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13:43:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:43:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
13:43:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
13:43:07 <trackbot> Date: 20 October 2010
13:43:40 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/0043.html
13:44:25 <fjh> Regrets+ Suresh_Chitturi
13:44:39 <fjh> Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:44:42 <cmarc> Present Cecile_Marc
13:44:55 <fjh> Present+  Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:45:32 <cmarc> Present+ Cecile_Marc
13:45:49 <fjh> Regrets+ Marco _Marengo 
13:45:57 <fjh> s/Present Cecile_Marc//
13:49:21 <fjh> Regrets+ Wonsuk_Lee
13:49:27 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
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13:50:14 <cmarc> Regrets+ Mohammed_Dadas
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13:54:44 <Zakim> Attendees were +33.2.99.12.aaaa
13:55:12 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:55:12 <Zakim> apparently UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended, fjh
13:55:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Marcos, cmarc, richt, tlr, fjh, arve, wmaslowski, shepazu, ilkka, ingmar, trackbot, dom
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13:55:28 <fjh> this is a test
13:55:35 <tlr> fjh, we all didn't see it
13:55:43 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
13:55:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-dap-minutes.html fjh
13:56:31 <fjh> s/this is a test//
13:56:50 <fjh> s/fjh, we all didn't see it//
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13:57:35 <Zakim> +??P8
13:57:39 <fjh> zakim, ??P8 is me
13:57:39 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
13:57:44 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
13:57:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-dap-minutes.html fjh
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14:00:26 <Zakim> +??P15
14:00:26 <fjh> zakim, aaaa is cmarc
14:00:27 <Zakim> +cmarc; got it
14:00:35 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:00:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, cmarc, ??P15
14:00:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see jmorris, darobin, richt, Zakim, RRSAgent, Marcos, cmarc, tlr, fjh, wmaslowski, shepazu, ilkka, ingmar, trackbot, dom
14:00:56 <darobin> zakim, ??P15 is me
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14:01:01 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
14:01:15 <Zakim> +Dom
14:01:23 <dom> Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
14:01:34 <nwidell> nwidell has joined #dap
14:01:39 <Zakim> +jmorris
14:01:41 <dom> Zakim, who's noisy?
14:01:43 <LauraA> LauraA has joined #dap
14:01:58 <LauraA> Present+ LauraA
14:02:14 <Zakim> dom, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: darobin (33%), jmorris (34%)
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14:02:21 <Dzung_Tran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
14:02:22 <Zakim> +Claes
14:02:30 <jmorris> Present+ John_Morris
14:02:35 <Zakim> +nwidell
14:02:43 <nwidell> Present+ Niklas_Widell
14:02:46 <Zakim> +ilkka
14:02:57 <ilkka> Present+ Ilkka_oksanen
14:03:01 <Claes> Present+ Claes_Nilsson
14:04:14 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-781
14:04:14 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
14:04:16 <Zakim> +Thomas
14:04:20 <tlr> zakim, I am thomas
14:04:20 <Zakim> ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas
14:04:22 <tlr> zakim, mute me
14:04:22 <Zakim> Thomas should now be muted
14:04:29 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:04:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, cmarc, darobin, Dom, jmorris, Claes, nwidell, ilkka, Thomas (muted)
14:04:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see Dzung_Tran, LauraA, nwidell, Claes, jmorris, darobin, richt, Zakim, RRSAgent, Marcos, cmarc, tlr, fjh, wmaslowski, shepazu, ilkka, ingmar, trackbot, dom
14:04:45 <Zakim> +richt
14:05:18 <fjh> ScribeNick: jmorris
14:05:27 <fjh> Topic: Administrative
14:05:33 <Zakim> +LauraA
14:05:47 <jmorris> fjh: talk about f2f
14:05:55 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:05:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, cmarc, darobin, Dom, jmorris, Claes, nwidell, ilkka, Thomas (muted), richt, LauraA
