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13:56:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3668
13:56:50 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:56:51 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
13:56:51 <trackbot> Date: 20 October 2010
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13:59:47 <ChrisL> zakim, code?
13:59:47 <Zakim> the conference code is 3668 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), ChrisL
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14:00:07 <jfkthame> Zakim: +44.845.397.aacc is jfkthame
14:00:20 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
14:00:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.206.324.aaaa, +1.443.895.aabb, +44.845.397.aacc, ChrisL
14:00:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see jdaggett, jfkthame, tal, sylvaing, Vlad, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, John, trackbot
14:01:00 <ChrisL> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2010Oct/0025.html
14:01:18 <sylvaing> zakim, aaaa is sylvaing
14:01:21 <Zakim> + +1.425.882.aadd
14:01:23 <Zakim> +sylvaing; got it
14:01:33 <Zakim> + +1.250.668.aaee
14:01:38 <sylvaing> zakim, aadd is sergeym
14:01:47 <Zakim> + +1.510.816.aaff
14:01:49 <Zakim> +sergeym; got it
14:01:58 <sylvaing> trackbot-ng, start telcon
14:02:03 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:02:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3668
14:02:06 <jfkthame> zakim, aacc is jfkthame
14:02:06 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
14:02:06 <trackbot> Date: 20 October 2010
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14:02:11 <ChrisL> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2010Oct/0025.html
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14:02:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()10:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
14:02:26 <Zakim> sorry, jfkthame, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
14:02:43 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
14:02:43 <Zakim> I notice IA_Fonts()10:00AM has restarted
14:02:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see sylvaing, +1.443.895.aabb, +44.845.397.aacc, ChrisL, sergeym, +1.250.668.aaee, +1.510.816.aaff, +1.978.790.aagg
14:02:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vlad, cslye, jdaggett, jfkthame, tal, sylvaing, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, John, trackbot
14:03:28 <John> zakim, aaee is John
14:03:28 <Zakim> +John; got it
14:03:53 <cslye> Zakim, aaff is cslye
14:03:53 <Zakim> +cslye; got it
14:04:00 <tal> zakim, aabb is tal
14:04:00 <Zakim> +tal; got it
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14:04:55 <sylvaing> zakim, who's on the phone
14:04:55 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the phone', sylvaing
14:05:13 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
14:05:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see sylvaing, tal, +44.845.397.aacc, ChrisL, sergeym, John, cslye, +1.978.790.aagg
14:05:14 <sylvaing> zakim, who's here
14:05:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see sergeym, Vlad, cslye, jdaggett, jfkthame, tal, sylvaing, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, John, trackbot
14:05:19 <Zakim> sylvaing, you need to end that query with '?'
14:06:07 <ChrisL> Scribe: Chris
14:06:15 <ChrisL> ScribeNick: ChrisL
14:06:21 <Zakim> + +1.415.738.aahh
14:06:24 <ChrisL> topic: lightning talk at tpac
14:06:37 <ChrisL> Vlad: chris please explain what this is
14:06:47 <jdaggett> zakim, aahh is jdaggett
14:06:47 <Zakim> +jdaggett; got it
14:07:00 <jdaggett> zakim, mute jdaggett
14:07:00 <Zakim> jdaggett should now be muted
14:08:05 <ChrisL> ChrisL (explains lightning talks)
14:08:35 <ChrisL> ... it would be on the wednesday
14:08:44 <ChrisL> Vlad: how many there on weds?
14:08:50 <jdaggett> jdaggett, i will be
14:09:07 <ChrisL> i will be
14:09:25 <ChrisL> (discussion on whether weds is free or paying)
14:10:13 <ChrisL> Vlad: cost goes up soon
14:10:28 <ChrisL> ChrisL: its structured inter-group discussions
14:10:39 <ChrisL> Vlad: was good last year, enlightening
14:11:23 <ChrisL> cslye will be there mon-sun
14:11:38 <ChrisL> jfkthame: will arrive weds afternoon or evening
14:11:50 <ChrisL> Vlad: erik and tal will not be there
14:12:22 <ChrisL> Vlad: had hoped jfkthame would be able to give the talk
14:12:35 <ChrisL> ChrisL: happy to do it
14:12:40 <jdaggett> i second nominating chrisl
14:12:43 <ChrisL> John: nominate chris
14:13:01 <ChrisL> resolved: chris to do woff lightning talk at tpac
14:13:28 <ChrisL> topic: action items and spec state
14:14:08 <ChrisL> Vlad: want to get to Last Call right after TPAC
14:14:35 <ChrisL> ... tends to get more comments once it goes to last call
14:15:08 <ChrisL> ChrisL: yes
14:15:39 <ChrisL> Vlad: final review at f2f and then publish right after
14:16:29 <ChrisL> ChrisL: tpac a good time to discuss review time with other wgs
14:16:57 <ChrisL> Vlad: ok so lets get loose ends tidied up before f2f
14:16:58 <ChrisL> actions at http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/open
14:17:37 <ChrisL> John: were does the test suite fit in?
