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20:00:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
20:00:01 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()4:00PM scheduled to start now
20:00:02 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
20:00:02 <trackbot> Date: 26 October 2010
20:00:19 <Zakim> GA_SVGWG()4:00PM has now started
20:00:26 <Zakim> +??P0
20:00:31 <ed> Zakim, ?? is me
20:00:31 <Zakim> +ed; got it
20:00:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:00:54 <heycam> Zakim, [ is me
20:00:54 <Zakim> +heycam; got it
20:01:39 <Zakim> +??P2
20:01:46 <anthony> Zakim, ??P2 is me
20:01:46 <Zakim> +anthony; got it
20:03:26 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/full_implementation_query.xml
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20:07:15 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/full_implementation_query.xml
20:07:19 <adrianba> zakim, what's the code?
20:07:19 <Zakim> the conference code is 7841 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), adrianba
20:07:35 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/full_implementation_query.xml
20:07:54 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:08:03 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
20:08:03 <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
20:08:50 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/full_implementation_query.xml.diff?r1=1.3&r2=1.4&f=h
20:10:04 <Zakim> +Shepazu
20:17:20 <ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Tpac2010_Agenda
20:22:20 <heycam> Scribe: Cameron
20:22:22 <heycam> ScribeNick: heycam
20:22:26 <heycam> Topic: Telcons
20:22:34 <heycam> CM: should we go back to one telcon per week?
20:22:44 <heycam> Others: sounds like a good idea to try [paraphrasing]
20:24:23 <heycam> So Erik and I will resume alternating chairing.
20:24:31 <heycam> Topic: Implementation query
20:24:45 <heycam> ED: it was out of date until a moment ago
20:24:46 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/full_implementation_query.xml
20:25:00 <heycam> AG: it obviously didn't get the right file
20:25:09 <heycam> ED: and it still lists some of the revision numbers as unknown and that needs to be fixed
20:25:20 <heycam> ACTION: Anthony to fix the revision numbers in the implementation query file
20:25:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2886 - Fix the revision numbers in the implementation query file [on Anthony Grasso - due 2010-11-02].
20:25:39 <heycam> ED: one of the problems might be the svgz file
20:26:36 <heycam> ED: the other thing with the test suite was that i also committed a new harness that only lists the accepted tests
20:26:41 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/harness/htmlObjectMiniApproved/
20:26:52 <heycam> AG: we can start using the harness for the implementation report
20:27:01 <heycam> ED: right, make it easier to go through them and fill out the xml file
20:27:17 <heycam> CM: when should we start filling out the implementation report?
20:27:25 <heycam> ED: we can do it for all of the entries in that file at the moment
20:27:36 <heycam> ED: the unknown revisions be fixed easily
20:27:45 <heycam> ... it'd be nice if those were up to date fairly quickly
20:28:11 <heycam> CM: adrian do you know what patrick wanted to talk about wrt the test suite?
20:28:13 <heycam> AB: no
20:29:04 <heycam> ... it might be to do with whether the categorisation of the tests are sensible, given that some of the tests include a bunch of different aspects of svg
20:29:24 <heycam> ... and maybe failing one of the tests because of one of those things, that might not be one of the primary things the test is testing for, going by the name
20:30:05 <heycam> DS: it comes back down to the idea of having more modular tests, so that when it looks like -- when you do implementation reports, having it clear that implementations are more or less mature based on the modules, rather than on the number of tests passed
20:30:16 <heycam> AB: i think so, i don't want to speak too much for patrick, i think that was the gist of it
20:30:36 <heycam> ... it might not necessarily be modularising the tests more, just the way that they're organised, so taht when you have the implementation report it's clear wheteher you have good interop
20:30:42 <heycam> ... that might be masked 
20:30:57 <heycam> ... customers want to be able to look at the implementation report, figure out the level of matury of the things they can rely on
20:31:05 <heycam> s/matury/maturity/
20:31:49 <heycam> CM: we haven't had guidelines for testing strategies
20:31:53 <heycam> ED: sounds like a good tpac topic
20:32:12 <heycam> s/strategies/strategies, so we can discuss whether we want tests to really focus on single features/
20:33:33 <heycam> AB: not asking for a load of new work, possibly more as we start to think about the future, so having this as a tpac topic sounds like a good idea
20:34:07 <heycam> DS: the test suite is testing the spec, not the implementations, it's a subtle point. that's the original purpose.
20:34:23 <heycam> ... that's something we can reexamine w3c wide, to see if that's the best for the community
20:35:34 <Zakim> -adrianba
20:35:36 <Zakim> -heycam
20:35:36 <Zakim> -ed
20:35:37 <Zakim> -anthony
20:35:47 <Zakim> -Shepazu
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20:35:50 <heycam> RRSAgent, make minutes
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20:35:50 <Zakim> Attendees were ed, [IPcaller], heycam, anthony, adrianba, Shepazu
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