14:05:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see Dzung_Tran, LauraA, nwidell, Claes, jmorris, darobin, richt, Zakim, RRSAgent, Marcos, cmarc, tlr, fjh, wmaslowski, shepazu, ilkka, ingmar, trackbot, dom
14:06:03 <AnssiK> AnssiK has joined #dap
14:06:10 <jmorris> ... will send f2f agenda soon
14:06:16 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:06:24 <enewland> enewland has joined #dap
14:06:47 <jmorris> ...  any suggestions for agenda would be welcome
14:06:48 <Marcos_> Marcos_ has joined #dap
14:06:59 <enewland> present+ erica+newland
14:06:59 <richt> Present+ Richard_Tibbett
14:07:04 <enewland> present+ erica_newland
14:07:10 <Zakim> +AnssiK
14:07:30 <maoteo> maoteo has joined #dap
14:07:36 <jmorris> ... possibly we should talk with Web Notifications about permissions stuff
14:07:41 <dom> (it doesn't look like they will meet there)
14:07:54 <maoteo> Present+ Maria_Oteo
14:08:01 <dom> http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/#GroupSchedule
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14:08:09 <darobin> (yeah, I'd be surprised if they ever met, given the group)
14:08:20 <darobin> Zakim, jmorris holds enewland 
14:08:20 <Zakim> +enewland; got it
14:09:37 <Zakim> + +34.97.421.aabb
14:09:54 <jmorris> ... what is going on with Geolocation
14:10:00 <maoteo> Zakim, aabb is maoteo
14:10:00 <Zakim> +maoteo; got it
14:10:14 <jmorris> Claes:  I am working with Geolocation
14:10:34 <jmorris> ... they are not working specifically on security/privacy right now
14:10:54 <dom> Zakim, mute me
14:10:56 <Zakim> Dom should now be muted
14:11:18 <jmorris> ... perhaps discussion  on geoloc privacy, but not directly related to DAP
14:11:43 <jmorris> fjh: we are overlapping with HTML WG, perhaps we should talk with them
14:11:44 <dom> ack me
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14:12:05 <dom> Zakim, mute me
14:12:05 <Zakim> Dom should now be muted
14:12:26 <danielcoloma> Present+ Daniel_Coloma
14:12:30 <jmorris> darobin:  I can contact Web Notification, and we should also talk to html
14:12:45 <maoteo> Zakim, maoteo holds danielcoloma
14:12:45 <Zakim> +danielcoloma; got it
14:12:46 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to ping HTML chairs, Notifications chair to see about potential joint meetings
14:12:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-284 - Ping HTML chairs, Notifications chair to see about potential joint meetings [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-10-27].
14:12:54 <jmorris> fjh:  darobin to contact HTML, fjh to contact Web Notification
14:13:19 <jmorris> ACTION:  fjh to ping web notification group
14:13:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-285 - Ping web notification group [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-10-27].
14:14:34 <AnssiK> q+
14:14:36 <richt> q+
14:14:44 <fjh> ack anssiK
14:15:00 <jmorris> darobin:  possibly talk at f2f about test suites
14:15:09 <darobin> q?
14:15:21 <dom> +1 on reusing PhoneGap's stuff if possible
14:15:25 <darobin> +1 too
14:15:27 <jmorris> AnssiK:  can re reuse test suite phonecap 
14:15:38 <fjh> anssi: asks about reusing phone gap test suite
14:15:48 <darobin> s/phonecap/phonegap/
14:15:54 <darobin> s/phone gap/phonegap/
14:15:54 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/0031.html
14:15:58 <dom> q+ to talk on licenses
14:16:09 <dom> ack me
14:16:10 <Zakim> dom, you wanted to talk on licenses
14:16:27 <dom> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2008/04-testsuite-license.html
14:16:34 <jmorris> dom:  w3c has special license for document and PST? license
14:16:55 <jmorris> ... so we can probably reuse the PhoneGap test suite either because
14:17:05 <jmorris> ... license covers it or we can ask if needed
14:17:11 <dom> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2008/04-testsuite-copyright.html
14:17:42 <jmorris> jmorris:  should we put an action on dom to check on license
14:17:55 <darobin> ack richt 
14:17:57 <richt> Proposed test suite methodology for e.g. Contacts: http://www.w3.org/TR/test-methodology/
14:18:02 <fjh> action: dom to check licensing issues on phonegap test suite
14:18:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-286 - Check licensing issues on phonegap test suite [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2010-10-27].
