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12:46:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be UW_POI
12:46:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_POI(POIWG)9:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
12:46:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Points of Interest Working Group Teleconference
12:46:40 <trackbot> Date: 27 October 2010
12:46:52 <matt> zakim, ping me in 13 minutes
12:46:52 <Zakim> ok, matt
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12:58:34 <matt> zakim, code?
12:58:34 <Zakim> the conference code is 76494 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), matt
12:58:38 <marengo> Zakim, aabb is me
12:58:38 <Zakim> +marengo; got it
12:58:40 <Zakim> +Andy
12:58:44 <marengo> Zakim, mute me
12:58:44 <Zakim> marengo was already muted, marengo
12:58:58 <Zakim> +Matt
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12:59:55 <Zakim> sorry, ajbraun, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
12:59:55 <matt> zakim, unmute jdesmit 
12:59:56 <Zakim> jdesmit should no longer be muted
13:00:06 <matt> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:00:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see jdesmit, marengo (muted), Andy (muted), Gary (muted), Matt
13:00:13 <Zakim> +Jacques
13:00:15 <matt> zakim, unmute andy
13:00:15 <Zakim> Andy should no longer be muted
13:00:19 <Zakim> +Karl
13:00:19 <ggale> zakim, unmute me
13:00:20 <Zakim> sorry, ggale, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
13:00:29 <matt> zakim, unmute gary
13:00:29 <Zakim> Gary should no longer be muted
13:00:42 <matt> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:00:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see jdesmit, marengo (muted), Andy, Gary, Matt, Jacques (muted), Karl (muted)
13:00:44 <Zakim> +Vinnie_Reynolds
13:00:47 <matt> zakim, unmute all
13:00:47 <Zakim> sorry, matt, I do not know which phone connection belongs to all
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13:00:56 <matt> zakim, unmute jacques
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13:01:17 <matt> zakim, unmute karl
13:01:17 <Zakim> Karl should no longer be muted
13:01:21 <matt> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:01:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see jdesmit, marengo (muted), Andy, Gary, Matt, Jacques, Karl, Vinnie_Reynolds (muted)
13:01:36 <matt> zakim, unmute vinnie 
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13:01:38 <marengo> zakim, unmute me
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13:01:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:02:05 <matt> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:02:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see jdesmit, marengo, Andy, Gary, Matt, Jacques, Karl, Vinnie_Reynolds, [IPcaller] (muted)
13:02:09 <matt> zakim, unmute ipcaller 
13:02:09 <Zakim> [IPcaller] should no longer be muted
13:02:20 <matt> zakim, ipcaller is Ronald
13:02:20 <Zakim> +Ronald; got it
13:02:42 <matt> zakim, mute me
13:02:42 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
13:03:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:03:10 <matt> zakim, unmute me
13:03:10 <Zakim> Matt should no longer be muted
13:03:11 <danbri> zakim, [IPcaller] is danbri
13:03:12 <Zakim> +danbri; got it
13:03:41 <matt> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:03:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see jdesmit, marengo, Andy, Gary, Matt, Jacques, Karl, Vinnie_Reynolds, Ronald, danbri (muted)
13:04:10 <matt> Scribe: jdesmit 
13:04:34 <matt> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-poiwg/2010Oct/0049
13:04:43 <matt> zakim, mute me
13:04:43 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
13:04:43 <jdesmit> ajbarun: walks through the agenda
13:05:00 <Ronald> zakim, mute me
13:05:00 <Zakim> Ronald should now be muted
13:05:08 <matt> zakim, who is noisy?
13:05:13 <matt> Topic: The Wiki
13:05:23 <Zakim> matt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jdesmit (70%), Andy (60%), Jacques (11%)
13:06:09 <jdesmit> ajbraun: re-iterates jdesmit's proposal how to handle editing the terminology wiki
13:06:09 <matt> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-poiwg/2010Oct/0022.html Jens wiki mail
13:06:11 <matt> q+
13:06:18 <ggale> +1 to that suggestion
13:06:34 <danbri> +1 public is good! 
