisation purposes 14:51:16 ... maybe when the overall document structure is more settled 14:51:16 q+ to ask if Paul's tool is in the agenda - maybe Ed can comment? 14:51:20 ... will be easier to produce 14:51:26 zakim, ack TomB 14:51:26 TomB, you wanted to ask if Paul's tool is in the agenda - maybe Ed can comment? 14:51:28 I see no one on the speaker queue 14:51:35 TomB: occurs to me that paul's tool... 14:51:41 ... is it in the agenda? 14:51:48 antoine: it is in the vocabulary section 14:51:52 ->http://www.paulwalk.net/lldvis/ 14:51:55 ... an item to report on exactly this 14:52:03 rrsagent, please draft minutes 14:52:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-minutes.html emma 14:52:13 ... perhaps we can jump to that specific item right now if it's really close to the issue on this rdf discription 14:52:21 ... edsu do you have something to say? 14:52:24 edsu: not right now 14:52:32 antoine: ok we'll keep an eye and come back to it 14:52:39 edsu: rdf description of what? 14:52:40 q+ to ask Ed how the tool works 14:52:59 antoine: bvatant is proposing that we create and rdf description of the topics... i think htis would be more or less related to what paul has done 14:53:08 edsu: what purpose would it serve? 14:53:16 ... other than eating our own tasteless dog food 14:53:30 antoine: i think everyone agreed it might be a low priority item... 14:53:36 present+: jodi, ww 14:53:39 ... have a mapping, more dynamic... 14:54:07 antoine: not discuss it right now but ckeep it in mind for the future 14:54:14 ... something that might be a bit more urgent... 14:54:20 zakim, ack TomB 14:54:20 TomB, you wanted to ask Ed how the tool works 14:54:20 TomB: just wanted to ask edsu something 14:54:22 I see no one on the speaker queue 14:54:28 ... how does paul's tool work? 14:54:34 ... what's behind that? 14:54:46 ... is it something that can generate other visualisations that might be useful for the report? 14:55:00 ... what's your sense of the usefulness or how we can use the tool that paul put together 14:55:11 edsu: my understanding is he bascically scrapted to wiki 14:55:14 ... using regexps 14:55:23 ... to get the data out into another form which he put into a database 14:55:28 -> http://www.paulwalk.net/lldvis/topics 14:55:32 https://github.com/paulwalk/lldvis/tree/master/test/fixtures/ 14:55:33 ... and put the web app on top of it 14:55:35 ooops... 14:55:41 ... those are the database fixtures 14:55:43 s/scrapted/scraped 14:55:44 I didn't notice that the start time had changed 14:55:50 ... the data he scraped out saved it off into these files 14:56:11 ... i don't know ho... you'd have to ask paul if the routines he wrote... are things that can be run routinely or not? 14:56:28 Asaf has joined #lld 14:56:30 TomB: it's available on github so in principle we could use this if we saw a need to extend it 14:56:35 emma: ok, thanks 14:56:43 edsu: it's on github... he actually made it run somewhere on the web... 14:56:57 q+ Back to the topics: what should be included in the topic pages Emma created? Who will contribute? Will they be curated? 14:57:05 ... he found it useful to grapple with.. because he's new to the group... to get an idea of the use cases etc. 14:57:12 ... used as a tool for himself to try to understand 14:57:20 antoine: keep in agenda... come back to it a bt later 14:57:30 zakim, ack Marcia 14:57:30 I see Back on the speaker queue 14:57:34 Marcia: i want to get back to the topics pages that emma created 14:57:41 ack Back 14:57:41 Back, you wanted to the topics: what should be included in the topic pages Emma created? Who will contribute? Will they be curated? 14:57:42 ... i wonder what should be in each subtopic 14:57:48 ... who will contribute... 14:58:02 ... top the topics, the sub-pages 14:58:16 q+ 14:58:16 antoine: first the fact that the topics are related to the use cases would be exteremely informative 14:58:21 ... there's no doubt about that 14:58:29 ... that's how the topic page started 14:58:41 zakim, ack emma 14:58:42 I see no one on the speaker queue 14:58:42 ... w.r.t. the content of the page, the description, the one liners could also be put there 14:58:47 emma: wanted to make that a little clearere 14:59:10 ... when we're curating the use cases clusters we can add it to the topic by using two square brackets 14:59:18 ... and that will add it to the topic page 14:59:26 sorry, i had the wrong url for the data that paul scraped from the wiki: https://github.com/paulwalk/lldvis/blob/master/db/seeds.rb 14:59:26 ... and look in the minutes for more detail 14:59:43 antoine: i think we have to wrap it very shortly, so keep this in the agenda for next time... 14:59:52 ... just have a quick rush on the actions 15:00:00 ... to check whether there is anything specific to say on that 15:01:11 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-minutes.html TomB 15:02:01 present+: rsinger 15:02:35 :) 15:02:39 Admin topic ...... next Thursday is a holiday in the US 15:02:43 Regrets+ Guenther, Joachim, Kai 15:02:46 antoine: other business? 15:02:57 ? 15:02:57 (continue all other actions) 15:03:12 next thursday? 15:03:13 antoine: if noone has any other comment.... 15:03:23 ... thank you everyone for attending 15:03:32 ADJOURNED 15:03:37 bye! 15:03:41 thanks! 15:03:52 ACTION: GordonD and antoine to study use cases that relate to vocabulary merging use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action01] 15:03:54 --CONTINUES 15:03:54 jeff_ has left #lld 15:04:01 ACTION: Jeff to review the UK eGovernment document on identifiers. