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15:05:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Incubator Group Teleconference
15:05:49 <trackbot> Date: 15 October 2010
15:07:27 <Luc> i can do it if apprpriate
15:08:33 <YolandaGil> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/BibBase_Collection
15:08:43 <DGarijo> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/BibBase_Collection
15:09:55 <ssahoo2> Daniel: Bibliography divided accoding to the three scenarios
15:09:56 <Paolo> Daniel I see lots of python problems
15:11:18 <Paolo> q+
15:11:36 <pgroth> we can do it through the mailing list
15:11:44 <pgroth> as well, have a look at least
15:12:18 <Paolo> this is just a bib file it can be so easily duplicated as long as there is a master copy under control
15:12:34 <Paolo> q+
15:12:43 <Paolo> I don't think that's the way to do it
15:12:44 <DGarijo> yes
15:12:49 <DGarijo> why?
15:13:04 <Paolo> because Mendeley should be the master source
15:13:13 <Paolo> the bib should be autogenerated from there
15:13:27 <Paolo> so that people can keep adding entries on their own
15:13:48 <Paolo> q+
15:13:58 <Paolo> are we dumping Mendeley altogether then?
15:14:14 <YolandaGil> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Final_Report_Draft
15:14:26 <ssahoo2> Yolanda: discussion on the final report
15:14:32 <Paolo> oh well. topic closed I guess
15:14:37 <DGarijo> Paolo, I got the Mendeley tag and I curated it. 
15:14:47 <DGarijo> I tried to use the Mendeley .bib file
15:14:58 <DGarijo> but it generate parsing errors
15:15:06 <DGarijo> when used with bibbase
15:15:17 <Paolo> we never really made the decision to drop Mendeley -- it's useful in other ways
15:15:33 <Paolo> anyway -- Yolanda is not tuned in so never mind
15:15:55 <DGarijo> ok, maybe we can discuss it offline?
15:16:02 <Paolo> yesh no worries
15:16:04 <DGarijo> ok
15:16:14 <ssahoo2> Yolanda: discussion on first section of report: definition of provenance
15:18:07 <JimM> I'm happy to help somewhere...
15:18:07 <pgroth> Luc says he'll do the "What is provenance section"
15:18:18 <ssahoo2> Luc to work on first section of the final report
15:18:32 <pgroth> I'm up for this section
15:19:10 <ssahoo2> Yolanda: discussion on second section of the report "Importance of provenance"
15:20:25 <ssahoo2> Paulo to work on second section of the final report
15:20:54 <ssahoo2> Yolanda: discussion on the third section of the report
15:21:16 <pgroth> +q
15:23:08 <Paolo> q-
15:23:12 <pgroth> q-
15:23:36 <ssahoo2> Paul, Paolo, Satya to work on third section of the report 
15:24:07 <jcheney> q+
15:24:31 <YolandaGil> ack jcheney
15:26:31 <ssahoo2> Yolanda: discussion on fourth section of the report "Summary of state of the art and gaps"
15:26:47 <Jose_> I can give a hand anywhere but have no bandwidth to lead it
15:27:18 <ssahoo2> Jose to work on the fourth section of the final report
15:30:06 <ssahoo2> James and Paul also to contribute to the fourth section of the final report 
15:30:53 <YolandaGil> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Presentations_on_State_of_the_Art
15:32:45 <Jose_> +1 to emphasize role of gap analysis
15:36:19 <ssahoo2> Yolanda: discussion on the "Roadmap" section of the final report
15:38:51 <DGarijo> if you  need help, I would like to contriubute too, Satya, Sam
15:42:13 <Paulo> q+
15:43:06 <ssahoo2> Sam, James, Daniel, and Satya to work on the "Roadmap" section
15:43:35 <pgroth> this is recommendation #6
15:43:38 <pgroth> by the way
15:43:52 <ssahoo2> provenir:transformation_of  – This property is similar to the ro:transformation_of property that is asserted between two entities that preserve their identity between the two transformation stages. For example, an cancer cell is a provenir:transformation_of a normal cell. 
15:48:12 <ssahoo2> Simon to also contribute to "Roadmap" section
15:49:04 <ssahoo2> Yolanda: discussion on the "Recommendations" section of the report
15:49:14 <ssahoo2> q+
15:50:56 <YolandaGil> ack Paulo
15:51:06 <ssahoo2> q-
15:53:01 <ssahoo2> Yolanda: "Recommendation" section of the final report can be used to propose W3C for the creation of a Provenance Working Group
15:57:35 <jcheney> would it be ok to put proposed charter be put on the wiki (as a draft) so that it can be discussed publicly (along with alternatives)?
15:58:09 <Luc> http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/lavm/draft-charter.html
15:59:15 <ssahoo2> q+
15:59:34 <Luc> we thought it was not appropriate to put it on the wiki, since it is a draft, not supported by the group.
16:00:07 <Luc> an the wiki will persist beyond the incubator lifetime
16:02:07 <ssahoo2> Yolanda: discussion on the charter for the working group proposed by Luc and Paul
16:05:01 <Luc> Paulo, you seem to have forgotten OPMV for the serialization, which was designed by a non-opm author and users
16:15:12 <pgroth> jose: discussing that opm can be used as a good starting point
16:15:43 <ssahoo2> q-
16:16:22 <pgroth> jimmyers: it's a good starting point because it originates from a similar process
16:16:49 <pgroth> jcheney: not strongly one way or another
16:17:05 <pgroth> jcheney: opm a good starting, pml could be as well
16:17:16 <pgroth> jcheney: how do we make this rigouris
16:18:13 <pgroth> jcheney: are there standard mappings between these data models
16:18:37 <pgroth> jcheney: people claim that these mappings cannot be done
16:19:02 <Paulo> q+
16:19:04 <pgroth> jcheney: what would be the bullet point about the formal semantics
16:19:06 <ssahoo2> Agree with James - so using RIF in terms of provenance exchange format as template for the charter will be good
16:20:23 <pgroth> yolanda: concrete feedback is helpful
16:20:48 <ssahoo2> Yolanda: discussion on charter to continue next week
16:21:09 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public
16:21:17 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:21:24 <pgroth> trackbot, end telcon
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16:21:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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16:21:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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