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21:58:46 <janina> zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(A11Y)
21:58:46 <Zakim> ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(A11Y)6:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
21:58:52 <janina> zakim, call janina
21:58:52 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
21:58:53 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(A11Y)6:00PM has now started
21:58:56 <Zakim> +Janina
21:58:59 <Zakim> +Sean_Hayes
22:01:02 <Zakim> +silvia
22:01:40 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
22:01:40 <janina> Chair:  Janina_Sajka
22:01:40 <janina> agenda: this
22:01:40 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe
22:01:40 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review
22:01:40 <janina> agenda+ Status Updates & Brief Reports; User Reqs; Spec Text Modifications;
22:01:43 <janina> agenda+ Technical Requirements Prioritizations and Dependencies
22:01:45 <janina> agenda+         WCAG Mapping
22:01:46 <janina> agenda+         Must/Should/May Categorizations
22:01:48 <janina> agenda+ Handling Multiple Tracks
22:01:50 <janina> agenda+ Candidate Formats Review Preparation: WebSRT; TTML; Others?
22:01:53 <janina> agenda+ Other Business?
22:01:54 <janina> agenda+ next meeting
22:01:56 <janina> agenda+ be done
22:03:33 <Zakim> +Judy
22:03:34 <janina>  zakim, who's here?
22:03:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Janina, Sean_Hayes, silvia, Judy
22:03:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Sean, MikeSmith, silvia, sideshow, trackbot
22:03:58 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
22:04:25 <silvia> zakim, mute me
22:04:25 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
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22:05:10 <janina> zakim, next item
22:05:10 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from janina]
22:05:34 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
22:06:05 <janina> zakim, who's here?
22:06:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Janina, Sean_Hayes, silvia (muted), Judy, John_Foliot, [Microsoft]
22:06:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see JF, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Sean, MikeSmith, silvia, sideshow, trackbot
22:06:11 <frankolivier> frankolivier has joined #html-a11y
22:06:38 <janina> zakim, microsoft is Frank_Olivier
22:06:38 <Zakim> +Frank_Olivier; got it
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22:07:21 <janina> scribe: John
22:07:29 <janina> scribe: John_Foliot
22:07:43 <JF> scribe: JF
22:08:07 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes public
22:08:07 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', janina.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
22:08:16 <janina> rrsagent, make log public
22:08:24 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
22:08:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/27-html-a11y-minutes.html janina
22:08:33 <janina> scribe: jf
22:08:41 <janina> zakim, next item
22:08:41 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Actions Review" taken up [from janina]
22:09:23 <JF> seems we have no more open action items effective today
22:10:12 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
22:10:12 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
22:10:20 <JF> although this might be due to problems with the W3C systems
22:10:41 <JF> systems tech guys have been dealing with larger system wide issues
22:11:11 <JF> Silvia: this might not be affecting us, thinks we are actually in good shape
22:11:15 <silvia> zakim, mute me
22:11:15 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
22:11:29 <janina> zakim, next item
22:11:29 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Status Updates & Brief Reports; User Reqs; Spec Text Modifications;" taken up [from janina]
22:11:32 <JF> Janina: reminder about W3C fishing attemps of late
22:13:03 <JF> Judy: have checked the most recent TR draft, and that none of the language we were concerned about is included
22:13:53 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
22:13:53 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
22:14:03 <JF> we will be using bugzilla to get the text cleaned up
22:14:16 <JF> to remove references to WebSRT from the Editor's Draft
22:14:26 <Zakim> -Sean_Hayes
22:14:42 <JF> Silvia: happy with the framework, but we need to remove references to WebSRT
22:15:11 <JF> Judy: think it would be good to move quickly to get bugs filed
22:15:13 <Zakim> +Sean_Hayes
22:15:31 <JF> propose language thta would replace existing text with neutral language
22:16:04 <JF> did we resolve who would be filing actual bugs last week? (seems no)
22:16:24 <JF> Judy will then seek to have those bugs acted upon quickly
22:16:51 <JF> Silvia: Efic was going to try and approach hixie about removing the text himself and make it more neutral
22:16:59 <JF> Not sure if hixie would be open to that
22:17:09 <JF> s/Efic/Eric
22:17:38 <JF> Sean: prepared to work on this, but unsure on how to proceed
22:17:59 <JF> Judy: would be good if we could offer proposed text
22:18:40 <JF> Silvia: I would go through the draft, find mentions of WebSRT, and see if it can be reformulated/rewritten with more neutral language
22:19:35 <JF> submit those proposals to the mailing list, and then submit as proposed changes
22:19:58 <JF> Issue with no existing W3c Editor's Draft
22:20:23 <JF> Sean: I can work on this perhaps next Monday
22:20:56 <JF> Judy looking to see if we can access a W3C Editor Draft
22:21:09 <JF> Janina: agree that we should work this via the list
22:21:33 <JF> mindful that some will be at TPAC, but likely most will not.
22:21:45 <JF> Judy: won't be available next week
22:22:14 <judy_> (...at least at the regular time)
22:22:15 <JF> Janina: there might be some 'unconference' meeting @ TPAC
22:22:42 <JF> Janina: probably will be able to avail teleconference connectivity
22:22:53 <JF> watch IRC and lists Thrusday and Friday
22:23:31 <JF> Silvia: if the times can be posted, we could join in then
22:24:09 <JF> Janina: so we won't have a call next week, but rather try and work around TPAC scheduling
22:24:30 <janina> zakim, next item
22:24:30 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Technical Requirements Prioritizations and Dependencies" taken up [from janina]
22:24:31 <JF> meanwhile Sean can start on proposed edits and we can discuss via email list
22:24:37 <silvia> zakim, mute me
22:24:37 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
22:24:49 <janina> zakim, close item 4
22:24:49 <Zakim> agendum 4, Technical Requirements Prioritizations and Dependencies, closed
22:24:50 <JF> Janina: this is kind of a meta-topic
22:24:51 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:24:53 <janina> zakim, next item
22:24:53 <Zakim> 5. WCAG Mapping [from janina]
22:24:54 <Zakim> agendum 5. "WCAG Mapping" taken up [from janina]
22:25:36 <JF> Janina: have the mappings against WCAG complete?
