20:00:58 RRSAgent has joined #svg 20:00:58 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-svg-irc 20:01:00 RRSAgent, make logs public 20:01:00 Zakim has joined #svg 20:01:02 Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG 20:01:02 ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()4:00PM scheduled to start now 20:01:03 Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference 20:01:03 Date: 07 October 2010 20:02:05 anthony, are you in a position to quickly turn the crank to update the test suite status? 20:02:20 ed has joined #svg 20:03:00 tbah has joined #svg 20:03:07 anthony_work has joined #svg 20:03:09 GA_SVGWG()4:00PM has now started 20:03:17 +??P9 20:03:23 anthony_ has left #svg 20:03:35 +[Microsoft] 20:03:40 Zakim, ??P9 is me 20:03:40 +ed; got it 20:03:40 anthony has joined #svg 20:04:01 pdengler has joined #svg 20:04:23 +??P10 20:04:30 Zakim, ??P10 is me 20:04:30 +anthony; got it 20:04:38 +ChrisL 20:04:51 Zakim, who's here? 20:04:52 On the phone I see ed, [Microsoft], anthony, ChrisL 20:04:53 On IRC I see pdengler, anthony, anthony_work, tbah, ed, Zakim, RRSAgent, heycam, ChrisL, f1lt3r, jwatt, shepazu, trackbot, fantasai, ed_work 20:05:21 + +39.537.7.aaaa 20:06:00 zakim +39 is tbah 20:06:05 zakim, +39 is tbah 20:06:05 +tbah; got it 20:06:14 scribeNick: pdengler 20:06:20 topic: TPAC Issues 20:06:23 +Shepazu 20:06:37 ed: Action: Setting up meeting with CSS Group 20:06:51 ed: Will there be a session for publicFX? 20:07:02 ChrisL: Yes, there will be a meeting for that task force 20:07:07 ChrisL: No time yet established 20:07:14 ChrisL: Will we need a phone 20:07:26 anthony: I will be attending 20:07:38 ed: Will Tav be dialing in? 20:08:05 s/I will be attending/chance I'll be attending/ 20:08:39 pdengler: what are our options for getting a phone? 20:08:48 ChrisL: I've asked for a regular call in phone 20:09:07 a polycom bridge thing 20:09:11 ed: Got an email from Alex asking to fill out the form and asking whether or not we need a flip cord 20:09:43 ChrisL: I already asked for this 20:09:49 already asked for a polycom phone and a flip chart 20:11:03 ChrisL: they are allocating rooms 20:12:48 pdengler: If I have payed have i regesitered? 20:12:53 ChrisL: Not necessarily 20:13:17 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/registrants#Svg 20:13:30 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/ 20:13:34 http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/#Registration 20:14:49 shepazu: that's 6 of us if Tony can make it 20:15:14 pdengler: (galaga sounds) 20:15:19 zakim who is making noise? 20:15:45 Zakim, who's noisy? 20:15:55 shepazu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (11%), anthony (9%), ChrisL (9%) 20:16:24 Zakim, who's noisy? 20:16:36 shepazu, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: ed (3%), anthony (39%), Shepazu (40%) 20:17:11 Zakim, who's noisy? 20:17:24 shepazu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ed (31%), Shepazu (49%) 20:18:36 ed: Any items that we want on the agenda for TPAC 20:18:49 ChrisL: Are we expected to have implementations ready by then? 20:18:54 ed: I wanted that as another topic 20:19:13 ed: Unless we have the report it is not going to be done at the time, and it depends upon how many tests there are 20:20:02 pdengler: We discussed that we wouldn't get this done mostly because we want to get the microsoft tests reviewed and the analysis about potential name chages from Microsoft for some of themn 20:20:18 ChrisL: I've done 'de-red-ding' (removing red) 20:20:45 ChrisL: Which is why I was asking Anthony to run the status regen, but I am basically down to basic shapes 20:21:00 ChrisL: I wanted to get a better handle on how we were doing 20:21:31 anthony: I went through the test suite to generate the XML impelementation report file and some just don't have approval 20:21:40 ChrisL: I think there are more now than there were yesterday 20:21:52 anthony: There were only 300 or so tests that had been accepted 20:22:57 ChrisL: last one that was run was a month ago 20:23:26 ed: When can we have then, the full list of tests? 20:23:34 ChrisL: I am 3/4 done. 20:23:47 pdengler: Does that include the ones Microsoft submitted? 20:23:56 ChrisL: No, mine was for the previous, older ones 20:24:25 ChrisL: We should talk about the recent tests and go through those 20:26:01 pdengler: Last conf call we discussed Microsoft's effort to do an all-up surface review to help modularize the test suite so developers can understand the support for SVG better across impelemntations 20:27:59 http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_status.html# 20:28:50 pdengler has joined #svg 20:29:23 anthony: I see 408 tests now 20:30:09 s/408/408 accepted/ 20:30:22 ed: I would like to have the template ready to test before TPAC 20:30:38 What does testing before TPAC mean? 20:31:01 ed: If we have some preliminary results from some implementations, we can start doing the implementation report 20:31:45 ed: we don't expect these to change 20:32:21 ed: the tests that are already accepted should be tested 20:33:15 scribeNick: shepazu 20:33:17 pdengler: I hear what you're saying... 