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09:04:11 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
09:04:11 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM scheduled to start 4 minutes ago
09:04:12 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
09:04:12 <trackbot> Date: 06 October 2010
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09:04:44 <jackjansen> zakim, code?
09:04:44 <Zakim> the conference code is 3724 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), jackjansen
09:05:06 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has now started
09:05:14 <Zakim> + +39.523.0.aaaa
09:05:20 <raphael> zakim, aaaa is raphael
09:05:20 <Zakim> +raphael; got it
09:05:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/06-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:05:54 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Oct/0003.html
09:06:00 <raphael> Chair: Raphael
09:06:05 <raphael> Regrets: Erik, Silvia
09:06:20 <Zakim> + +20592aabb
09:06:22 <Zakim> +Yves
09:06:42 <raphael> zakim, aabb is jackjansen
09:06:42 <Zakim> +jackjansen; got it
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09:08:13 <Zakim> + +329331aacc
09:17:55 <raphael> Matroska (MKV)
09:17:59 <Yves> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matroska
09:18:30 <Yves> scribe: jackjansen
09:18:40 <Yves> chair: raphael
09:18:53 <jackjansen> 1. ADMIN
09:18:59 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-mediafrag-minutes.html
09:19:02 <davy> +1
09:19:05 <raphael> +1
09:19:10 <jackjansen> Raphael: minutes accepted
09:20:17 <jackjansen> Raphael: keep 183 open, in progress
09:20:21 <raphael> ACTION-185?
09:20:21 <trackbot> ACTION-185 -- Yves Lafon to book zakim for the 2 days meeting of the group on Mon 1st and Tue 2nd Nov -- due 2010-09-29 -- OPEN
09:20:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/185
09:23:20 <jackjansen> Raphael: 188 closed, just now reminded Jack
09:23:29 <jackjansen> 2. MEDIA FRAGMENT EXTENSION
09:23:46 <raphael> close ACTION-188
09:23:47 <trackbot> ACTION-188 Remind Jack and Michael to register asap for TPAC closed
09:28:01 <raphael> Raphael: summarizing the long thread and discussion about extensibility
09:28:10 <raphael> ... and summarizing the position of philip
09:28:55 <raphael> Jack: the only thing we should say is: if we partially understand a media fragment, should we accept or ignore ?
09:29:04 <raphael> ... this is one line in the spec
09:29:47 <raphael> ... we should accept what is acceptable
09:30:11 <raphael> ... and in particular if a media fragment URI can have things we don't understand
09:30:21 <raphael> ... and personally I don't care about the gramme
09:30:26 <raphael> s/gramme/grammar
09:31:10 <raphael> Yves: we should be very caution with extension
09:31:13 <jackjansen> Yves: we should be careful with extensions
09:31:28 <raphael> ... e.g. the ref redefines an existing dimension
09:36:20 <jackjansen> Jack: explains we could use an attribute to control strict or loose parsing
09:36:30 <jackjansen> All: think this is ugly
09:36:34 <Yves> :)
09:38:17 <jackjansen> Jack: suggestion: we mandate the chair to decide something
09:42:49 <raphael> Jack: I have no strong feeling either way
09:44:17 <jackjansen> Jack: I do think (and so does Davy) that if we recognize the attribute name then the value musrt adhere to our syntax
09:44:26 <jackjansen> s/musrt/must
09:44:53 <raphael> #t=banana ... means parsing stops
09:45:36 <davy> #t=10&t=20 ... means parsing stops?
09:45:46 <Yves> well if you always ignore what you don't understand #t=banana&xywh=10,10,20,20 should be xywh=10,10,20,20
09:46:16 <davy> I disagree
09:46:47 <jackjansen> That woulnd mean that t=1o&xywh=1,2,3,4 wold pars
09:47:15 <Yves> this is what is consistent with 'ignorning what you don't understand'
09:48:05 <Yves> we have t=npt:120, what happens if we have t=<mytimeunit>:120 ?
09:53:04 <Yves> we can have extensionaxis = extensionname = extensionvalue
09:53:21 <raphael> Jack: we should not try to encode in a grammar what we will not understand
09:55:26 <Yves> but jack, encoding extension points is a good thing to do
10:00:50 <jackjansen> Yves: either we do nothing about extension or do it correct, with extensionaxis in the grammar
10:01:47 <jackjansen> Yves: we could check what existing implementations do
10:02:01 <jackjansen> Raphael: they are waiting for us to specify correct behaviour
10:03:25 <jackjansen> Raphael: time to adjourn
10:04:30 <Zakim> -Yves
10:04:31 <Zakim> -Davy
10:04:31 <Zakim> -jackjansen
10:04:32 <Zakim> -raphael
10:04:32 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
10:04:34 <Zakim> Attendees were +39.523.0.aaaa, raphael, +20592aabb, Yves, jackjansen, +329331aacc, Davy
10:05:07 <raphael> Jack: I suggest the chairs put a deadline and take a decision on this issue
10:05:27 <raphael> Raphael: I agree, I will have a discussion with Erik
10:05:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/06-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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10:09:25 <raphael> s/wold/would
10:09:42 <raphael> s/ignorning/ignoring
10:09:49 <raphael> s/pars/parse
10:10:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/06-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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