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19:51:26 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, this will be inc_ssn 
19:51:26 <Zakim> ok, laurent_lefort_cs; I see INC_SSN()4:00PM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
19:51:38 <laurent_lefort_cs> Meeting:  SSN XG
19:52:02 <laurent_lefort_cs> Chair: Laurent
19:52:57 <laurent_lefort_cs> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-ssn/2010Oct/0005.html
19:53:26 <laurent_lefort_cs> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-ssn-minutes.html
19:54:15 <laurent_lefort_cs> Regrets: Myriam, Kevin, Oscar
19:55:12 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please make record public
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19:56:47 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, ??P0 is me
19:56:47 <Zakim> +laurent_lefort_cs; got it
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19:59:26 <Payam> Hi Laurent!
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20:02:19 <Payam>  I was mute; what about now
20:02:56 <Payam> ?
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20:05:29 <Zakim> +krzysztof_j; got it
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20:07:52 <krzysztof_j> is this still the enty point to all the report material: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Incubator_Report ?
20:08:16 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aaaa
20:09:03 <laurent_lefort_cs> ScribeNick: Andriy
20:09:37 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic: Report completion
20:10:03 <krzysztof_j> ok thanks
20:10:33 <Payam> +q
20:10:56 <krzysztof_j> ok, just let me know if you need anything more from me for section 4.
20:11:08 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack Payam
20:11:19 <Andriy> Payam: any section with no content?
20:11:40 <laurent_lefort_cs> Look at the questionnaire annotations: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43337/SSN-XGR-Review2/
20:12:02 <Payam> +q
20:12:37 <Andriy> +q
20:14:10 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack Payam
20:18:53 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack Andriy
20:20:03 <laurent_lefort_cs> This page to be renamed: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Upper to SSN Skeleton
20:20:21 <krzysztof_j> ok
20:21:31 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN#Alignment_to_DOLCE
20:21:59 <krzysztof_j> I an review these sections again and make sure it is right and up to date
20:22:03 <krzysztof_j> c
20:23:25 <Andriy> Laurent: other relevant part: section 4.2.2...
20:23:34 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Foundational_Layer
20:24:16 <krzysztof_j> I can also review and check 4.2.2 Structure and add more to the motivation part to the Foundational_Layer.
20:26:06 <Andriy> Jano: The "upper" is an initial skeleton with motivation, the foundational part concerns DOLCE in more detail
20:26:06 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/images/2/29/SSSN-Observation.jpg
20:27:30 <Andriy> Laurent: Maybe for the "Skeleton" part an example is needed?
20:27:48 <Payam> +q
20:28:41 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Sensor
20:28:55 <Andriy> Laurent: it would be nice to have a link to the documentation (pink box) and to the example (blue box)
20:29:16 <krzysztof_j> +q
20:29:34 <Andriy> Payam: perhaps the skeleton picture is too complicated
20:29:46 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack krzysztof 
20:30:53 <Andriy> Jano: step 1: skeleton without ontological commitments, step 2: explanation for DOLCE additions
20:31:17 <Payam> this is very good- a layered description will be easy to follow
20:31:27 <laurent_lefort_cs> I agree with Jano: the Skeleton Module doc should not talk about the alignment 
20:31:27 <krzysztof_j> let me copy that into the chat
20:32:46 <Payam> back to Jano's question, what each of us need to do to complete the report?
20:32:57 <laurent_lefort_cs> ack Payam
20:32:57 <Payam> no
20:32:59 <krzysztof_j> the text "The relation between these ontologies is best thought of as layers or modules. The first pattern represents the initial conceptualization as a lightweight, minimalistic, and flexible ontology with a minimum of ontological commitments. While this pattern can already be used as vocabulary for some use cases, other application areas require a more rigid conceptualization to support semantic interoperability. Therefore, we introduce a realization of 
20:33:01 <krzysztof_j> the pattern based on the classes and relations provided by DOLCE Ultra Light. This ontology can be either directly used, e.g., for Linked Sensor Data, or integrated into more complex ontologies as a common ground for alignment, matching, translation, or interoperability in general. For this purpose, we demonstrate how the pattern was integrated as top-level of the SSN ontology. Note that for this reason, new classes and relations are introduced based on 
20:33:02 <krzysztof_j> subsumption and equivalence. For instance, the first pattern uses the generic \textit{involves} relation, while the DOLCE-aligned version distinguishes between events and objects and, hence, uses \textit{DUL:includesEvent} and \textit{DUL:includesObject}, respectively. "
20:33:27 <krzysztof_j> :)
20:35:26 <Andriy> Laurent: 1st priority for completion is section 7
20:36:29 <cory> +q
20:37:00 <laurent_lefort_cs> Priority to complete is section 7 (with better evaluation of level of commitment to future tasks requiring significant resources)
20:37:18 <laurent_lefort_cs> Ack cory 
20:39:18 <laurent_lefort_cs> Example of other XG report final sections at the bottom of http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Report_Conclusion_and_Recommendations
20:42:09 <Andriy> Laurent: unchartered objectives point to possible follow-up activities which were not in the original charter
20:48:44 <laurent_lefort_cs> 7 Conclusion and Recommendations (this page)
20:48:44 <laurent_lefort_cs> 7.1 continuation of the work definition
20:48:44 <laurent_lefort_cs> What we've done Maintenance Plans for continuing the ontology
20:48:44 <laurent_lefort_cs> 7.2 Follow-up activities which were not in the original charter
20:48:44 <laurent_lefort_cs> List of separate topics
20:48:45 <laurent_lefort_cs> Provenance SensorSPARQL - OGC-connected work Internet of things (OMM XG) Mashups POI wg
20:48:47 <laurent_lefort_cs> 7.3 Recommendations
20:48:49 <laurent_lefort_cs> Structure to put in place to maintain the ontology
20:48:51 <laurent_lefort_cs> Where to put future work in W3C
20:50:48 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent proposes to revise the plan of section 7 with 3 parts 
20:51:02 <laurent_lefort_cs> See the proposed plan above
20:52:49 <laurent_lefort_cs> OMM a bit of background http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/omm/
20:55:50 <laurent_lefort_cs> W3C Points of interest wg http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/wiki/ 
20:57:34 <laurent_lefort_cs> Action: Laurent to modify the plan of Section 7 Conclusion and Recommendations
20:57:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-63 - Modify the plan of Section 7 Conclusion and Recommendations [on Laurent Lefort - due 2010-10-27].