13:06:34 <matt> Topic: Mailing list usage
13:06:53 <matt> ACTION: andrew to send out mail describing mailing list usage
13:06:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Send out mail describing mailing list usage [on Andrew Braun - due 2010-11-03].
13:06:56 <matt> zakim, unmute me
13:06:56 <Zakim> Matt should no longer be muted
13:06:59 <jdesmit> ajbraun: proposes to do as much discussion on the public list
13:07:27 <jdesmit> matt: only use member mailing list for arranging f2f and such; stuff that is REALLY only relevant to member
13:08:11 <matt> zakim, mute me
13:08:11 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
13:08:13 <matt> q-
13:08:21 <jdesmit> matt: issues that need resolution when there is a problem that needs a resolution, that's member list. the rest is public list
13:08:38 <matt> zakim, unmute me
13:08:38 <Zakim> Matt should no longer be muted
13:08:41 <jdesmit> ajbraun: even updating the wiki and getting the word out is good for the public list
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13:10:23 <matt> -> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=45386&public=1 Participant list
13:10:25 <jdesmit> matt: you can set up watchlists for the wiki if you want to track something
13:10:55 <jdesmit> ??: is the wiki editable by all?
13:11:07 <jdesmit> matt: no, only WG members
13:11:11 <matt> s/??/Gary/
13:11:49 <jdesmit> matt: we will need to decide how to organize the wiki, but it's working out ok now. future action item though
13:13:34 <matt> Topic: Agenda handling
13:12:03 <matt> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/wiki/Agenda Agenda page
13:12:55 <jdesmit> matt: Andy put up a page with all the agendas. you can edit the agenda if you have items and Andy will finalize it ~ 48hrs before the next call
13:12:55 <matt> [[He will organize the suggestions and send out an official agenda 24-48 hours in advance]]
13:13:34 <matt> zakim, who is making noise?
13:13:44 <Zakim> matt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jdesmit (56%), Matt (46%)
13:13:44 <matt> Topic: Face-to-Face
13:14:27 <jdesmit> ajbraun: sent out a proposal for face to face 8-9 december in Atlanta
13:14:40 <matt> -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/45386/POIWG-F2F-2010/ Poll for F2F in Atlanta
13:15:00 <jdesmit> ajbraun: would like to get a feeling for how many people will attend, please fill in the poll
13:15:36 <jdesmit> ggale: can't make it that week. the week of the 13th would suit me better
13:16:07 <danbri> (though I won't be able to make the trip, I know that...)
13:16:29 <jdesmit> ajbraun: would be good if we know what we're up to before the next call
13:16:45 <ggale> Idealistic but it would be good if we could *all* be there ... would achieve much more IMHO
13:17:24 <jdesmit> jdesmit: can't make it either if it's that weel
13:17:24 <Ronald> For me a week later (13th) would be a bit better as well
13:17:35 <jdesmit> ronald: would like the 13th better as well
13:17:39 <ggale> Suggestion ... if there's too much dissent on the f2f meeting ... we could push it to early 2011 after the New Year festivities
13:17:50 <jdesmit> ajbraun: later may cause us trouble with holidays and all
13:17:57 <matt> zakim, unmute me
13:17:57 <Zakim> Matt was not muted, matt
13:18:02 <matt> zakim, mute me
13:18:02 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
13:18:08 <matt> Topic: Action Item Review: Terminology
13:18:26 <matt> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/wiki/Terminology Terminology Wiki page
13:18:30 <ggale> +q
13:18:43 <jdesmit> ajbraun: started a terminology wiki
13:18:47 <matt> ack next
13:18:58 <matt> zakim, unmute me
13:18:58 <Zakim> Matt should no longer be muted
13:19:11 <matt> zakim, mute me
13:19:11 <Zakim> Matt should now be muted
13:19:24 <matt> zakim, who is noisy?