14:18:05 <ChrisL> Vlad: after last call, next step is candidate rec and we need to have a test suite to get out of CR (but not to enter it)
14:20:11 <ChrisL> ChrisL: tests and last cal lcan proceed in parallel
14:20:29 <ChrisL> action-15?
14:20:29 <trackbot> ACTION-15 -- Jonathan Kew to split intro to remove these requirements and insert them into a new section, "normative references" -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
14:20:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/15
14:21:24 <ChrisL> jfkthame: not done yet, ties to action-24
14:21:31 <ChrisL> action-24?
14:21:31 <trackbot> ACTION-24 -- Jonathan Kew to work with Chris L on reformatting footnotes section into normative and non normative references -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
14:21:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/24
14:21:57 <ChrisL> ChrisL: jfkthame and i wil discuss this tomorrow
14:22:14 <ChrisL> action-19?
14:22:14 <trackbot> ACTION-19 -- John Daggett to specify exact algorithm for verifying a valid offset for metadata and private data of S3P5 -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
14:22:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/19
14:22:27 <ChrisL> ack  jdaggett
14:23:01 <ChrisL> jdaggett: mentioned onlast call that edited note sent out covers it, so action can be closed.
14:23:07 <ChrisL> close action-19
14:23:07 <trackbot> ACTION-19 Specify exact algorithm for verifying a valid offset for metadata and private data of S3P5 closed
14:23:36 <ChrisL> jfkthame: tightening up other points covered this as well
14:23:41 <ChrisL> action-21?
14:23:41 <trackbot> ACTION-21 -- Chris Lilley to check that everything in section 8 correctly references a conformance requirement earlier in the spec. -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
14:23:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/21
14:23:43 <jdaggett> zakim, mute me
14:23:43 <Zakim> jdaggett should now be muted
14:23:59 <ChrisL> ChrisL: done that
14:24:05 <ChrisL> close action-21
14:24:05 <trackbot> ACTION-21 Check that everything in section 8 correctly references a conformance requirement earlier in the spec. closed
14:24:16 <ChrisL> action-23?
14:24:16 <trackbot> ACTION-23 -- Jonathan Kew to verify whether, with zlib, it's possible to have a stream that allows an EOF midstream, so extra data can be padded on mid-stream. -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
14:24:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/23
14:24:44 <ChrisL> Vlad: we discussed possible EOF in mdstream, concluded there is no such problem
14:25:06 <ChrisL> jfkthame: not looked into this one, planned to do some zlib testing with appended data
14:25:37 <ChrisL> Vlad: ok keep this one open, no effect unless we find there is an error case there
14:25:46 <ChrisL> action-24?
14:25:46 <trackbot> ACTION-24 -- Jonathan Kew to work with Chris L on reformatting footnotes section into normative and non normative references -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
14:25:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/24
14:25:56 <ChrisL> Vlad: editorial
14:25:59 <ChrisL> action-26?
14:25:59 <trackbot> ACTION-26 -- Jonathan Kew to section 6, license block: change "The license for the font." to "The licensing information for the font." -- due 2010-08-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:25:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/26
14:26:25 <ChrisL> its done, i see it in the new text
14:26:36 <ChrisL> close action-26
14:26:36 <trackbot> ACTION-26 Section 6, license block: change "The license for the font." to "The licensing information for the font." closed
14:27:10 <ChrisL> action-27?
14:27:10 <trackbot> ACTION-27 -- Chris Lilley to write up a test suite plan -- due 2010-08-25 -- OPEN
14:27:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/27
14:27:24 <ChrisL> Vlad: keep open
14:27:49 <ChrisL> ChrisL: would like some more discussion
14:27:55 <ChrisL> action-29?
14:27:55 <trackbot> ACTION-29 -- John Hudson to review woff faq with chris and vlad -- due 2010-10-06 -- OPEN
14:27:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/29
14:28:05 <ChrisL> Vlad: progress, keep open
14:28:14 <ChrisL> action-32?
