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20:03:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
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20:03:07 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
20:03:08 <trackbot> Date: 12 October 2010
20:03:10 <heycam> Zakim, code?
20:03:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 7841 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), heycam
20:03:32 <Zakim> GA_SVGWG()4:00PM has now started
20:03:33 <Zakim> +Shepazu
20:03:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:03:43 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
20:03:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:03:46 <heycam> Zakim, [ is me
20:03:46 <Zakim> +heycam; got it
20:03:46 <ChrisL> its good to add an @issue with the issue number, but that is not what we have currently
20:04:06 <Zakim> + +1.617.588.aaaa - is perhaps Thierry
20:04:10 <Zakim> +??P1
20:04:21 <ed> Zakim, ??P1 is me
20:04:21 <Zakim> +ed; got it
20:04:41 <Zakim> +ChrisL
20:04:56 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
20:04:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Shepazu, heycam, Thierry, ed, ChrisL
20:04:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, anthony, ChrisL, tbah, heycam, ed, karl, anthony_work, ed_work, shepazu, trackbot, fantasai
20:05:16 <Zakim> -Thierry
20:05:21 <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010OctDec/0016.html
20:05:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:05:54 <anthony> Zakim, [IP is me
20:05:54 <Zakim> +anthony; got it
20:06:02 <Zakim> + +1.617.588.aabb - is perhaps Thierry
20:07:49 <ChrisL> zakim, drop Thierry
20:07:49 <Zakim> Thierry is being disconnected
20:07:50 <Zakim> -Thierry
20:08:27 <ChrisL> tbah, looks like it was you after all
20:08:36 <ChrisL> please redial
20:09:05 <Zakim> +tbah
20:09:34 <anthony> Scribe: anthony
20:09:39 <anthony> Chair: Erik
20:09:46 <anthony> ScribeNick: anthony
20:10:14 <anthony> Topic: SVG 1.1F2 implementation report
20:10:15 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010OctDec/0011.html
20:10:32 <anthony> ED: We have updates to the implementation query XML file
20:10:36 <anthony> ... and test suite status
20:10:48 <anthony> ... I noticed the issues on tests are not listed
20:10:55 <anthony> ... in the overview table
20:11:29 <anthony> CL: It's not counting up the issues
20:11:38 <anthony> ... but it is marking them red in the table
20:11:55 <anthony> ED: Are those tests part of the accepted tests?
20:12:39 <anthony> AG: No, I don't think they haven't been added in
20:12:44 <anthony> CL: When did you last run that?
20:12:50 <anthony> AG: When I sent my email out
20:12:54 <anthony> CL: There's been a few more added
20:13:10 <anthony> ED: Do you think it makes sense to run the scripts again?
20:13:18 <anthony> CL: I finished my action
20:13:29 <anthony> ... and I have reviewed several MS tests
20:13:38 <anthony> ... mostly pretty straight forward
20:13:53 <anthony> ... I would argue that most of them could be accepted?
20:13:59 <anthony> ED: Do you have a list?
20:14:15 <anthony> s/could be accepted?/could be accepted/
20:14:46 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:15:15 <anthony> ED: Have we made sure we don't have a lot of tests with brackets?
20:15:22 <anthony> CL: I checked the ones I had done
20:15:29 <anthony> ... and got rid of the brackets
20:15:37 <anthony> AG: I fixed a few as well the other day
20:15:47 <anthony> ED: I'll commit the files, they seem to be ok from what I can tell
20:16:28 <anthony> ...
20:16:32 <anthony> ... ok, done
20:17:11 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_status.html
20:17:23 <ed> now lists the issues in the overview table
20:17:24 <anthony> CM: Could you summarise what's going on with the test suite in terms of status information?
