19:59:59 RRSAgent has joined #svg 19:59:59 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-svg-irc 20:00:01 RRSAgent, make logs public 20:00:01 Zakim has joined #svg 20:00:03 Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG 20:00:04 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 20:00:04 Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference 20:00:04 Date: 30 September 2010 20:03:21 Zakim:, room for 7? 20:03:42 anthony has joined #svg 20:03:51 Zakim, code? 20:03:51 sorry, ed, I don't know what conference this is 20:04:13 Zakim, room for 7? 20:04:15 ok, shepazu; conference Team_(svg)20:04Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 2104Z 20:04:28 Team_(svg)20:04Z has now started 20:04:29 +Shepazu 20:04:42 Zakim, this is SVG 20:04:42 shepazu, this was already Team_(svg)20:04Z 20:04:43 ok, shepazu; that matches Team_(svg)20:04Z 20:05:02 +[IPcaller] 20:05:18 Zakim, [IP is me 20:05:18 +ed; got it 20:06:03 +??P13 20:06:11 Zakim, ??P13 is me 20:06:11 +anthony; got it 20:06:39 ChrisL has joined #svg 20:06:39 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0144.html 20:07:03 i'm having a problem connecting, zakim says the conference is restricted 20:10:07 + +39.524.9.aaaa 20:10:21 zakim, +39 is me 20:10:21 +ChrisL; got it 20:11:14 -ChrisL 20:11:23 chair: ed 20:11:29 scribeNick: ed 20:11:41 topic: SVG 1.1 implementation report / testsuite 20:12:41 + +39.524.9.aabb 20:12:53 zakim, +39 is me 20:12:53 +ChrisL; got it 20:13:35 ed: we should get started on the 1.1 implementation report 20:14:00 CL: have an action to go through old tests and mark them properly as reviewed/approved 20:14:05 ...will do that tomorrow 20:15:28 ed: will hopefully have some automated tests for checking in tomorrow 20:15:50 cl: the css wg did some automated tests too 20:17:07 ed: all this is using the test.w3.org testing framework 20:17:36 ... what do we need to do to get started on the implementation report? 20:18:24 cl: did we agree to use the same template as before, the xml-files generated by the svg perl scripts? 20:18:37 ed: yes, if it still works 20:18:44 ag: checking this now 20:18:55 ...they are being generated 20:20:07 ed: we need to make sure that only accepted tests are in the test status xml-file 20:20:32 ...currently it's probably using the list of tests that are in the harness, which includes drafts 20:22:47 ACTION: AG to generate the svg 1.1f2 implementation report test status xml-template consisting of the list of all accepted SVG 1.1 tests 20:22:48 Created ACTION-2877 - Generate the svg 1.1f2 implementation report test status xml-template consisting of the list of all accepted SVG 1.1 tests [on Anthony Grasso - due 2010-10-07]. 20:25:20 ed: do we need to re-run previous 1.1 tests, or can we run just the new tests? 20:25:45 cl: we could, but it's probably better to re-run everything 20:26:20 (discussion on who has actions for testing various implementation) 20:26:52 ag: just regenerated the test status template, need to get the list of tests to include 20:29:12 ed: sent http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0140.html (some tests that need review) 20:29:43 ... if we need to change the spec to address 1.1F2, we will need to add more tests 20:29:51 ... how do we deal with that? 20:31:28 cl: we can merge old test results with new test results 20:31:34 ...most tests won't change 20:31:41 ... avoid repeating work 20:32:12 ds: we should only test tests that changed, or where previously it was a fail 20:32:42 ag: we could generate the blank impl query, and start merging bits that we know results for 20:33:09 ds: is this a job for xslt? 20:33:17 cl: not very good at taking two input documents 20:33:37 ds: what's the process, how are we going to do this? 20:34:00 ag: i have the action mentioned above, to generate the test report 20:34:56 ds: what's the automated process? 