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11:59:35 <rigo> zakim, this will be pling
11:59:35 <Zakim> ok, rigo; I see P3P_PLING()8:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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12:01:17 <renato> i'm on the call...
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12:01:49 <rigo> zakim, ??P5 is Renato
12:01:49 <Zakim> +Renato; got it
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12:02:15 <rigo> zakim, ??P6 is Rigo
12:02:16 <Zakim> +Rigo; got it
12:03:16 <renato> ashok - will u be calling in?
12:04:07 <Ashok> dialing .../
12:04:26 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
12:06:55 <renato>  First Report from Privacy and data usage control - Rigo
12:07:01 <renato> http://www.w3.org/2010/policy-ws/
12:07:07 <rigo> http://www.w3.org/2010/policy-ws/agenda.html
12:07:17 <renato> well attended
12:07:36 <renato> tbl was there for 2 days (!)
12:08:19 <renato> first day - Frederick Hirsch introduced DAP issues
12:08:39 <renato> absence of legal people
12:08:57 <renato> ...in the london workshop
12:09:43 <renato> real life issues from a telco....combine FB + AddressBook etc - real issues
12:10:29 <renato> everybody who as an AD and Web browser is a "data controller"
12:11:45 <renato> data protection directives....developers do not know the boundaries
12:12:23 <renato> need clear rules...good behaviour needed
12:13:07 <renato> EG: use of MAC address to find me....going beyond "expectations"
12:13:49 <renato> Nick Doty paper: simple policy negotiation mechanism 
12:14:57 <renato> Suggestion: serialise P3P in JSON vocab - combine resulting semantics with Nick's work...
12:15:58 <renato> more research in UI....more guidelines....W3C needs to change the paradigm of the hand-off of the UI....
12:16:30 <renato> in Privacy...we (w3c) needs to more proactive and making UI more "aware"
12:17:04 <renato> Michael Hart paper: simple tagging system - resulting tag cloud was pretty precise
12:17:28 <renato> 2nd Day - shaped by prez by Hal Abelson
12:18:00 <rigo> http://www.w3.org/2010/api-privacy-ws/papers/privacy-ws-37.html
12:18:22 <renato> Asks: "why are we doing all that"
12:18:47 <renato> Principle: I expect that this will not harm me....we need to protect these
12:19:06 <renato> EG: getting sacked for posting unsavoury photos on SN
12:19:54 <renato> Combine with Data Usage Rules - eg bar the HR dept from using this content
12:20:55 <renato> Solutions proposed by Yang + Jae (simple approach)
12:21:28 <renato> David Chadwick paper: lots of XACML work....complicated 
12:21:35 <renato> Truth - in the middle
12:22:42 <renato> Market in the data-usage control (back end)
12:22:56 <renato> At the front end - market not so clear
12:23:07 <renato> How to get them to care?
12:23:39 <renato> Conclusion: propose a lightweight access to the API
12:24:10 <renato> What is the link between all these workshop?
12:24:26 <rigo> http://www.w3.org/News/2010.html#entry-8902
12:25:41 <rigo> http://www.iab.org/about/workshops/privacy
12:26:01 <renato> IAB workshop will be "broader"
12:26:48 <renato> IETF required a "security" section in all RFCs....perhaps need a "Privacy" section too...
12:28:00 <renato> Mac Address issue - rigo to post link to public-policy list
12:29:21 <rigo> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-privacy/
12:32:36 <renato> MAWG Feedback - RI to respond - "we are not happy" - but will not hold u up....
12:34:10 <renato> Meeting closed
12:43:05 <Zakim> -Rigo
12:43:07 <Zakim> -Renato
12:43:08 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
12:43:08 <Zakim> P3P_PLING()8:00AM has ended
12:43:10 <Zakim> Attendees were Renato, Rigo, Ashok_Malhotra
12:43:22 <rigo> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
12:43:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-pling-minutes.html rigo
12:43:33 <rigo> zakim, bye
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12:43:39 <rigo> rrsagent, bye
12:43:39 <RRSAgent> I see no action items