13:19:37 <Zakim> matt, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: jdesmit (16%)
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13:19:44 <ajbraun> matt, Need to head out. I think the terminology is a good start
13:19:56 <matt> Chair: Andy, Matt
13:20:01 <jdesmit> ggale: started the wiki page by going through old conversations
13:20:14 <matt> q+ to address the questions from mail
13:20:26 <Zakim> -Andy
13:20:26 <jdesmit> ggale: probably some gaps in it, definitely a WIP, hopefully will grow in the next weeks
13:20:28 <matt> zakim, umute me
13:20:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'umute me', matt
13:20:36 <matt> zakim, unmute me
13:20:36 <Zakim> Matt should no longer be muted
13:20:42 <jdesmit> ajbraun: was a good start
13:21:01 <ajbraun> bye to all sorry for the speedy exit. ANSWER the POLL please
13:21:04 <jdesmit> matt: takes over chairing from Andy who got another meeting
13:21:32 <vin> I'm having trouble dialling in. I'm temporarily in a new home, and have no international call privelages. my colleague vinod is here though who can answer questions on my behalf
13:21:35 <jdesmit> matt: mail from Christine: what was the purpose of the terminology wiki?
13:22:00 <matt> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-poiwg/2010Oct/0022.html Jens reply
13:22:21 <ajbraun> Try calling through google chat should be free to US number
13:22:40 <jdesmit> ggale: jens' email summarizes my proposal: the terminology is for within the group
13:23:26 <ggale> +1 for reviewing action items
13:23:52 <matt> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/track/actions Tracker actions
13:24:12 <matt> "ACTION-4"
13:24:31 <matt> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/track/actions/4 Action 4
13:24:32 <ggale> Mea culpa .... will know for next time
13:24:45 <jdesmit> matt: going over how to work with action items when typing e-mails
13:24:48 <Karl_> +q
13:24:54 <matt> close ACTION-4
13:24:54 <trackbot> ACTION-4 Start terminology page on POI wiki closed
13:25:02 <ggale> Yay!
13:25:15 <jdesmit> matt: shows how to close an action item through irc
13:25:50 <matt> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/track/actions/open Open Action Items
13:26:02 <matt> ack me
13:26:02 <Zakim> matt, you wanted to address the questions from mail
13:26:02 <matt> ack 
13:26:03 <matt> karl
13:26:07 <matt> ack karl
13:26:07 <matt> Topic: Action Item Review: Use cases
13:26:41 <jdesmit> Karl_: about ACTION-3, not sure if my spreadsheet got through to the rest because permissions had not been setup yet
13:26:46 <jdesmit> matt: did not see it...
13:27:25 <jdesmit> Karl_: can I send it through again?
13:27:49 <jdesmit> matt: send it through the public mailing list or the wiki. If it's not too big, do it on the list
13:28:17 <matt> close ACTION-5
13:28:18 <trackbot> ACTION-5 Introduce Matt and Andy to Korean potential IEs closed
13:28:25 <matt> ACTION: matt to follow-up on Korean contacts
13:28:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Follow-up on Korean contacts [on Matt Womer - due 2010-11-03].
13:28:55 <Karl_> ACTION-3 sent to member email
13:29:41 <Ronald> got the mail
13:30:02 <matt> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-poiwg/2010Oct/0058.html Karl's action item
13:30:34 <jdesmit> Karl_: sent the results of ACTION-3
13:30:41 <jdesmit> matt: shall we walk through it?
13:31:20 <jdesmit> Karl_: 4 categories; Search, Destination Selection, B2B, Informational
13:31:27 <matt> ACTION: Karl to move usecases XLS to wiki
13:31:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-8 - Move usecases XLS to wiki [on Karl Seiler - due 2010-11-03].
13:32:01 <jdesmit> matt: go through it one by one?