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action03] 15:04:04 --CONTINUES 15:04:09 ACTION: Alex, Jeff, Martin, MichaelP elaborate on general purpose IT architecture for dealing with linked data with caching feature [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action04] 15:04:12 --CONTINUES 15:04:17 ACTION: Emma and Antoine to create use case DATA.SEARCH-OPTIMIZATION [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action06] 15:04:21 --CONTINUES 15:04:31 ACTION: for each use case champion: on the Vocabularies page, link to each URL use case that uses it [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/mIncubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action01] 15:04:33 --CONTINUES 15:04:45 ACTION: Ross to create a page with LLD data sets on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html#action11] 15:04:48 --DONE 15:04:55 --> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Library_data_in_Semantic_Web_formats 15:05:02 ACTION: ww to present on how to use CKAN [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-lld-minutes.html#action01] 15:05:05 --CONTINUES 15:05:15 ACTION: on everyone to update the Events page (http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/LLD/Events) on the wiki regularly [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action05] 15:05:19 --CONTINUES 15:05:23 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:05:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-minutes.html TomB 15:07:30 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:07:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-minutes.html antoine 15:08:19 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:08:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-minutes.html emma 15:09:38 http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc 15:11:06 jodi has left #LLD 15:21:12 INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has ended 15:21:13 Attendees were 15:31:27 zakim, bye 15:31:27 Zakim has left #lld 15:31:33 rrsagent, bye 15:31:33 I see 17 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-actions.rdf : 15:31:33 ACTION: People who didn't attend the face-to-face should volunteer to shepherd a new use case. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-lld-minutes.html#action06] [1] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T14-26-52 15:31:33 ACTION: Karen and Emma to curate archive cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action02] [2] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T14-32-58 15:31:33 ACTION: Kai and Ed to curate citations cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action03] [3] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T14-33-14 15:31:33 ACTION: Mark (and Jodi and Asaf) to curate digital objects cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action04] [4] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T14-34-37 15:31:33 ACTION: Gordon and Martin to curate bibliographic data cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action05] [5] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T14-34-52 15:31:33 ACTION: Jeff and Alexander to curate authority data cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action06] [6] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T14-35-03 15:31:33 ACTION: Antoine and Michael to curate vocabulary alignment cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action07] [7] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T14-35-16 15:31:33 ACTION: People who were not at the face-to-face meeting volunteer to join a cluster [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-lld-minutes.html#action03] [8] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T14-35-42 15:31:33 ACTION: Jodi to make a proof of concept transclusion page for next week [9] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T14-45-25 15:31:33 ACTION: GordonD and antoine to study use cases that relate to vocabulary merging use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action01] [10] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T15-03-52 15:31:33 ACTION: Jeff to review the UK eGovernment document on identifiers. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action03] [11] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T15-04-01 15:31:33 ACTION: Alex, Jeff, Martin, MichaelP elaborate on general purpose IT architecture for dealing with linked data with caching feature [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action04] [12] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T15-04-09 15:31:33 ACTION: Emma and Antoine to create use case DATA.SEARCH-OPTIMIZATION [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action06] [13] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T15-04-17 15:31:33 ACTION: for each use case champion: on the Vocabularies page, link to each URL use case that uses it [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/mIncubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action01] [14] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T15-04-31 15:31:33 ACTION: Ross to create a page with LLD data sets on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html#action11] [15] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T15-04-45 15:31:33 ACTION: ww to present on how to use CKAN [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-lld-minutes.html#action01] [16] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T15-05-02 15:31:33 ACTION: on everyone to update the Events page (http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/LLD/Events) on the wiki regularly [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action05] [17] 15:31:33 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-lld-irc#T15-05-15