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15:00:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:00:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:00:27 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:00:28 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:00:28 <trackbot> Date: 14 October 2010
15:00:51 <MichaelC> zakim, this is 2119
15:00:51 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
15:00:56 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
15:00:59 <MichaelC> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:00:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, Janina_Sajka, Gregory_Rosmaita
15:01:37 <oedipus> zakim, ??P3 is Everet_Zufelt
15:01:37 <Zakim> +Everet_Zufelt; got it
15:01:45 <Zakim> +??P0
15:02:18 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P0 is me
15:02:18 <Zakim> +MichaelC; got it
15:02:40 <Zakim> + +1.408.823.aaaa
15:02:52 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Eric_Carlson
15:02:52 <Zakim> +Eric_Carlson; got it
15:07:06 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:07:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Everet_Zufelt, Janina_Sajka, Gregory_Rosmaita, MichaelC, Eric_Carlson
15:09:31 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:09:56 <oedipus>  zakim ,choose a victim
15:10:06 <oedipus>  zakim, choose a victim
15:10:06 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose MichaelC
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15:12:43 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
15:12:43 <janina> Chair: Mike
15:12:43 <janina> agenda: this
15:12:43 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:12:43 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
15:12:44 <janina> agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; Media; Canvas; ARIA Mappings
15:12:46 <janina> agenda+ next meetings, confirm date/time, choose scribe
15:12:48 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:12:53 <Zakim> + +44.207.391.aabb
15:12:59 <janina>  agenda+ Current HTML Surveys
15:13:27 <oedipus> zakim, aabb is Marco_Ranon
15:13:27 <Zakim> +Marco_Ranon; got it
15:13:53 <oedipus> zakim, agendum 1
15:13:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agendum 1', oedipus
15:13:58 <MichaelC> zakim, who's noisy?
15:14:01 <oedipus> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:14:01 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
15:14:08 <Zakim> MichaelC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MichaelC (19%), Everet_Zufelt (19%), Gregory_Rosmaita (5%), Marco_Ranon (4%)
15:14:11 <oedipus> zakim, close agendum 1
15:14:11 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed
15:14:13 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:14:14 <Zakim> 2. Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open [from janina]
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15:14:28 <oedipus> GJR now muted
15:14:36 <oedipus> scribenick: ezufelt
15:14:46 <oedipus> scribe: Everett_Zufelt
15:14:53 <MichaelC> zakim, who's noisy?
15:15:03 <Zakim> MichaelC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Marco_Ranon (54%)
15:15:49 <janina> Chair: Janina_Sajka
15:15:57 <oedipus> action-66?
15:15:57 <trackbot> ACTION-66 -- Michael Cooper to prepare description of problem and basic proposed solution for bug 8885 - run first past bug triage team and then take to TF for consideration [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-a11y-bugs-minutes.html#action05] -- due 2010-10-12 -- OPEN
15:15:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/66
15:16:33 <oedipus> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8885
15:17:30 <oedipus> zakim take up agendum 3
15:17:43 <oedipus> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:17:43 <Zakim> agendum 5. "be done" taken up [from janina]
15:17:54 <oedipus> TOPIC: HTML WG Surveys
15:17:56 <oedipus> HTML5 Survey 1 - ISSUE-74: canvas-accessibility and ISSUE-105 canvas-usemap - Straw Poll for Objections http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issues-74-and-105-objection-poll/
15:17:59 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
15:18:03 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
15:18:07 <oedipus> HTML5 Survey 2: ISSUE-32: how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? - Straw Poll for Objections http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-32-objection-poll/
15:18:14 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Summary_Change_Proposal_Nov_18%2C_2009
15:18:18 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/SummaryAttribute20100222
15:18:23 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jul/0052.html
15:21:06 <ezufelt> \aGR: Summary as an element that is not displayed by defaut, but can take structured text and language markup.