13:32:15 <jdesmit> Karl_: let's not take call time for that, but everybody please read through it
13:32:41 <jdesmit> ACTION: all to read Karl's use cases once on the wiki
13:32:46 <matt> Topic: Reviewing Our Deliverables
13:33:22 <jdesmit> matt: time to start thinking about what we're going to be producing
13:33:28 <matt> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/charter/ Charter
13:33:42 <jdesmit> matt: charter is mostly a stake in the ground to get going from
13:34:33 <ggale> +q
13:34:54 <jdesmit> matt: charter contains a 'recommendation' and some 'notes'. difference between recommendation and notes is that a recommendation is subject to all the IP hoo-ha of the W3C, notes are less stringent
13:35:35 <Karl_> lets add that term to the list - "IP hoo-ha"
13:35:47 <jdesmit> matt: reiterates the deliveables in the charter
13:36:16 <matt> ack ggale 
13:36:55 <jdesmit> ggale: I have a problem with the phrase "focus on POI use within AR applications"
13:37:20 <jdesmit> ggale: there are a whole lot of non-AR POI use cases in the real world right now
13:37:37 <jdesmit> ggale: a focus on AR would be a disservice to the rest of the field
13:37:45 <danbri> q+ to comment on " This group will primarily focus on POI use within AR applications "
13:37:48 <jdesmit> matt: AR was the main driver for this group forming
13:38:03 <jdesmit> matt: we can also add deliverables if we want to
13:38:25 <jdesmit> matt: that's why the "core" deliverable is formulated AR-free
13:38:33 <jdesmit> ggale: AR as driver for the WG is new to me
13:38:52 <Karl_> yes for AR is an example of the need for connectivity, one of many uses, but not the only or core purpose
13:39:20 <matt> q?
13:39:26 <matt> ack danbri
13:39:27 <Zakim> danbri, you wanted to comment on " This group will primarily focus on POI use within AR applications "
13:39:41 <jdesmit> ggale: all this AR on the charter might put off people
13:40:39 <Karl_> so what's the process to amend the charter?
13:40:45 <jdesmit> matt: we can have a separate AR call or taskforce if we need to.
13:41:02 <danbri> what's good for general POI exchange, so long as it's extensible, should be good for AR; and AR is a great sanity-check use case for us
13:41:36 <jdesmit> matt: I think the "core" is where most of the hard work is going to be done
13:41:42 <ggale> So does someone want to take a stab at rewording the charter?
13:41:46 <Ronald> Agree that the core POI should be general, and use AR as a good use case
13:41:53 <jdesmit> and we really should keep extensibility and mutiple uses in mind
13:42:07 <jdesmit> matt: don't be put off by the word AR just yet
13:42:19 <jdesmit> matt: amending the charter already might be a little early
13:42:21 <marengo> +1 to keep AR in the background (e.g. a use case)
13:42:30 <matt> q?
13:42:33 <ggale> Not trying to derail ... merely clarify
13:43:08 <danbri> I take it along lines of ... "This group will primarily focus on POI re-use; in particular taking AR applications as a source for requirements and for evaluating it's work in a demanding setting." (but +1 on not formally redoing the charter)
13:43:18 <jdesmit> +1
13:43:20 <Karl_> q+
13:43:58 <ggale> Someone's line died
13:43:59 <jdesmit> matt: previous process that worked is starting with a ToC
13:44:04 <danbri> matt?
13:44:06 <danbri> we lost audio
13:44:07 <Zakim> -Matt
13:44:10 <matt> zakim, dial matt-voip
13:44:10 <Zakim> ok, matt; the call is being made
13:44:12 <Zakim> +Matt
13:44:26 <matt> zakim,unmute me
13:44:26 <Zakim> Matt should no longer be muted
13:44:30 <ggale> I can hear myself on echo so I must still be on the call
13:44:42 <jdesmit> matt: sorry, phone crashed
13:44:53 <jdesmit> matt: so, start off with a skeleton ToC/document structure
13:44:55 <Zakim> -Jacques
13:44:57 <jlemorda> AR is probably more difficult than non AR?
