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16:17:43 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Consensus on the Navigation Timing definitions
16:17:49 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Feedback on the timing diagram
16:17:55 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Feedback on the processing model, if we include navigationStart, this may inadvertently reveal information about redirectStart and redirectEnd in cross-domain scenarios
16:18:00 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Time permitting, Resource Timing and User Timing
16:18:05 <AndersonQuach> agenda+ Any other business
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16:20:54 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: navigationStart, what about navigations without unloads?
16:21:12 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: this should line up with the HTML5 spec
16:21:45 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: Any concern with the definition fetch start?
16:24:25 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: Looks good, as long as we do not enforce undefined phases.
16:24:29 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: Sounds good.
16:25:11 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: domContentLoaded split to domContentLoadedEventStart, domContentLoadEventEnd?
16:25:26 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: Jonas brought that up, to be consistent with events.
16:26:03 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: should we added it?
16:26:14 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: Works for me.
16:26:18 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: yep.
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16:27:11 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: navigationStart is stated after the redirect phase, should it start before redirect phase to be closer to user committing the navigation?
16:28:40 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: the navigationStart moves is implemented in WebKit as in front of the redirect phase.
16:28:45 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: IE as well.
16:29:38 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: navigationStart moved in front of redirectStart can expose the redirect phase.
16:30:13 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: All of the folks presented on the onsite respect privacy concerns, and review with browser security team and summarize the issue on an email thread.
16:32:23 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: navigationStart and prompt for unload should happen prior to redirect.
16:33:08 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: it is possible to have unload phase in the HTML5 spec?
16:33:17 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: Can you share that reference?
16:33:47 <Zhiheng> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/history.html#navigating-across-documents
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16:35:59 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: Note in the beginning of 4.5 stating the lifetime.
16:36:11 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: Add one more sentence in step 1, they miss that.
16:36:16 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: Good idea.
16:36:48 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: Step 3 in the processing model, there may be a typo. -- 3. If the current document and the previous document are not from the same origin set both unloadEventStart and unloadEventEnd to 0 then go to step 5. Otherwise record unloadEventStart as the time immediately before the unload event fires.
16:37:44 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: What are the differences between step 5 and 6.
16:38:22 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: if http
16:38:40 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: before app cache lookup, and step 6 is not an http get.
16:38:46 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: should these be merged?
16:38:53 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: Yes, it would help.
16:39:37 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: Step 15, sub-bullet 4.. add redirectStart and redirectEnd in the exclusion list.
16:40:23 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: navigationStart should point to the start of the redirect, not consistent with the diagram.
16:40:36 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: this section will be dependent on our joint security review.
16:42:11 <AndersonQuach> AndersonQuach: it is our understanding that no new window object is created during a redirect. Tony is that similar to WebKit.
16:42:22 <AndersonQuach> TonyG: Yes, no new window object is created for 300s with a subsequent 200.
16:45:07 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: Graph is non-normative, itself does not have to be conformance benchmark.
16:45:34 <AndersonQuach> Zhiheng: you're correct we do not have to enforce the gaps/ undefined phases.
16:45:49 <AndersonQuach> NicJansma: Are there any other business with Navigation Timing Spec
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17:15:26 <AndersonQuach> meeting: Web Performance Working Group Teleconference
17:15:33 <AndersonQuach> chair: ArvindJain
17:15:37 <AndersonQuach> chair: JasonWeber
17:15:42 <AndersonQuach> regrets: JasonWeber
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