14:18:21 <dom> (I wonder if Anssi would be interested in presenting/demoing the phonegap tests)
14:18:26 <jmorris> richt: discussing contacts test suite
14:18:28 <fjh> ok, it looks like we need some time at F2F to work through test suite topics
14:18:43 <darobin> +1 to AnssiK demoing the PG tests
14:19:02 <dom> (I could probably make a quick intro to testing @w3c, and the test methodology)
14:19:09 <darobin> +1 to that
14:19:16 <jmorris> fjh:  could Anssi demo PhoneGap test suite
14:19:31 <fjh> +1 to dom introducing testing at w3 and ansii sharing understanding of PhoneGap test suite
14:19:40 <jmorris> AnssiK:  I am not a PhoneGap guy, but I will look at it
14:19:40 <dom> ACTION: Anssi to introduce phonegap tests during F2F
14:19:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-287 - Introduce phonegap tests during F2F [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2010-10-27].
14:19:55 <dom> ACTION: Dom to introduce testing@w3c during F2F
14:19:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-288 - Introduce testing@w3c during F2F [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2010-10-27].
14:20:01 <richt> agree with fjh, Dom to introduce testing at W3C and demo of PG tests.
14:20:09 <richt> ...at the F2F
14:20:20 <dom> q+ on agenda
14:20:40 <jmorris> darobin:  should we do a wiki page for the agenda?
14:20:49 <darobin> ACTION: Robin to create Wiki page for f2f agenda
14:20:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-289 - Create Wiki page for f2f agenda [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-10-27].
14:21:24 <dom> q?
14:21:36 <fjh> ack dom
14:21:36 <Zakim> dom, you wanted to comment on agenda
14:21:42 <jmorris> dom: at f2f, we should spend time on roadmap
14:21:50 <fjh> dom suggests review of RoadMap
14:21:54 <jmorris> ... we should have a written roadmap by end of year
14:22:44 <fjh> TPAC registration (for in-person attendees) http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/
14:22:48 <jmorris> fjh: our home page is our roadmap, do we need another docuemnt?
14:22:52 <fjh> TPAC registration fee increases on 22 October
14:23:04 <jmorris> s/cuem/cume/
14:23:11 <fjh> DST difference to consider if dialing in to TPAC - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2010Oct/0002.html
14:23:15 <dom> (we have 32 registered participants for the F2F, not too bad)
14:23:23 <darobin> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/TPAC10Agenda TPAC 10 agenda scratchpad
14:23:26 <jmorris> fjh: registration for TPAC closes soon
14:23:36 <fjh> File API updates
14:23:45 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/0027.html 
14:23:48 <jmorris> ... if you are dialing in you must be careful about timezones, daylight savings, etc.
14:23:59 <jmorris> ... update of file permissions spec
14:24:24 <jmorris> topic: Minutes approval
14:24:35 <fjh> Approve 6 October minutes
14:24:35 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/att-0014/minutes-2010-10-06.html
14:24:38 <jmorris> 
14:24:43 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 6 October 2010 approved
14:25:00 <jmorris> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 6 October 2010 approved
14:25:08 <jmorris> topic: Permissions spec
14:25:17 <nwidell> I'm here
14:25:17 <fjh> parameterization, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/0034.html 
14:25:25 <nwidell> q+
14:25:33 <jmorris> fjh: nicholas sent a message re granuality
14:26:05 <dom> (the permissions may need to be parametrized per recipient/sender)
14:26:24 <jmorris> who?:  problem is not what you mentioned
14:26:40 <darobin> s/who?/niklas/
14:26:42 <jmorris> ... problem is that widget will be notified for every message on system
14:26:52 <darobin> ack nwidell 
14:26:57 <jmorris> s/nicholas/niklas/
14:27:16 <dom> q+
14:27:32 <jmorris> ... need to be clear on what kinds of messages the widget can see
14:27:40 <fjh> ack dom
14:28:14 <jmorris> dom:  one way would be to paramaterize the permissions, or have the API be minimized so you can only use it for a well defined set or recipients
14:28:40 <fjh> issue is limiting permission on api to only allow messages to/from given address etc. also separate different types of messaging
14:28:49 <jmorris> ... messaging API should give access only to well defined set of recipients
14:29:00 <nwidell> q+
14:29:03 <fjh> q+ to ask about use case
14:29:05 <AnssiK> q+
14:29:12 <fjh> ack nwidell
14:29:22 <dom> ACTION-132?