14:28:14 <trackbot> ACTION-32 -- Chris Lilley to create a page for possible agenda topics -- due 2010-10-06 -- OPEN
14:28:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/32
14:28:24 <ChrisL> ChrisL: oops
14:28:46 <ChrisL> pending review http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/pendingreview
14:29:49 <ChrisL> close action-28
14:29:49 <trackbot> ACTION-28 Add to section 8:"UA must reject the WOFF file if the decompressed length of a table does not match that specified in the table directory" closed
14:29:53 <ChrisL> close action-30
14:29:53 <trackbot> ACTION-30 incorporate new propsed change proposed by jdaggett closed
14:29:58 <ChrisL> close action-31
14:29:58 <trackbot> ACTION-31 Add a link to the schema proposed by ChrisL closed
14:30:32 <ChrisL> topic: test suite plan
14:31:00 <Vlad> ChrisL: test suite plan review
14:31:45 <Vlad> normative words are capitalized, should reflect that in the reference to RFC
14:32:58 <Vlad> ChrisL email suggesting adding ids to the spec to mark up the testable assertions in the spec
14:33:32 <Vlad> ChrisL: conflicting statements about table order and UA handling
14:36:15 <Vlad> ChrisL: firm up the description of the procesing model to make it more formal and strictly define the conformance criteria for bit-to-bit compatible input and output SFNT files
14:37:25 <Vlad> This includes requirements for checksum correctness.
14:37:52 <Vlad> ACTION to ChirsL to write up the proposed text for WOFF processing model
14:37:52 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
14:38:17 <Vlad> ACTION ChirsL to write up the proposed text for WOFF processing model
14:38:17 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ChirsL
14:38:46 <Vlad> ACTION ChrisL to write up the proposed text for WOFF processing model
14:38:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-33 - Write up the proposed text for WOFF processing model [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-10-27].
14:41:28 <Vlad> discussion about whether SHOULD or MUST be used in the spec wrt lang attribute for an element
14:43:15 <Vlad> Discussion about changing the 'id' attribute of uniqueID element to avoid conflict with XML rules
14:48:22 <Vlad> The goal is for 'id' attributes not to be treated as an element id.
14:48:30 <jfkthame> note that <license> element and subelements of <extension> also have optional 'id' attributes
14:49:22 <ChrisL> action: chris to add id and class to testable assertions
14:49:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-34 - Add id and class to testable assertions [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-10-27].
14:49:29 <Vlad> ACTION Jonathan to add the language expalining that attributes with 'id' as a name should not be treated as element ids.
14:49:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-35 - Add the language expalining that attributes with 'id' as a name should not be treated as element ids. [on Jonathan Kew - due 2010-10-27].
14:50:12 <ChrisL> topic: agenda for f2f
14:51:06 <Vlad> discuss test suite plans
14:51:37 <jdaggett> i think we should also separate tests for tools from tests for user agents
14:52:11 <ChrisL> Vlad: quick spec review and decide to go to last call
14:53:03 <ChrisL> Vlad: discussion on ac list, web page for people with spouses or other significant others
14:55:17 <ChrisL> Vlad: joint meetings?
14:55:24 <ChrisL> ... css clearly
14:55:45 <ChrisL> ... ensure test suites are complementary
14:55:57 <jdaggett> svg
14:56:41 <Vlad> Information about Lyon: http://esw.w3.org/Discover_Lyon
14:57:02 <ChrisL> ... i18n clearly
14:57:24 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
14:57:24 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.206.324.aaaa, +1.443.895.aabb, +44.845.397.aacc, ChrisL, +1.425.882.aadd, sylvaing, +1.250.668.aaee, +1.510.816.aaff, sergeym,
14:57:28 <Zakim> ... +1.978.790.aagg, John, cslye, tal, +1.415.738.aahh, jdaggett
14:57:40 <John> http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2010/10/web_fonts_will_flourish
14:57:52 <ChrisL> John: economist blog had a nice writeup
14:58:16 <ChrisL> John: primarily about woff
14:58:59 <Vlad> http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2010/10/web_fonts_will_flourish
14:59:45 <ChrisL> Vlad: brief meeting and action item review next week
15:00:22 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
15:00:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
15:00:45 <Zakim> -sylvaing
15:00:46 <Zakim> -jdaggett
15:00:51 <Zakim> -ChrisL
15:00:53 <Zakim> -John
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15:01:02 <Zakim> -sergeym
15:01:03 <John> exit
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15:01:30 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.206.324.aaaa, +1.443.895.aabb, +44.845.397.aacc, ChrisL, +1.425.882.aadd, sylvaing, +1.250.668.aaee, +1.510.816.aaff, sergeym, +1.978.790.aagg, John, cslye, tal,
15:01:33 <Zakim> ... +1.415.738.aahh, jdaggett
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15:05:26 <ChrisL> Chair: Vlad
15:05:28 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
15:05:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
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