20:17:33 <ed> 408 accepted tests
20:17:40 <ed> sorry, 406
20:17:54 <ed> the total number seems borked though :)
20:18:42 <anthony> ED: What's been going on lately is we been reviewing and adding tests for changes made in the 2nd edition spec
20:18:48 <anthony> ... and been reviewing MS tests
20:18:57 <anthony> CM: In that table
20:20:15 <anthony> ... the "unreviewed" have disappeared from the table
20:23:06 <ChrisL> um, the test_suite_status seems to have only a single line now
20:23:54 <ed> sorry if i borked this, what i did was only to run "make teststatus" in the scripts directory
20:23:57 <anthony> ALL: [Test discussion]
20:24:07 <anthony> CL: Some of the tests that MS committed are pretty simple tests
20:24:15 <anthony> ... they check small things
20:24:25 <anthony> ... and we have at least two implementations there
20:24:33 <anthony> ... because Opera passes most of those as well
20:24:45 <ChrisL> the number reviewed should not be zero
20:25:31 <anthony> CM: How much test work is there to do on the test suite?
20:25:41 <anthony> CL: We have a test suite freeze at the end of the month
20:25:59 <anthony> ... some really old tests that have been around for years have been accepted
20:26:12 <anthony> ... and we are going to talk about what we are going to do with the new tests
20:26:18 <anthony> CM: I can spend some time reviewing tests
20:29:53 <ChrisL> I will continue going through the ms tests, have reviewed about 18 or so
20:30:08 <anthony> Topic: Accepting New Tests
20:30:41 <ChrisL> painting-marker-07-f.svg
20:31:12 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/painting-marker-07-f.svg
20:31:51 <anthony> CL: I'll make reference images as needed
20:31:57 <ChrisL> accepted
20:31:58 <anthony> ... for the ones I say I can do
20:32:13 <ChrisL> masking-path-14-f.svg
20:32:27 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/masking-path-14-f.svg
20:33:08 <anthony> ED: The pass criteria is a bit long
20:33:18 <anthony> ... do we need the second paragraph there?
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20:33:47 <anthony> CL: Some tests have a description on how and why they work
20:33:50 <ChrisL> ok, move lengthy prose on how it works to description
20:34:00 <anthony> ED: That should go into the description area
20:34:00 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/masking-path-12-f.svg
20:35:40 <anthony> CL: The pass criteria needs to say something like "If you support CSS style sheets then.."
20:35:42 <ed> Zakim, who is noisy?
20:35:52 <ChrisL> pass crieria don't take into account optionality of style sheets (selectors)
20:35:56 <Zakim> ed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: heycam (90%), anthony (10%)
20:36:07 <ChrisL> zakim, mute heycam
20:36:07 <Zakim> heycam should now be muted
20:36:43 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-image-03-f.svg
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20:37:25 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-gauss-03-f.svg
20:37:59 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-gauss-02-f.svg
20:38:19 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-felem-02-f.svg
20:38:34 <Zakim> -heycam
20:38:38 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/masking-path-13-f.svg
20:39:25 <anthony> CL: Added a red rect to show up on error
20:39:27 <ChrisL> add operator script
20:39:45 <anthony> ... don' t like tests that show up blank
20:40:04 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/coords-transformattr-05-f.svg
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20:40:27 <ed> typo: paramters
20:40:32 <ChrisL> oops
20:40:37 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/masking-path-11-b.svg
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20:41:15 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/masking-mask-02-f.svg
20:41:16 <anthony> CL: Some I have recommitted with the right name
20:41:37 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/linking-a-10-f.svg
20:42:21 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/imp-path-01-f.svg
20:42:45 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/coords-transformattr-04-f.svg
20:43:09 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/coords-transformattr-03-f.svg
20:43:54 <anthony> ED: Last one here needs to move the pass criteria
20:43:57 <ChrisL> move pass criteria to test description