14:29:22 <trackbot> ACTION-132 -- Max Froumentin to look at messaging subscribe with filtering and events -- due 2010-03-25 -- OPEN
14:29:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/132
14:29:34 <dom> see also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/att-0180/minutes-2010-03-18.html#item01
14:30:00 <jmorris> nwidell: want to have permission up front
14:30:06 <jmorris> ... when get it otherwise?
14:30:20 <jmorris> fjh: how would I assign permissions
14:30:39 <jmorris> ... I might want to receive from someone I did not anticipate
14:30:50 <jmorris> dom:  it is about the application, not the user
14:31:08 <jmorris> ... I agree that we need to decide on defining up front or not
14:31:26 <jmorris> ... we need use cases for messaging where we can define a proper security model
14:31:34 <darobin> +1 to knowing what it is we want to do with messaging in the first place
14:31:45 <nwidell> q+
14:31:51 <fjh> ack fjh
14:31:51 <Zakim> fjh, you wanted to ask about use case
14:31:54 <fjh> ack AnssiK
14:32:15 <AnssiK> Mozilla released their Open Web Apps platform I think yesterday, they'reeyeing at "Permissions for Device API Access" spec and might have good feedback based on impl experiences: https://apps.mozillalabs.com/web_or_native.html
14:32:34 <jmorris> AnssiK:  openwebapps platform is attacking similar problems
14:32:50 <jmorris> ... they are stating that they are looking into permissions for device API
14:32:59 <jmorris> ... who would be a good mozilla contact
14:33:21 <jmorris> ... we should get feedback from people implementing stuff
14:33:41 <dom> (I hadn't seen the ref to the permissions draft in https://apps.mozillalabs.com/web_or_native.html - cool!)
14:33:48 <jmorris> ... hans? from mozilla seems to be working on plug ins
14:33:59 <jmorris> ... those guys seem to be following what we are doing
14:34:08 <darobin> s/hans?/hanson/
14:34:15 <jmorris> ... I do not know the mozilla people personally
14:34:16 <tlr> Mark Hanson
14:34:32 <tlr> s/Mark/Mike/
14:34:37 <fjh> action: contact mozilla for thoughts on messaging and permission spec
14:34:37 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - contact
14:34:52 <fjh> action: fjh contact mozilla for thoughts on messaging and permission spec
14:34:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-290 - Contact mozilla for thoughts on messaging and permission spec [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-10-27].
14:35:01 <fjh> q?
14:35:05 <fjh> ack nwidell
14:35:39 <dom> (not sure we need to contacts Mozilla on messaging; permissions sounds enough)
14:35:53 <darobin> (agreed)
14:36:28 <jmorris> dom:  asking re who is working on permission spec
14:36:38 <dom> ACTION: Maria to work on security model for messaging
14:36:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-291 - Work on security model for messaging [on Maria Angeles Oteo - due 2010-10-27].
14:36:43 <AnssiK> (the Moz Open Web Apps experiment at GitHub: http://github.com/mozilla/openwebapps)
14:36:56 <jmorris> s/permission/messaging/
14:36:59 <jmorris> Topic: Privacy
14:37:00 <dom> zakim, mute me
14:37:00 <Zakim> Dom should now be muted
14:37:13 <fjh> ACTION-210?