20:58:13 <laurent_lefort_cs> Topic 2: Review organisation
20:58:14 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43337/SSN-XGR-Review2/
21:00:32 <laurent_lefort_cs> The changes in the structure of the questionnaire are motivated by 
21:00:45 <laurent_lefort_cs> ... the need to have all the result from one person at the same place
21:01:05 <laurent_lefort_cs> ... the alignment with the updated report structure
21:03:13 <Andriy> Laurent: there are some parts where less people were involved, reviewers are welcome even if not very confident...
21:03:35 <Andriy> Laurent: In particular, the semantic markup section
21:04:52 <laurent_lefort_cs> Laurent: please add a "confidence level" in the comment box if you fell like it
21:04:59 <krzysztof_j> how do we determine who are editors and contributors of the report , so far it just says "(to come)"?
21:07:04 <krzysztof_j> imo we should have a clear cut between editors and authors
21:07:26 <Andriy> Laurent: usually there are a couple of main editors and all contributors listed at the end of the report
21:10:25 <Andriy> Laurent: at this stage Laurent and Cory are editors
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21:11:06 <krzysztof_j> I am
21:11:07 <Andriy> Laurent: contributors are all those who edited a part of the report
21:11:27 <cory> +1
21:11:32 <Arthur> +1
21:11:49 <laurent_lefort_cs> Editors are Cory and Laurent
21:11:52 <krzysztof_j> +1
21:11:56 <Payam> sorry the connection is bad here
21:12:06 <Andriy> +1
21:12:08 <Payam> I can't hear it clearly
21:12:33 <Arthur> Laurent, cant hear you any more 
21:12:47 <laurent_lefort_cs> Let's close the conference 
21:12:50 <Arthur> you disapear from time to time
21:12:50 <krzysztof_j> bye bye
21:12:55 <cory> bye
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21:13:13 <Arthur> bye
21:13:13 <laurent_lefort_cs> Thanks everyone and Andriy for scribing
21:13:15 <Andriy> bye
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21:14:42 <Payam> sorry I git disconnected
21:14:49 <Payam> s/ git /got
21:14:56 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, list attendees
21:14:56 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been laurent_lefort_cs, Payam, Andriy, Arthur, krzysztof_j, +1.937.775.aaaa
21:15:16 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, 1.937.775.aaaa is cory
21:15:16 <Zakim> sorry, laurent_lefort_cs, I do not recognize a party named '1.937.775.aaaa'
21:15:29 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, +1.937.775.aaaa is cory
21:15:29 <Zakim> sorry, laurent_lefort_cs, I do not recognize a party named '+1.937.775.aaaa'
21:15:48 <laurent_lefort_cs> Attendees+: Cory
21:15:54 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, list attendees
21:15:54 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been laurent_lefort_cs, Payam, Andriy, Arthur, krzysztof_j, +1.937.775.aaaa
21:16:11 <Payam> can't join the voice anymore
21:16:32 <Payam> :)
21:16:36 <Payam> ok; thanks
21:16:45 <Payam> bye
21:18:13 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, make log public
21:18:21 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
21:18:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
21:19:14 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/sorry Igotdisconnected//
21:19:25 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/can't join the voice anymore//
21:19:25 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, laurent_lefort_cs, in INC_SSN()4:00PM
21:19:29 <Zakim> INC_SSN()4:00PM has ended
21:19:31 <Zakim> Attendees were laurent_lefort_cs, Payam, Andriy, Arthur, krzysztof_j, +1.937.775.aaaa
21:20:06 <laurent_lefort_cs> s/disapear/disappear/ 
21:21:14 <laurent_lefort_cs> Action: Laurent to update the authors and editors of the report
21:21:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Update the authors and editors of the report [on Laurent Lefort - due 2010-10-27].
21:26:44 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
21:26:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
21:27:44 <laurent_lefort_cs> (Post-meeting) Action completed: Moved the content of http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Upper to 
21:27:47 <laurent_lefort_cs> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/SSN_Skeleton
21:28:03 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
21:28:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
21:30:03 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, make log public
21:30:12 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please draft minutes
21:30:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
21:30:24 <laurent_lefort_cs> rrsagent, please generate minutes
21:30:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-ssn-minutes.html laurent_lefort_cs
23:09:04 <laurent_lefort_cs> zakim, bye
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23:09:11 <laurent_lefort_cs>  rrsagent, bye
23:09:11 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-ssn-actions.rdf :
23:09:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Laurent to modify the plan of Section 7 Conclusion and Recommendations [1]
23:09:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-ssn-irc#T20-57-34
23:09:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Laurent to update the authors and editors of the report [2]
23:09:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-ssn-irc#T21-21-14