20:44:00 <anthony> ... up to the test description
20:45:29 <ChrisL> ok so I will mark all those as accepted
20:46:28 <anthony> AG: Committed new test suite status
20:46:42 <anthony> CL: Seeing some odd things here
20:46:51 <anthony> ... animate-elem-24
20:46:56 <anthony> ... sure I got rid of the red in that
20:47:28 <anthony> .... it's because uses an image patch
20:47:43 <ChrisL> the patch has red but the image is ok. need to update patch
20:48:07 <anthony> CL: That status page looks ok if you scroll down
20:48:29 <anthony> ... if you click on the link that says "hide accepted" it reduces it down to a single row
20:50:50 <anthony> ... so we've accepted two batches of the MS tests
20:51:01 <anthony> ... I'll have to go back through the patch files and fix them up
20:51:10 <anthony> ... or delete them if we don't need a patch file
20:51:25 <anthony> ED: If you want to review tests that is a good place to start
20:51:48 <ChrisL> i don't see any reviewed tests but there should be 18
20:51:54 <ed> heycam: if you want to review tests, http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_status.html and click the "Click to toggle accepted tests" link
20:52:04 <heycam> ed, ok, will do
20:53:26 <ChrisL> struct-image-13-f.svg to struct-image-15-f.svg
20:53:55 <ChrisL> ok i will make 8 bit versions for the patch
20:54:33 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-composite-03-f.svg
20:54:36 <ChrisL> gee its such a pity that Batik does not handle 16 bit per component PNG images ....
20:56:51 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/interact-pevents-10-f.svg
20:56:51 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/interact-pevents-10-f.svg
20:57:37 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/pservers-pattern-04-f.svg
20:57:47 <ChrisL> pservers-pattern-04-f.svg
20:59:29 <ChrisL> action chris to mark all the accepted tests from todays telcon
20:59:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2880 - Mark all the accepted tests from todays telcon [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-10-19].
21:00:26 <ChrisL> after I have done it I will send email so we can regen the xml file for testing
21:00:28 <anthony> ED: Done on the tests sutie?
21:00:40 <anthony> Topic: Progress on Last Call Issues
21:00:41 <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/2010/09/SVG1.1SE-LastCall/dump.html
21:00:57 <anthony> ED: Wondering if it is possible to get a Disposition of Comments?
21:01:06 <anthony> CL: We need to add notes to some of these issues
21:01:16 <anthony> ... if we have had replies we should mark it
21:01:33 <anthony> ... and if the working group accepts it
21:01:39 <anthony> ... we should mark it
21:01:48 <anthony> ED: I spent some time fixing mine in the issue tracker
21:01:56 <anthony> ... there were 13 undressed issues
21:02:21 <anthony> AG: I know I have at least one issue
21:02:31 <anthony> ... haven't had a chance to look at it yet
21:02:50 <anthony> ED: We are about half way there
21:02:58 <anthony> CL: Probably more, some of those we've done i
21:03:10 <anthony> s/done i/done it/
21:03:18 <anthony> ... just haven't been marked
21:04:36 <anthony> Topic: AnimateMotion and transform on <svg> elements
21:05:12 <anthony> ED: The thread seemed to conclude that animate motion does apply to the <svg> element
21:05:25 <anthony> ... the spec says that <svg> elements don't have the transform attribute
21:05:42 <anthony> ... but it would be good to have a transform available to child SVG elements
21:05:47 <anthony> ... that would make sense
21:05:56 <anthony> ... not very different to having x,y attributes
21:06:04 <anthony> CL: Do we have implementations that do anything with that?
21:06:16 <anthony> ED: With transform on child <svg> elements?
21:06:35 <anthony> ... but not suggesting to add it to 1.1 2nd edition
21:06:42 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Oct/0068.html
21:06:43 <anthony> CL: So thinking of adding it to SVG 2?
21:06:46 <anthony> ED: Yes
21:06:58 <anthony> ... AlexD and Cameron seemed to agree
21:08:01 <anthony> ... if you have SVG as a property it can be placed on the root
21:08:15 <anthony> ... should a raise a general issue?
21:08:25 <anthony> CL: Yes, raise an issue
21:09:21 <heycam> One question is whether you make the transform="" apply after or before the implicit transform that gets set up due to x/y/width/height/viewBox/pAR.
