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20:04:07 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
20:04:07 <trackbot> Date: 29 September 2010
20:05:34 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
20:05:34 <Zakim> IA_Fonts()4:00PM has not yet started, ChrisL
20:05:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, ChrisL, cslye, Vlad, sergeym, John, tal, jfkthame, erik, jdaggett, trackbot
20:05:57 <jdaggett> zakim, who is on the phone
20:05:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', jdaggett
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20:08:57 <cslye> Latest Editor's Draft: http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/spec/
20:10:44 <jdaggett> zakim, scribenick jdaggett
20:10:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'scribenick jdaggett', jdaggett
20:11:07 <ChrisL> scribenick: jdaggett
20:11:28 <ChrisL> topic: woff faq
20:11:48 <jdaggett> John: there's been some criticism of the FAQ on Typophile
20:12:13 <jdaggett> John: my idea was to review the FAQ 
20:12:16 <John> http://typophile.com/node/73465
20:12:35 <jdaggett> ChrisL: my idea was just to put together something quickly
20:13:02 <jdaggett> John: some of the criticism is a bit over the top
20:14:21 <ChrisL> action: john to review woff faw with chris and vlad
20:14:21 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john
20:14:21 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jhudson, jdaggett)
20:14:30 <ChrisL> action: john hudson to review woff faw with chris and vlad
20:14:30 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john
20:14:30 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jhudson, jdaggett)
20:14:43 <ChrisL> action: jhudson to review woff faw with chris and vlad
20:14:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Review woff faw with chris and vlad [on John Hudson - due 2010-10-06].
20:15:11 <jdaggett> vlad: we can help with that
20:15:22 <ChrisL> topic: actions review
20:15:28 <ChrisL> action-15?
20:15:28 <trackbot> ACTION-15 -- Jonathan Kew to split intro to remove these requirements and insert them into a new section, "normative references" -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
20:15:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/15
20:16:05 <jdaggett> vlad: describing action
20:16:33 <jdaggett> discussion at f2f
20:16:34 <jdaggett> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2010Aug/0054.html
20:17:05 <jdaggett> vlad: for conformance we have to specify something as a font format within the sfnt
20:17:35 <jdaggett> vlad: we discussed that off could be one conformance point
20:17:56 <jdaggett> vlad: in section 1 we have references to CORS, HTML5
20:18:11 <jdaggett> vlad: we discussed that these should be normative refs
20:19:05 <jdaggett> John: we probably want to put this on the f2f agenda
20:19:15 <jdaggett> John: it's a relatively long discussion
20:19:44 <jdaggett> topic: action-16?
20:19:51 <jdaggett> action-16?
20:19:51 <trackbot> ACTION-16 -- Jonathan Kew to s3 Woff header, first entry, add "must be" -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
20:19:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/16
20:20:44 <jdaggett> jfkthame: ok, this seems clear enough
20:21:07 <jdaggett> ChrisL: it's helpful if you put the action item in the cvs commit
20:21:16 <jdaggett> ChrisL: if possible
20:21:30 <jdaggett> jfkthame: well, i haven't been doing things action by action
20:22:04 <jdaggett> topic: action-17
20:22:07 <jdaggett> action-17?
20:22:07 <trackbot> ACTION-17 -- Jonathan Kew to sec 2, 3rd para - split the wording the wording to have two conformance requirements - extra padding to be rejected on the conversion side and extra padding to be rejected by the UA in the WOFF itself -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
20:22:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/17
20:23:29 <jdaggett> my proposed wording deals with padding in the WOFF itself
20:24:56 <jdaggett> vlad: right, any padding/overlap in the WOFF should be omittied
20:25:29 <jdaggett> vlad: i would suggest using data block rather than file block
20:25:45 <jdaggett> vlad: data block can apply to any particular part of the woff
20:26:51 <jdaggett> i think the wording in the existing spec + my proposed change is enough
20:27:02 <jdaggett> vlad: close this action
20:27:03 <ChrisL> close action-17
20:27:03 <trackbot> ACTION-17 Sec 2, 3rd para - split the wording the wording to have two conformance requirements - extra padding to be rejected on the conversion side and extra padding to be rejected by the UA in the WOFF itself closed
20:27:29 <ChrisL> action-18?
20:27:29 <trackbot> ACTION-18 -- Jonathan Kew to s3 Woff header, first entry, actually dont add "must be", instead add "must" to the decriptoin in the following text -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
20:27:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/18
20:27:46 <jdaggett> action: jfkthame: incorporate new propsed change proposed by jdaggett
20:27:46 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jfkthame
20:28:07 <ChrisL> trackbot, status
20:28:35 <jdaggett> action: Jonathan:  incorporate new propsed change proposed by jdaggett
20:28:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-30 -  incorporate new propsed change proposed by jdaggett [on Jonathan Kew - due 2010-10-06].
20:28:43 <jdaggett> topic: action-18
20:28:57 <jdaggett> vlad: action-18 can be closed
20:29:00 <ChrisL> close action-18
20:29:00 <trackbot> ACTION-18 S3 Woff header, first entry, actually dont add "must be", instead add "must" to the decriptoin in the following text closed
20:29:03 <ChrisL> close action-16
20:29:03 <trackbot> ACTION-16 S3 Woff header, first entry, add "must be" closed
20:29:29 <jdaggett> topic: action-19
20:30:04 <jdaggett> action-19?
