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14:58:24 <Joshue> zakim, this is a11y-bugs
14:58:24 <Zakim> sorry, Joshue, I do not see a conference named 'a11y-bugs' in progress or scheduled at this time
14:58:24 <kliehm> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
14:59:32 <kliehm> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Oct/0247.html
15:04:29 <MichaelC> zakim, this will be 2119
15:04:29 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML_TF)11:00AM scheduled to start 4 minutes ago
15:04:44 <Joshue> zakim, code?
15:04:44 <Zakim> the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), Joshue
15:04:53 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML_TF)11:00AM has now started
15:04:56 <Zakim> +kliehm
15:05:00 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
15:05:58 <MichaelC> chair: Martin_Kliehm
15:06:13 <MichaelC> meeting: Bug Triage sub-group - HTML A11Y TF
15:06:19 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
15:06:39 <Zakim> -kliehm
15:07:26 <Zakim> +kliehm
15:08:18 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
15:08:30 <Zakim> -kliehm
15:08:31 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML_TF)11:00AM has ended
15:08:33 <Zakim> Attendees were kliehm, Michael_Cooper
15:08:55 <MichaelC> present: Martin_Kliehm, Joshue_O'Connor, Michael_Cooper
15:08:59 <MichaelC> regrets: Marco_Ranon
15:09:11 <kliehm> regrets+ Laura_Carlson
15:09:45 <kliehm> agenda: this
15:09:52 <kliehm> agenda+ Identify Scribe
15:10:00 <kliehm> agenda+ Review of NEW and INVALID bugs (aka. previous homework)
15:10:04 <kliehm> agenda+ Assign homework for next week
15:10:09 <kliehm> agenda+ be done
15:10:39 <kliehm> zakim, move to agendum 2
15:10:39 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review of NEW and INVALID bugs (aka. previous homework)" taken up [from kliehm]
15:10:53 <MichaelC> zakim, drop item 1
15:10:53 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe, dropped
15:11:25 <Joshue> BUG 8715 7.3 Scrolling elements into view 
15:11:29 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Oct/0247.html
15:11:34 <Joshue> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/editing.html#scrolling-elements-into-view
15:11:45 <Joshue> Am unsure, on reflection if this is an issue. The notion of scrolling etc is a rendering within the visual browser, elements within the source code should still be focusable ? either way. I suggest either closing the bug, or adding a note about elements still being focusable to screen reader users and/or users of other forms of AT. If relevant.
15:12:28 <kliehm> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8715
15:19:44 <Joshue> Bug 8740 ? How do pseudo-class selectors interact with WAI-ARIA? 
15:19:56 <kliehm> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8740
15:20:16 <Joshue>  I contacted the PF for their advice on Bug 8740 and got replies from David Bolter who strongly advises against interaction between ARIA and pseudo-class selectors. and Gez,  who states that aria attributes can be selected directly, so there would be no need for "checked" to correlate to aria-checked. Suggest closing bug as resolved. There is also a related HTML 5/ARIA Mapping thread that started on the Xtech list.
15:25:39 <kliehm> http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-api-map/overview.html
15:27:17 <Joshue> http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/aria-html5-proposal.html
15:29:05 <MichaelC> Relationship to CSS selectors
15:30:51 <MichaelC> Some CSS selectors, like :checked, provide information similar to ARIA states and properties, like aria-checked. Authors are advised that the values of these selectors and ARIA properties are not synchronized by user agents. If content uses both CSS pseudoclasses and ARIA, authors must updated both when changes occur.
15:31:46 <Joshue> ACTION: Josh to ping Stevef with suggested spec text for Bug 8740
15:34:14 <kliehm> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8885
15:40:29 <Joshue> BUG 8622 Activation behaviour and pre-click activation 
15:40:41 <kliehm> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8622
15:40:52 <Joshue> comment under "Interactive Elements" from the PF's HTML5 spec review [1]:  "UAWG23: activation behaviour and pre-click activation - there are too many opportunities for some accessibility nightmare here so it maybe worth reading these points and then discussing them. MC: discuss. My biggest concern is that it's all mouse-biased. Beyond that, I can't figure out what it does."  [1] http://www.w3.org/2009/08/html5-spec-review 
15:41:04 <Joshue> No further info forthcoming.
15:43:58 <Joshue> BUG 10591, conflicting info for table element in aria section
15:44:05 <kliehm> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10591
15:44:11 <Joshue> Bug was accepted, close.
15:45:25 <Joshue> WHATWG listing for this bug http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5514&to=5515
15:48:20 <Joshue> ACTION: Josh to ping Stevef to see if he is satisfied with resolution to http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10591
15:50:46 <kliehm> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10592
15:50:52 <Joshue> Bug 10592 - "h1 to h6 element that does have an hgroup ancestor" not listed in ARIA section
15:51:03 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10592
15:51:11 <Joshue> This doesn?t seem to be resolved. Suggest we review.
15:55:13 <Joshue> Bug 10593 - thead, tfoot and tbody conflicts in aria section
15:55:15 <kliehm> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10593
15:55:22 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10593
15:55:31 <Joshue> Suggest Close
15:57:50 <kliehm> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10594
15:57:55 <Joshue> Bug 10594 - conforming use of various aria attributes not specified
15:58:02 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10594
15:58:18 <Joshue> Steve Notes: Wish to escalate as not providing clear information to authors on how
15:58:26 <Joshue> Needs attention.
16:03:03 <Joshue> Bug 10596 - Clarify what <img> represents if no@alt, no@title and NOT the sole content of a <figure>+<figcaption> element
16:03:11 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10596
16:03:17 <Joshue> Bug accepted, close.
16:03:48 <Joshue> WHATWG revision http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5516&to=5517
16:06:28 <MichaelC> topic: Next Week
16:06:48 <MichaelC> Continue processing homework and actions from last week http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-a11y-bugs-minutes
16:07:07 <MichaelC> Michael to chair and send agenda
16:07:38 <MichaelC> s/and send agenda//
16:07:53 <MichaelC> scribeOptions: -final
16:08:42 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:08:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-a11y-bugs-minutes.html MichaelC
16:09:38 <kliehm> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
16:11:18 <MichaelC> zakim, bye
16:11:18 <Zakim> Zakim has left #a11y-bugs
16:11:20 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
16:11:20 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-a11y-bugs-actions.rdf :
16:11:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Josh to ping Stevef with suggested spec text for Bug 8740 [1]
16:11:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-a11y-bugs-irc#T15-31-46
16:11:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Josh to ping Stevef to see if he is satisfied with resolution to http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10591 [2]
16:11:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/05-a11y-bugs-irc#T15-48-20