20:33:19 ... there's a set of tests that we all agree on and are stable 20:33:29 ... and doug is saying this doesn't preclude us from recategorizing them 20:33:38 s/we don't expect these to change/we don't expect the tests that have already been accepted to change, and we can therefore test and rely on those results/ 20:34:07 pdengler: my question is, are we going to publish the results before the recategorization and analysis 20:34:20 ChrisL: depends on what you mean by publish 20:34:35 ... we need to get a sense of where we are, to push implementations 20:35:06 ... this will not be the final implementation report that we publish for transition from CR to PR to Rec 20:38:19 pdengler: so, with regard to new tests... we would like to submit a few more tests for inclusion in the implementation report 20:38:37 ChrisL: we are open to reviewing them 20:39:01 ed: I think they are nice tests, just a matter of resources 20:40:21 ChrisL: I've reviewed about half of the new MS tests 20:40:34 ... of the first lot 20:42:29 ed: I'd like to prioritize the tests relevant to second edition 20:43:48 pdengler: what was the quality of the tests, ChrisL? 20:43:48 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0140.html 20:44:10 ChrisL: the first tests had some errors, but they have improved over time 20:44:20 ... most are straightforward 20:44:32 ... I haven't looked at the more recent batch 20:45:05 ed: the ones I've seen I had to adapt to the test framework, which is a pita 20:45:29 pdengler: that's because SVG fonts is in the template 20:45:57 which are used for labelling text. its not needed to pass the tests 20:46:14 i would expect the svg 2 test suite to use woff fonts 20:47:48 shepazu: I think we should go through some tests and report errors that make them hard to review, so microsoft can improve conformance to the template 20:48:41 some feedback from me on the last batch of tests: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0136.html 20:50:23 shepazu: We will push through some spot testing (Doug, Chris, maybe Tony) of recently submitted tests on Monday 20:51:30 pdengler: How about we adjust the tests based on the feedback first (the tests we submitted0 20:51:40 pdengler: If that is before Monday we will let you know 20:53:07 nuqDaq 'oH puchpa''e' 20:53:08 pdengler: plan is to start spot testing on Monday 20:55:15 anthony: I am redoing status report now 20:56:03 ChrisL: on the subject of implementations, alexdanelo is sending his work so I will run the tests 20:56:29 s/alexdanelo/alex danilo/ 20:56:48 karl has joined #svg 20:58:52 pdengler: I have some opinions on backward compat and "promoting" attributes to properties at a high level which I am still working through 20:59:07 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2010OctDec/0013.html 21:00:29 -[Microsoft] 21:04:03 http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_status.html 21:08:24 think you need to install Image::Magick (via CPAN) 21:10:29 http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2331 21:10:42 topic: ISSUE-2331 21:13:39 topic: ISSUE-2353 21:13:52 ISSUE-2353? 21:13:52 ISSUE-2353 -- Last Call Comment: Clarify coordinates for feImage. -- raised 21:13:52 http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2353 21:14:43 http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/filters.html#FilterPrimitiveSubRegion 21:15:00 "the default subregion is 0%,0%,100%,100%, where as a special-case the percentages are relative to the dimensions of the filter region, thus making the the default filter primitive subregion equal to the filter region." 21:15:15 http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/filters.html#feImageElement 21:16:15 Scribe: anthony 21:16:40 TB: The the change regarding that issue is fine 21:17:11 issue-2339? 21:17:11 ISSUE-2339 -- Last Call Comment: definition of azimuth, elevation for feDistantLight -- open 21:17:11 http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2339 21:17:17 topic: ISSUE-2339 21:17:55 scribenick: anthony 21:18:03 AG: Hoping to have my investigation finished for the telcon nextweek 21:18:33 http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/24 21:19:04 ED: That's the list of last call issues 21:19:22 CL: If people let me know when we are in good shape I'll do another update 21:19:38 AG: Might be worth doing an update end of next week 21:22:01 Topic: Public-FX 21:22:20 ED: Noticed that CSS wanted to have premultiplied values for the gradient interpolation 21:22:35 CL: The idea is to get around a grey effect that they didn't like 21:22:57 ... I've made a change to CSS Color which says that transparent gives you transparent black 21:23:36 DS: This touches on the topic before 21:23:42 ... where SVG has a separate opacity 21:24:18 CL: Means that SVG needs to deal with RGBA 21:24:35 ... and it the just need to multiply together 21:24:43 ... it's not too hard for us to add that 21:24:56 ... and we already have the infrustructure to add that 21:25:02 ... Opera already implements that 21:25:12 ED: New version of FF has that as well 21:25:40 s/New version of FF/FF since v3.5 IIRC/ 21:29:04 f1lt3r has joined #svg 21:33:08 -ChrisL 21:33:09 -ed 21:33:11 -tbah 21:33:12 -Shepazu 21:33:12 -anthony 21:33:13 GA_SVGWG()4:00PM has ended 21:33:15 Attendees were [Microsoft], ed, anthony, ChrisL, +39.537.7.aaaa, tbah, Shepazu 21:33:28 trackbot, end telcon 21:33:28 Zakim, list attendees 21:33:28 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 21:33:29 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 21:33:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-svg-minutes.html trackbot 21:33:30 RRSAgent, bye 21:33:30 I see no action items 21:38:22 RRSAgent has joined #svg 21:38:22 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-svg-irc 21:38:56 RRSAgent, make minutes 21:38:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-svg-minutes.html anthony