13:45:08 <Karl_> q+
13:45:11 <matt> q?
13:45:18 <matt> ack next
13:45:25 <jdesmit> matt: anyone want to volunteer to start on this doc, manage the process?
13:45:46 <jlemorda> yes
13:45:47 <jdesmit> Karl_: from the e-mail I gather there's a lot of good existing work that we should use
13:45:49 <matt> [[I should have started with reviewing what's out there, yikes, sorry]]
13:46:14 <jdesmit> Karl_: we really should pull together budding standards, emerging POI formats that are in the world out there
13:46:30 <jdesmit> Karl_: and then as a group do cherry picking on the best ones
13:47:14 <jdesmit> matt: maybe we want to start a wiki page collecting existing standards?
13:47:45 <Karl_> right and start the work of extracting pros and cons and best reuse sections
13:48:03 <matt> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/wiki/Related_Specifications Related Specifications page
13:48:09 <jdesmit> matt: gonna make a wiki page with related stuff, please make contributions to it
13:48:34 <jdesmit> matt: don't be shy about adding stuff :)
13:48:36 <Karl_> +1
13:48:43 <Ronald> Sounds good
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13:50:25 <jdesmit> matt: next week is big W3C meeting in France, so no call
13:50:43 <jdesmit> matt: but, please work through e-mail
13:50:48 <jdesmit> +q
13:50:51 <matt> ack next
13:51:07 <jdesmit> jdesmit: We should work on terminology and related specifications?
13:51:25 <ggale> So to confirm, there's no call on 11/3 ... ?
13:51:30 <jlemorda> will give a demo with audio POI at TPAC
13:51:30 <jdesmit> matt: yes
13:52:11 <matt> zakim, who is muted?
13:52:11 <Zakim> I see Ronald muted
13:52:13 <danbri> oh cool
13:52:16 <Karl_> was the poll via email, can not find?
13:52:27 <jdesmit> matt: Jacques will give demo of Audio POI at TPAC similar to what he showed at ISMAR
13:52:32 <matt> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:52:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/27-poiwg-minutes.html matt
13:52:38 <Karl_> thx
13:52:39 <matt> rrsagent, make logs public
13:52:59 <matt> Topic: Action items for everyone
13:52:59 <matt> scribe: matt
13:53:10 <matt> matt: 1. Answer the F2F poll: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/45386/POIWG-F2F-2010/
13:53:11 <Karl_> Sorry, Insufficient Access Privileges - t get to the poll
13:53:26 <matt> 2. Update the related specifications page: http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/wiki/Related_Specifications
13:53:36 <Karl_> good
13:54:13 <danbri> where would i put something like this? http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/oxpoints/index.xml.ID=body.1_div.2 ...  ... oxford uni db of points (of various kinds) around campus
13:54:21 <matt> 3. Contribute use cases to: http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/wiki/Use_Cases
13:54:54 <matt> 4. Ponder the Table of Contents/Skeleton form for our three documents
13:55:09 <matt> 5. Consider whether you can be a gatekeeper/editor of the documents
13:52:59 <matt> scribe: jdesmit
13:55:37 <danbri> q+ to ask about kinds of user (personas?) re Use cases (eg. client side .js developer, mobile developer, search engine architect, mapping professional, Actual End User [of various kinds] ...
13:55:44 <jdesmit> matt: so these are the 5 things to work on/consider the next two weeks
13:55:44 <matt> Topic: Use Case Organization
13:55:47 <matt> ack next
13:55:48 <Zakim> danbri, you wanted to ask about kinds of user (personas?) re Use cases (eg. client side .js developer, mobile developer, search engine architect, mapping professional, Actual End
13:55:51 <Zakim> ... User [of various kinds] ...
13:56:08 <matt> zakim, who is noisy?
13:56:18 <Zakim> matt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jdesmit (41%), Gary (1%), danbri (54%)
13:56:21 <jdesmit> danbri: thinking about use cases: developers and such and end users
13:56:29 <jdesmit> danbri: how should we organize this?