14:37:13 <trackbot> ACTION-210 -- Alissa Cooper to summarize and add issues to ruleset doc -- due 2010-07-21 -- OPEN
14:37:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/210
14:37:25 <jmorris> fjh: Alissa added issues to ruleset document
14:37:55 <dom> q+
14:38:02 <dom> ack me
14:38:14 <jmorris> darobin: do we discuss publishing at f2f
14:38:32 <jmorris> dom: we want to have idea of how to address issues raised at f2f
14:39:31 <jmorris> dom:  some of the issues are fundamental
14:39:49 <jmorris> ... before issuing document we need to understand that some issues are not addressable
14:39:54 <jmorris> ... we need to 
14:40:14 <jmorris> get an idea of what issues we would not be able to address
14:40:46 <jmorris> dom:  starting a FPWD suggests we know what we are doing
14:40:47 <jmorris> ...
14:40:48 <jmorris> 
14:40:49 <jmorris> 
14:40:51 <jmorris> ...
14:41:28 <jmorris> fjh:  look at issues on list
14:41:32 <jmorris> ... before the f2f
14:41:45 <fjh> action: fjh to review ruleset issues
14:41:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-292 - Review ruleset issues [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-10-27].
14:41:50 <Zakim> -AnssiK
14:42:10 <jmorris> Topic:  Contacts
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14:42:29 <jmorris> fjh: clickjacking
14:42:43 <Zakim> +AnssiK
14:42:48 <fjh> Clickjacking threat and countermeasures
14:42:48 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/0017.html 
14:42:55 <jmorris> darobin:  it is not clear that clickjacking is something we need to solve at API level
14:43:01 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/0018.html 
14:43:25 <jmorris> ... or something that needs to be solved more generally
14:43:26 <darobin> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/0025.html CSP
14:43:43 <jmorris> ... this might provide a path toward solution
14:43:56 <jmorris> ... but I'm not a security expert
14:44:08 <richt> +1 agree with Robin but not too sure on the CSP connection :/
14:44:35 <jmorris> dom:  CSP may help solve some of problem but cannot
14:44:44 <AnssiK1> q+
14:44:46 <fjh> dom: CSP is server side, so not enough for client-side API
14:44:55 <jmorris> ... use is as a security argument in API
14:45:06 <darobin> ack AnssiK1 
14:45:12 <jmorris> darobin:  soluitons will come from broader options
14:45:32 <darobin> +1 to not doing anything new
14:45:34 <jmorris> AnssiK:  we should not do anything that has not been done before
14:45:52 <jmorris> ... let's not open can of worms
14:46:17 <jmorris> ... so let's use, for example, fileinput, rather than obscure way for user input
14:46:39 <jmorris> ... if we use general mechanisms that have been tested, we are safer
14:47:15 <jmorris> darobin:  agree not to invent new input methods
14:47:53 <jmorris> richt:  looked only briefly at it
14:48:05 <jmorris> ... idea is to go straight to trusted events
14:48:21 <jmorris> ... talks about synthesized events and how they can be mitigated
14:48:37 <dom> Zakim, mute me
14:48:37 <Zakim> Dom should now be muted
14:48:42 <jmorris> ... but I still need to put some language into the contact spec
14:50:11 <richt> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/0021.html
14:50:30 <darobin> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Using_files_from_web_applications#Using_hidden_file_input_elements_using_the_click%28%29_method
14:50:35 <jmorris> AnssiK:  robin's e-mail raises issue - Anssi could not find it in spec
14:51:15 <jmorris> darobin: look at link
14:51:38 <jmorris> ... if they make this possible, it may suggest that the security issue has been solved
14:51:47 <richt> that's is an important point Robin. Thanks for the link.
14:52:17 <jmorris> richt?:  this is helpful input
14:52:30 <darobin> s/richt?/richt/
14:52:34 <jmorris> ... this reenforces our approach to this
14:53:04 <jmorris> darobin:  this helps decide the issue
14:53:25 <jmorris> richt:  a synthesized event is possible
14:53:46 <jmorris> ... I will put some of this into document by TPAC
14:54:11 <jmorris> darobin:  now to phonegap implemention
14:54:33 <jmorris> ... good that they have implemented, but not sure we need to discuss more now
14:54:48 <jmorris> richt:  good we have phonegap reenforcing what we are doing
14:54:58 <AnssiK1> q+
14:55:04 <jmorris> ... good that UI is nonnormative
14:55:14 <darobin> ack AnssiK1 
14:55:16 <jmorris> topics
14:55:24 <jmorris> s/topics//
14:56:00 <jmorris> AnssiK:  android is having hard time including all elements ?
