19:57:37 RRSAgent has joined #au 19:57:37 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/10/18-au-irc 19:57:56 Zakim, this will be AUWG 19:57:56 ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 57 minutes ago 19:58:14 Meeting: WAI AU 19:58:53 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010OctDec/0008.html 20:02:25 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started 20:02:32 +Jeanne 20:02:38 zaki, code? 20:02:42 zakim, code? 20:02:42 the conference code is 2894 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), Jan 20:02:55 +[IPcaller] 20:02:56 +??P1 20:03:56 zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan 20:03:56 +Jan; got it 20:04:21 zakim, ??P1 is really Jutta 20:04:21 +Jutta; got it 20:07:25 zakim, who is here? 20:07:25 On the phone I see Jeanne, Jan, Jutta 20:07:26 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Jan, jeanne, trackbot 20:10:57 Regrets: Sueann N. 20:12:31 + +1.571.765.aaaa 20:14:18 chair: Jutta Treviranus 20:14:27 zakim, aaaa is really GregP 20:14:27 +GregP; got it 20:14:59 Scribe: jeanne 20:15:26 agenda? 20:15:30 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010OctDec/0008.html 20:15:42 Topic: 1. Planning for additional calls to handle the high volume of proposals 20:15:48 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010OctDec/0007.html 20:15:56 agenda+ 1. Planning for additional calls to handle the high volume of proposals. 20:15:56 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010OctDec/0007.html 20:15:58 gpisocky has joined #au 20:16:04 zakim, take up item 1 20:16:04 agendum 1. "1. Planning for additional calls to handle the high volume of proposals." taken up [from jeanne] 20:16:19 agenda+ "Claimants" issue - IBM58, IBM59, and IBM60 20:16:19 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JulSep/0102.html 20:17:00 JR: because we have so many comments that we can't get through in 1 hour calls, we propose scheduling some half day meetings 20:17:28 agenda+ ATAG 2.0 Conformance Proposal 20:17:28 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JulSep/0104.html 20:17:40 agenda+ ATAG2 proposal on use of structure 20:17:40 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010OctDec/0001.html 20:17:55 agenda+ A.2.2.2 Access to Text Presentation (Minimum) 20:17:55 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010OctDec/0002.html 20:17:55 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010OctDec/0004.html 20:18:04 ARonksley has joined #au 20:18:46 JS: Can make most days work except Thursday, and I can move a single Thursday. 20:19:18 [discussion of Jutta's limited availability] 20:19:46 +??P4 20:20:09 zakim, P4 is andrewR 20:20:09 sorry, jeanne, I do not recognize a party named 'P4' 20:20:26 zakim, ??P4 is ARonksley 20:20:26 +ARonksley; got it 20:21:07 Oct 29...works for Jutta, Jan, Jeanne 20:21:17 Jeanne has something 130-300p 20:21:29 Ok for Andrwe 20:22:31 900-1200 ET 20:22:54 Resolution: A supplemental meeting 9-12ET on Oct 29 20:23:16 Topic: 2. "Claimants" issue - IBM58, IBM59, and IBM60 20:23:27 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JulSep/0102.html 20:25:03 In order to address the comments IBM58, IBM59, and IBM60, we propose to 20:25:05 follow the example set by WCAG which does not specify who a claimant can be. 20:25:06 We propose the following changes to ATAG: 20:25:08 1. Remove #4 Claimants may be anyone (e.g., authoring tool developers, 20:25:10 journalists, other third parties). 20:25:12 2. Remove #5 parenthetical clause "(including claims that include 20:25:14 products for which they are not responsible)" 20:25:39 Resolution: All accept action at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JulSep/0102.html 20:26:10 Topic: 3. ATAG 2.0 Conformance Proposal 20:26:16 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JulSep/0104.html 20:26:36 action: jeanne to update the ATAG 2.0 document with the proposal of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JulSep/0102.html 20:26:36 Created ACTION-302 - Update the ATAG 2.0 document with the proposal of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JulSep/0102.html [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-10-25]. 20:26:48 -Jan 20:27:10 agenda? 20:27:18 zakim, close item 1 20:27:21 agendum 1, 1. Planning for additional calls to handle the high volume of proposals., closed 20:27:24 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 20:27:25 2. "Claimants" issue - IBM58, IBM59, and IBM60 [from jeanne] 20:27:27 zakim, close item 2 20:27:27 agendum 2, "Claimants" issue - IBM58, IBM59, and IBM60, closed 20:27:28 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 20:27:29 3. ATAG 2.0 Conformance Proposal [from jeanne] 20:27:44 zakim, take up item 2 20:27:44 agendum 2. ""Claimants" issue - IBM58, IBM59, and IBM60" taken up [from jeanne] 20:27:59 zakim, take up item 3 20:27:59 agendum 3. "ATAG 2.0 Conformance Proposal" taken up [from jeanne] 20:28:27 JR: I worked on it with Tim Boland, who did not completely agree on this proposal. 