20:35:48 cl: not there yet, but merge old results, generate new template with those results 20:36:08 ...this is mostly for when we add a small amount of new tests 20:36:39 ds: if we put the results into a database it might be easier 20:36:58 cl: sure, that means we don't use the xml templates 20:37:26 ds: so it's mostly about how we do this in an easy way 20:38:27 ... a CSV file can easily be imported into SQL 20:38:40 ... don't know how we want to automate the process 20:40:12 ... we should talk to the testing taskforce 20:40:59 ed: so the testing framework seems to have provisions for automated (scriptdriven) tests, and produces an html report, but not sure about manual/interactive tests 20:41:31 http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Test_Suite_Overview 20:42:56 topic: TPAC 20:43:52 ds: people should register for TPAC as soon as possible 20:44:07 cl: the daily charge goes up soon 20:46:00 ds: we need to set up a meeting with the css group 20:46:30 ... CL can you setup an FX taskforce meeting? 20:47:32 ACTION: CL to set up a FXTF meeting with the CSS WG for TPAC 2010 20:47:32 Created ACTION-2878 - Set up a FXTF meeting with the CSS WG for TPAC 2010 [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-10-07]. 20:50:26 ed: any other groups we want to meet with? 20:50:29 ag: html, xsl? 20:50:46 ds: do we need to meet with webapps? 20:52:36 ... there will be discussion of DOM 3 Events 20:54:21 ... one open issue for DOM 3 Events is that DOM 3 Events doesn't have a way to normalize x and y coordinates (for transforms etc) 20:54:44 cl: what does that means? 20:55:06 ds: it's to deal with screenCTM etc 20:57:51 ACTION: ed to contact jwatt regarding DOM 3 Events and mouse events normalization, and send LC feedback on DOM 3 Events 20:57:51 Created ACTION-2879 - Contact jwatt regarding DOM 3 Events and mouse events normalization, and send LC feedback on DOM 3 Events [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-10-07]. 20:59:44 topic: next f2f (after tpac) 20:59:52 ed: what's the status? 21:00:27 ds: jwatt is investigating mozilla hosting in new zeeland 21:01:23 Jonathan Watt wrote (on 9/13/10 9:26 PM): 21:01:24 Okay, got approval. Mozilla will host a F2F in Auckland in January/February 21:01:24 (other date could be fine too, but the weather is good then). 21:02:47 http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Testing_Framework 21:02:54 cl: tpac is november, so january sounds a bit early 21:05:34 ed: late february would be good, since tpac is in november 21:05:39 cl: sounds good to me 21:06:35 ds: will communicate that to jwatt 21:07:04 ed: would be nice to get the meetings wikipage updated with the details for the auckland f2f 21:07:20 ds: will remind him about that too 21:09:03 http://dev.w3.org/Graphics-FX/modules/2D-transforms/spec/2DTransforms.html 21:09:42 topic: css/svg 2d transforms 21:10:00 ag: many changes, see changelog for the history 21:10:06 ... mostly ready for publishing 21:12:37 topic: html change requests 21:13:04 ds: html wg is trying to freeze changes to html5, and they want changerequests in today or tomorrow 21:13:35 ... the treatment of param elements was one thing i know of, they're static and don't update 21:13:55 ... i'm filling out a change req for that 21:14:03 ...anything else we need to ask for? 21:14:20 ... referring to the SVG integration spec, maybe? 21:14:33 CL: i thought we had already agreed to doing that 21:14:39 ed: yes, would be good 21:29:18 -ChrisL 21:29:18 -ed 21:29:20 -anthony 21:29:30 -Shepazu 21:29:32 trackbot, end telcon 21:29:32 Zakim, list attendees 21:29:33 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 21:29:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-svg-minutes.html trackbot 21:29:34 RRSAgent, bye 21:29:34 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-svg-actions.rdf : 21:29:34 ACTION: AG to generate the svg 1.1f2 implementation report test status xml-template consisting of the list of all accepted SVG 1.1 tests [1] 21:29:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-svg-irc#T20-22-47 21:29:34 ACTION: CL to set up a FXTF meeting with the CSS WG for TPAC 2010 [2] 21:29:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-svg-irc#T20-47-32 21:29:34 ACTION: ed to contact jwatt regarding DOM 3 Events and mouse events normalization, and send LC feedback on DOM 3 Events [3] 21:29:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/30-svg-irc#T20-57-51 21:29:34 Team_(svg)20:04Z has ended 21:29:38 Attendees were Shepazu, [IPcaller], ed, anthony, +39.524.9.aaaa, ChrisL, +39.524.9.aabb 21:29:42 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is