13:56:40 <jdesmit> matt: haven't given it any thought myself
13:57:25 <jdesmit> Karl_: let's classify use cases by their perspective and perhaps some other categories. I'll take a pass at that
13:57:29 <matt> ACTION: Karl to add a persona/perspective type field to use cases.
13:57:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Add a persona/perspective type field to use cases. [on Karl Seiler - due 2010-11-03].
13:57:29 <matt> Topic: Other business
13:57:40 <danbri> biggest distinction I see is end-user of some system, versus technology-user of this W3C POI WG tech/standard; presumably the two are quite related...
13:58:07 <jdesmit> ggale: do we want to try and build on the discussion of "what constitues a POI"?
13:58:39 <jdesmit> ggale: because I think we were getting somewhere, would be great to codify it somewhere
13:58:42 <Karl_> yes, i will primarily focus on non-end user as we drill into details, those aspect of use cases needing enablement
13:58:44 <jdesmit> matt: sounds like an action item
13:58:50 <jdesmit> ggale: oh, go on then
13:58:51 <matt> ACTION: Gary to codify on the WIki the "What is an Point of Interest" discussion
13:58:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Codify on the WIki the "What is an Point of Interest" discussion [on Gary Gale - due 2010-11-03].
13:59:12 <jdesmit> ggale: another action item for someone: please beautify the terminology page if you know some wiki markup
13:59:15 <danbri> if we chose say 200 *actual* points of interest, we could use that as a metric for when the group is "done", ie. when we've adequately described them all
13:59:26 <jdesmit> ggale: make it look as if we're a bunch of professional, not like this
13:59:43 <matt> ACTION: Matt to make the terminology page look nicer
13:59:44 <jdesmit> matt: I was planning on trying to figure out a style for us to use so I'll take that
13:59:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Make the terminology page look nicer [on Matt Womer - due 2010-11-03].
13:59:53 <matt> ACTION: Matt to work on style guide for Wiki usage
13:59:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Work on style guide for Wiki usage [on Matt Womer - due 2010-11-03].
14:00:36 <jdesmit> matt: thanks all. remember that there will not be an offical call next week
14:00:45 <Zakim> -danbri
14:00:46 <Zakim> -Karl
14:00:47 <Zakim> -Gary
14:00:48 <Zakim> -Vinnie_Reynolds
14:00:50 <Karl_> ok, adios
14:00:51 <Zakim> -marengo
14:00:52 <matt> zakim, drop me
14:00:52 <Zakim> Matt is being disconnected
14:00:52 <Zakim> -Matt
14:00:54 <Zakim> -Ronald
14:00:55 <ggale> Have a good week everyone
14:01:04 <jdesmit> matt: the conference is open so you can start a chat if there's a big discussion
14:01:10 <Ronald> Thanks everybody
14:01:18 <matt> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:01:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/27-poiwg-minutes.html matt
14:05:39 <matt> zakim, who is here?
14:05:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see jdesmit
14:05:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see ajbraun, Ronald, ggale, jdesmit, marengo, Zakim, RRSAgent, danbri, matt, trackbot
14:05:43 <matt> zakim, drop jdesmit 
14:05:43 <Zakim> jdesmit is being disconnected
14:05:45 <Zakim> UW_POI(POIWG)9:00AM has ended
14:05:48 <Zakim> Attendees were +31.30.230.aaaa, Vinnie_Reynolds, +39.011.228.aabb, marengo, Andy, Matt, Gary, jdesmit, Jacques, Karl, Ronald, danbri
14:05:53 <marengo> marengo has left #poiwg
14:06:09 <matt> Present: Andy_Braun,Vinnie_Reynolds, Marco_MArengo, Gary_Gale, Jens_de_Smit, Jacques_Lemordant, Karl_Seiler, Ronald_van_der_Lingen, Dan_Brickley,  Matt_Womer
14:06:09 <matt> rrsagent, stop