14:57:05 <jmorris> richt:  we should clarify spec re whether all fields included
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14:58:10 <jmorris> darobin:  phonegap is implemeting read and write?
14:58:21 <jmorris> richt:  yes, both
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14:58:58 <jmorris> darobin:  read only is one way to avoid quirks
14:59:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:59:20 <darobin> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/23694B98-A35D-4572-8C2A-FA5E00D708D7@nokia.com quirks in Contacts
14:59:39 <Zakim> +??P24
15:00:12 <jmorris> darobin:  worth looking at quirks in Android implementation
15:00:49 <jmorris> ... many of them are "not supported" and "will return null"
15:00:54 <darobin> "In order to save the Contact object on the device call the save method on the Contact object."
15:01:11 <Dong-Young_Lee> Present+ Dong-Young_Lee
15:01:32 <darobin> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/AANLkTimTRDn=8eXwyY=HFqBSNbYFM4xfeBTU+h3M7PCo@mail.gmail.com save support
15:02:02 <darobin> ACTION-251?
15:02:02 <trackbot> ACTION-251 -- John Morris to review privacy text related to ISSUE-78 for capture -- due 2010-10-20 -- OPEN
15:02:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/251
15:02:15 <jmorris> Topic:  Capture
15:02:44 <jmorris> Topic:  Gallery
15:02:51 <darobin> ACTION-216?
15:02:51 <trackbot> ACTION-216 -- WonSuk Lee to reformulate gallery API to look like contacts API -- due 2010-07-21 -- OPEN
15:02:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/216
15:03:09 <jmorris> jmorris:  re Capture - I will turn to action 251
15:04:11 <dom> (I think starting with readonly for gallery makes plenty of sense)
15:04:22 <jmorris> ??:  we can look to reuse contacts approach
15:04:36 <darobin> s/??/Anssi/
15:04:41 <jmorris> ... we can make major changes to gallery
15:04:54 <jmorris> ... let's proceed with contacts design model
15:05:35 <jmorris> darobin:  do we need to wait another week?
15:06:06 <Zakim> -richt
15:06:07 <darobin> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: move forward with read-only gallery
15:06:13 <jmorris> AnssiK:  could we just copy the contacts scheme, with media parts
15:06:39 <jmorris> ... we can move faster if we split into smaller parts
15:06:43 <dom> +1
15:06:46 <darobin> RESOLUTION: move forward with read-only gallery
15:06:46 <jmorris> RESOLUTION: move forward with read-only gallery
15:07:02 <jmorris> Topic: Calendar
15:07:23 <jmorris> Topic:  Sysinfo status
15:07:35 <jmorris> darobin:  reviewing Sysinfo
15:07:47 <jmorris> ... almost done, finding small nits
15:08:14 <jmorris> ... anything else for call?
15:08:16 <tlr> zakim, drop thomas
15:08:16 <Zakim> Thomas is being disconnected
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15:08:21 <Zakim> -maoteo
15:08:23 <Zakim> -ilkka
15:08:27 <Zakim> -darobin
15:08:28 <Zakim> -Dom
15:08:29 <Zakim> -nwidell
15:08:32 <Zakim> -jmorris
15:08:34 <Zakim> -LauraA
15:08:37 <Zakim> -AnssiK
15:08:41 <Zakim> -fjh
15:08:42 <Zakim> -Claes
15:08:46 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:08:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-dap-minutes.html fjh
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15:09:10 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
15:09:11 <Zakim> Attendees were fjh, +33.2.99.12.aaaa, cmarc, darobin, Dom, Claes, nwidell, ilkka, Thomas, richt, LauraA, AnssiK, enewland, +34.97.421.aabb, danielcoloma, [IPcaller]
15:09:18 <fjh>  generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-dap-minutes.html