21:10:04 <ChrisL> issue-2382?
21:10:04 <trackbot> ISSUE-2382 -- Allow 'transform' on nested <svg> elements -- raised
21:10:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2382
21:10:17 <anthony> ED: Have to define how it applies
21:10:26 <anthony> ... something to think about later
21:10:45 <ChrisL> topic: pAR on image
21:10:46 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Oct/0047.html
21:11:01 <anthony> Topic: Inconsistency about preserveAspectRatio for <image> element
21:11:07 <anthony> CL: He's right
21:11:33 <anthony> ED: What exactly is he suggesting to change?
21:12:03 <anthony> CL: If the referring element says "defer" then you do take notice of the aspect ratio being referred to
21:12:12 <anthony> ... we should treat this as a last call comment
21:12:26 <anthony> ED: Will you add it to the tracker if that is the case
21:12:28 <anthony> CL: Yes
21:13:27 <anthony> ACTION: Chris to Add wording to the specification to address issue raised in Inconsistency about preserveAspectRatio for <image> element
21:13:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2881 - Add wording to the specification to address issue raised in Inconsistency about preserveAspectRatio for <image> element [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-10-19].
21:13:28 <ChrisL> ISSUE-2383?
21:13:29 <trackbot> ISSUE-2383 -- Last Call Comment: pAR on image, and defer -- raised
21:13:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2383
21:13:42 <ChrisL> close action-2881
21:13:43 <trackbot> ACTION-2881 Add wording to the specification to address issue raised in Inconsistency about preserveAspectRatio for <image> element closed
21:13:45 <ChrisL> :)
21:14:15 <anthony> Topic: feDisplacementMap needs to specify how to treat output
21:14:39 <anthony> ED: I think the specification says what to do
21:14:55 <anthony> ... it says that colour interpolation filters do not apply to in source image
21:15:07 <anthony> ... and if it doesn't apply, how can it apply to the result
21:15:26 <anthony> ... it says in particular that you apply colour interpolation filters to the displacement map
21:15:33 <anthony> ... I guess I could go either way on this
21:15:47 <anthony> ... but I guess it would be a good idea to clarify what happens
21:16:15 <anthony> ... The colour space of in source image should be the colour space of the filter output
21:16:43 <anthony> AG: Would make it simple
21:16:52 <anthony> ED: Not sure what Opera is doing at the moment
21:17:35 <ed> s/Not sure what Opera is doing at the moment/don't think this is what opera does at the moment, will have a look at the code/
21:18:23 <anthony> ... would be interesting to see what ASV did as well
21:18:52 <ed> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11015
21:19:21 <anthony> ACTION: Erik to Propose wording or a test case for what the colour space should be for feDisplacementMap
21:19:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2882 - Propose wording or a test case for what the colour space should be for feDisplacementMap [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-10-19].
21:21:18 <Zakim> -ed
21:21:20 <Zakim> -ChrisL
21:21:21 <Zakim> -anthony
21:21:23 <Zakim> -tbah
21:21:26 <Zakim> -Shepazu
21:21:33 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
21:21:34 <Zakim> GA_SVGWG()4:00PM has ended
21:21:36 <Zakim> Attendees were Shepazu, [IPcaller], heycam, +1.617.588.aaaa, ed, ChrisL, anthony, +1.617.588.aabb, tbah, [Microsoft]
21:21:57 <anthony> trackbot, end telcon
21:21:57 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
21:21:57 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
21:21:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
21:21:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-svg-minutes.html trackbot
21:21:59 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
21:21:59 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-svg-actions.rdf :
21:21:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chris to Add wording to the specification to address issue raised in Inconsistency about preserveAspectRatio for <image> element [1]
21:21:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-svg-irc#T21-13-27
21:21:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erik to Propose wording or a test case for what the colour space should be for feDisplacementMap [2]
21:21:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-svg-irc#T21-19-21