20:29:14 It goes through the full and partial conformance levels to Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3. 20:29:14 +??P2 20:30:21 zakim, ??P2 is really Jutta 20:30:22 +Jutta; got it 20:30:34 ... for example, a checker would claim conformance to parts 1 & 3. A simple tool would claim conformance to 1 & 2, and a full featured too would claim conformance to 1, 2, & 3. 20:31:16 GP: So a claimant could claim 1 & 2, optionally 3. 20:31:32 JR: No, for example, Achecker would claim 1 & 3. 20:32:28 JR: Tim's concerns were general - Does this meet the QA standards of clearly checkable standards? 20:33:16 ... the checking and repair is the hardest piece, so we are pulling back from that by separating it into its own part. 20:33:37 JS: I like it... 20:33:58 JS: I also like the change to 1,2,3 20:34:23 JR: Does anyone have a concern about it? 20:34:39 AR: no concerns at this minute 20:34:40 AR: No concern 20:34:45 GP: Support it 20:34:46 GP: I support it, I like it 20:35:47 -Jutta.a 20:36:39 +[IPcaller] 20:37:13 zakim, [IPcaller] is Jutta 20:37:13 +Jutta; got it 20:37:38 JT: It achieves what we want and retains the A & B framing. 20:38:04 Resolution: All accept proposal at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JulSep/0104.html 20:38:21 Resolution: Accept the rewording of Topic: 3. ATAG 2.0 Conformance Proposal 20:38:21 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JulSep/0104.html 20:38:28 Topic: 4. ATAG2 proposal on use of structure 20:38:39 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010OctDec/0001.html 20:38:59 action: Jeanne to update document with the text from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010OctDec/0001.html 20:38:59 Created ACTION-303 - Update document with the text from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010OctDec/0001.html [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-10-25]. 20:39:05 zakim, close this item 20:39:05 agendum 3 closed 20:39:06 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 20:39:07 4. ATAG2 proposal on use of structure [from jeanne] 20:39:13 zakim, take up item 4 20:39:13 agendum 4. "ATAG2 proposal on use of structure" taken up [from jeanne] 20:40:25 JR: The most difficult comment to deal with is that "we want to hide complexity and structure from the user". There are times when simplicity will help accessibility. 20:43:20 ...I moved it to AA. I tried up a number of alternatives, but finding the code behind the method calls, may be useful. 20:43:22 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010OctDec/0001.html 20:44:01 ... obviously, this is useful for a big, big web document. What's the definition of a big, big web document? 20:44:15 ... where do we draw the line and how do we draw the line? 20:45:36 JT: There are a lot of assumptions that aren't stated, but if we state them, it becomes too complex 20:47:39 JS: I think that with good examples, we can make it more clear. 20:48:51 JR: Another possibility is to keep what we have at AA or AAA...since I don't think it is essential 20:50:26 topic: We have a meeting on the 25th when Jutta is away, but we can set up a survey so that those with regrets can participate. 20:50:48 GP: I have regrets for 25th as well, but will participate with the survey. 20:50:58 agenda? 20:51:03 -ARonksley 20:51:03 -Jutta 20:51:03 -Jutta.a 20:51:15 -GregP 20:51:26 rrsagent, make minutes 20:51:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/18-au-minutes.html jeanne 20:51:30 RRSAgent, make minutes 20:51:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/18-au-minutes.html Jan 20:51:37 ARonksley has left #au 20:51:39 RRSAgent, set logs public 20:51:49 Zakim, bye 20:51:49 leaving. As of this point the attendees were Jeanne, Jan, Jutta, +1.571.765.aaaa, GregP, ARonksley 20:51:49 Zakim has left #au 20:51:55 RRSAgent, bye 20:51:55 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/18-au-actions.rdf : 20:51:55 ACTION: jeanne to update the ATAG 2.0 document with the proposal of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010JulSep/0102.html [1] 20:51:55 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/18-au-irc#T20-26-36 20:51:55 ACTION: Jeanne to update document with the text from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2010OctDec/0001.html [2] 20:51:55 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/18-au-irc#T20-38-59