15:21:51 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/summary_element
15:22:02 <oedipus> which was also filed as HTML Bug 10784 - change summary from an attribute to an element (http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10784) 
15:23:40 <oedipus> TOPIC: Sub-Team Reports
15:24:20 <oedipus> EZ: working with gez - filed bug about droppable attribute -- added tracker request - to do is open an issue for it - hixie wanted more specific info about where lang of spec should be  changed so not referencing only mouse actions
15:24:30 <oedipus> EZ: glad to have help on this
15:24:38 <oedipus> EZ: only 2 bugs that needed to be filed
15:24:45 <oedipus> JS: correct - seem to be on top of that
15:24:52 <oedipus> JS: time left for change proposals
15:25:18 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:25:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Everet_Zufelt, Janina_Sajka, Gregory_Rosmaita, MichaelC, Eric_Carlson, [Microsoft], Marco_Ranon (muted)
15:25:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see ezufelt, Marco_Ranon, Zakim, RRSAgent, oedipus, MichaelC, davidb, MikeSmith, janina, sideshow, trackbot
15:25:46 <MichaelC> zakim, Microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly
15:25:46 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
15:26:42 <ezufelt> CS: Steve filed issue related to bug which holds sub bugs related ARIA mappings.
15:28:04 <ezufelt> CS: Canvas survey missing question about focus rectangle and caret.
15:28:05 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
15:28:05 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:28:07 <Zakim> +Mike
15:28:23 <oedipus> i/TOPIC: Sub-Team Reports/scribenick: oedipus/
15:28:29 <ezufelt> GS: We intended to defer this question.
15:28:47 <oedipus> i/CS: Steve filed issue/scribenick: ezufelt/
15:28:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:29:33 <ezufelt> CS: It seems we have the counter proposal and not the original proposal.
15:29:38 <oedipus> regrets: Laura_Carlson,Kenny_Johar,Joshue_O'Connor,Sylvia_Pfeiffer
15:30:05 <oedipus> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Oct/0480.html
15:30:09 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:30:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:31:20 <ezufelt> MC: Triage team going through bugs marked needs info or won't fix.
15:31:41 <ezufelt> MC: Identifying bugs that need to be taken to task force.
15:32:15 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Access/HTML5_Accesskey_Bugs
15:32:32 <ezufelt> MC: Getting ready to bring some bugs up to the task force.
15:32:53 <MikeSmith> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-a11y-bugs-minutes.html  Bug Triage sub-group 2010-12 minutes
15:33:22 <ezufelt> MC: Assigning some bugs to facilitators of sub groups to make sure they are properly addressed.
15:33:25 <Marco_Ranon> i agree
15:33:48 <Marco_Ranon> nothing to add
15:33:56 <MikeSmith> q?
15:34:57 <oedipus> HTML5 Survey 1 - ISSUE-74: canvas-accessibility and ISSUE-105 canvas-usemap - Straw Poll for Objections http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issues-74-and-105-objection-poll/
15:35:01 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
15:35:05 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105
15:36:09 <ezufelt> CS: Will start a private mail thread to figure out decision on survey question related to canvas focus / rectangle.
15:37:04 <ezufelt> GS: Media teleconferences have not been happening past two weeks. Some sub team members participated in open subtitles in NY a couple of weeks ago.
15:37:54 <ezufelt> GS: Addition to media user requirements, ancilary content: explaining the kinds of things you want to hear inline, skip, or navigate to.
15:38:11 <oedipus> s/GS:/JS:/G
15:38:13 <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike
15:38:13 <Zakim> Mike is being disconnected
15:38:14 <Zakim> -Mike
15:38:20 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
15:38:20 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:38:22 <Zakim> +Mike
15:38:26 <ezufelt> GS: Analogous to footnotes or other interuptive content.
15:41:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:43:29 <Marco_Ranon> bye
15:43:29 <Zakim> -Eric_Carlson
15:43:30 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
15:43:31 <Zakim> -MichaelC
15:43:32 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:43:35 <Zakim> -Marco_Ranon
15:44:46 <oedipus> zakim, please part
15:44:46 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Janina_Sajka, Gregory_Rosmaita, Everet_Zufelt, MichaelC, +1.408.823.aaaa, Eric_Carlson, +44.207.391.aabb, Marco_Ranon, Cynthia_Shelly,
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15:44:49 <Zakim> ... Mike
15:45:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:45:58 <oedipus> present: MikeSmith
15:46:36 <oedipus> present- [+1.408.823.aaaa]
15:46:50 <oedipus> present- +44.207.391.aabb
15:46:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:48:08 <oedipus> present+ Janina_Sajka,Gregory_Rosmaita,Everett_Zufelt,MichaelC,Eric_Carlson,Marco_Ranon,Cynthia_Shelly
15:48:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/14-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:54:03 <ezufelt> rrsagent bye
15:54:16 <ezufelt> rrsagent, bye
15:54:16 <RRSAgent> I see no action items