22:26:02 <janina> zakim, next item
22:26:02 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Must/Should/May Categorizations" taken up [from janina]
22:26:04 <JF> JF - believes both WCAG and UAAG mappings are complete
22:26:35 <JF> Janina: finished with her pass - essentially comfortable that we have it right
22:27:11 <JF> JF: did janina make any changes? 
22:27:18 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
22:27:18 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
22:27:23 <JF> Janina: silvia made them for Janina
22:27:33 <JF> Silvia: most of them, but not everything
22:27:58 <JF> there is a bit of issue on a few points, and we can keep the list fairly dynamic and flexible
22:28:08 <JF> however generally quite happy with the technical mappings
22:28:38 <Zakim> -Judy
22:28:49 <JF> only technologies that have cue format need to be checked when evaluating time-text formats
22:30:02 <janina> q?
22:30:03 <JF> Silvia now considering whether to make a separate document for WebSRT or adding a new column on the existing TTML evaluation page
22:30:05 <Zakim> -Sean_Hayes
22:30:50 <Zakim> +Sean_Hayes
22:31:36 <silvia> zakim, mute me
22:31:36 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
22:32:12 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
22:32:12 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
22:33:43 <silvia> zakim, mute me
22:33:43 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
22:35:28 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
22:35:28 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
22:36:13 <JF> Silvia: if WG decides that this is an "official" W3C requirements what happens to it after that
22:36:31 <frankolivier> q+
22:37:31 <JF> Frank: do we have a plan for prioritization of requirements?
22:37:39 <silvia> zakim, mute me
22:37:39 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
22:37:49 <JF> Janina: this matrix was supposed to be able to help us get towards this type of clarrity
22:39:00 <Zakim> +Judy
22:40:43 <JF> Frank: concerned that some of these things will take a longer time to figure out
22:43:45 <JF> Frank: one of MS goals is to allow 3rd parties to extend the browser by installing additions
22:47:19 <JF> Frank: would love to see a list of core rquirements
22:51:08 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
22:51:08 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
22:55:10 <JF> Silvia: 2 things that need to be done (for multi-track issue)
22:55:29 <JF> how do we associate secondary files to the main file's timeline
22:55:45 <JF> (needs HTML markup)
22:56:01 <JF> we also need to define a JavaScript API to handle this scenario as well
22:56:29 <JF> however it should be fairly simple, as it will be based on the existing JS API we have
22:56:57 <JF> it just needs to define what type of language formats, and how to turn on and off
22:58:53 <silvia> zakim, mute me
22:58:53 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
23:00:06 <janina> q?
23:00:26 <JF> Judy: concerned about assuming that some things can't get into HTML5
23:00:38 <JF> this becomes a tricky discussion.
23:01:27 <janina> q?
23:01:33 <janina> ack f
23:03:11 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
23:03:11 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
23:07:41 <JF> Silvia: once multi-track sync is figured out, the next big challenge will likely be navigation by hierarchy 
23:07:54 <janina> q?
23:07:59 <JF> suspect that this will take a number of years to achieve
23:08:34 <JF> Judy: there is a commitment from the W3c to ensure that accessibility is included in the HTML5 and done right
23:09:36 <JF> Silvia: just want to be realistic that between 0% and 100% there is multiple points
23:11:17 <JF> Janina: wants to point out that the hierarchical navigation is critical, and will need to be addressed
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23:14:37 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Oct/0520.html
23:14:41 <JF> Silvia: would like to see us start engaging on the multi-track piece that she started the discussion on last week.
23:19:06 <silvia> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Sub-Group#Bugs
23:21:43 <silvia> zakim, mute me
23:21:43 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
23:22:10 <JF> JF to also go through bugzilla and ensure that all bugs are bing watch by us that affect us
23:22:22 <JF> s/bing/being
23:23:16 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
23:23:16 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
23:23:18 <JF> Janina: recap - Sean and Silvia (and perhaps Eric) to file bugs to tweak language in Editors draft
23:23:50 <JF> Action: Sean and Silvia (and perhaps Eric) to file bugs to tweak language in Editors draft
23:23:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - And Silvia (and perhaps Eric) to file bugs to tweak language in Editors draft [on Sean Hayes - due 2010-11-03].
23:24:30 <JF> Action: John to ensure all relevant bugs are added to the wiki
23:24:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - Ensure all relevant bugs are added to the wiki [on John Foliot - due 2010-11-03].
23:24:50 <JF> Action: Silvia to work up checklist table for WebSRT
23:24:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Work up checklist table for WebSRT [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2010-11-03].
23:25:54 <JF> Janina: thanks everyone. we are making very good progress
23:26:01 <Zakim> -silvia
23:26:04 <Zakim> -Judy
23:26:09 <Zakim> -Sean_Hayes
23:26:28 <JF> zakim,  bye
23:26:28 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Janina, Sean_Hayes, silvia, Judy, John_Foliot, Frank_Olivier
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23:26:49 <JF> rrsagent, make minutes
23:26:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/27-html-a11y-minutes.html JF
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