20:30:04 <trackbot> ACTION-19 -- John Daggett to specify exact algorithm for verifying a valid offset for metadata and private data of S3P5 -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
20:30:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/19
20:30:52 <jdaggett> i think the wording for this will be covered by action-25
20:31:14 <jdaggett> jfkthame: yeah, i don't think we need to specify the exact algorithm
20:31:35 <jdaggett> jfkthame: as long as the wording covers it
20:31:41 <jdaggett> topic: action-20
20:31:41 <ChrisL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2010Sep/0003.html
20:31:56 <jdaggett> ChrisL: has anyone looked at this?
20:32:59 <jdaggett> ChrisL: made up a schema
20:33:20 <jdaggett> ChrisL: but i think my data set for testing is too small
20:33:31 <jdaggett> vlad: i looked at the schema but i didn't test it
20:33:35 <jdaggett> vlad: looks ok
20:33:49 <jdaggett> vlad: i suggest we close this
20:34:15 <jdaggett> ChrisL: should we link to this from the spec
20:34:22 <ChrisL> close action-20
20:34:22 <trackbot> ACTION-20 Make a relaxNG schema for the metadata block schema closed
20:35:20 <jdaggett> jfkthame: should the spec link to resources or should we gather these in some other place?
20:35:48 <jdaggett> ChrisL: in this case, it's just a formalism of the what the spec says
20:36:37 <jdaggett> action: Jonathan: add a link to the schema proposed by ChrisL
20:36:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-31 - Add a link to the schema proposed by ChrisL [on Jonathan Kew - due 2010-10-06].
20:37:01 <jdaggett> topic: action-21
20:37:05 <jdaggett> action-21?
20:37:05 <trackbot> ACTION-21 -- Chris Lilley to check that everything in section 8 correctly references a conformance requirement earlier in the spec. -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
20:37:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/21
20:37:25 <jdaggett> vlad: let's keep this open for now
20:38:20 <jdaggett> Chris did you do anything with this?
20:38:34 <jdaggett> vlad: each one of us should review this
20:38:54 <jdaggett> ChrisL: i was taking too much vacation
20:39:02 <jdaggett> ChrisL: so not yet
20:39:16 <jdaggett> topic: action-22
20:39:38 <jdaggett> vlad: this is covered by the latest edits
20:39:47 <jdaggett> jfkthame chuckles...
20:39:53 <jdaggett> close action-22
20:39:53 <trackbot> ACTION-22 Appendix A should say this section is non-normative closed
20:39:59 <jdaggett> topic: action-23
20:40:03 <jdaggett> action-23?
20:40:03 <trackbot> ACTION-23 -- Jonathan Kew to verify whether, with zlib, it's possible to have a stream that allows an EOF midstream, so extra data can be padded on mid-stream. -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
20:40:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/23
20:41:12 <jdaggett> vlad: the private data block can contain extra stuff
20:42:18 <jdaggett> vlad: so we shouldn't be overly concerned with additional bad data in the woff
20:42:53 <jdaggett> vlad: so i'm not sure we need to worry too much about this particular point
20:43:20 <jdaggett> i think i can agree with vlad
20:43:34 <jdaggett> jfkthame: yeah, i don't see a concern here
20:44:43 <jdaggett> sergeym: well, there are two ways to handle this data, ignore or reject
20:45:13 <jdaggett> jfkthame: i'm not there's a problem here, zlib data is an arbitrary stream of data
20:45:21 <jdaggett> jfkthame: there's not eof in there
20:46:10 <jdaggett> sergeym: this is easy to check, i was just concerned that the format might have something like an EOF character
20:47:19 <jdaggett> i think jfkthame should just verify that zlib has no eof handling
20:47:23 <jdaggett> topic: action-24
20:47:31 <jdaggett> vlad: this relates to action-15
20:47:35 <jdaggett> action-24?
20:47:35 <trackbot> ACTION-24 -- Jonathan Kew to work with Chris L on reformatting footnotes section into normative and non normative references -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
20:47:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/24
20:47:39 <jdaggett> action-15?
20:47:39 <trackbot> ACTION-15 -- Jonathan Kew to split intro to remove these requirements and insert them into a new section, "normative references" -- due 2010-08-24 -- OPEN
20:47:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/15
20:47:51 <jdaggett> ChrisL: haven't done anything yet
20:47:59 <jdaggett> ChrisL: will mail jfkthame
20:48:06 <jdaggett> topic: action-25
20:48:21 <jdaggett> vlad: this is addressed by the mail to the list by jdaggett
20:48:42 <jdaggett> jfkthame: seems reasonable
20:49:18 <jdaggett> close action-25
20:49:18 <trackbot> ACTION-25 Tighten the description of the private data block. closed
20:49:35 <jdaggett> topic: action-26
20:49:40 <jdaggett> action-26?
20:49:40 <trackbot> ACTION-26 -- Chris Lilley to section 6, license block: change "The license for the font." to "The licensing information for the font." -- due 2010-08-25 -- OPEN
20:49:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/26
20:49:51 <jdaggett> ChrisL: hmm, not sure why this is on me...
20:50:30 <jdaggett> ChrisL: this should probably be assigned to jfkthame
20:50:58 <jdaggett> jhudson: this should be in the minutes for the LA f2f
20:51:18 <jdaggett> jhudson talking about license wording?
20:52:14 <jdaggett> vlad: want to avoid confusion about which wording is the actual license
20:52:52 <jdaggett> ChrisL: just moved this action to jfkthame
20:53:00 <jdaggett> topic: action-27
20:53:12 <jdaggett> ChrisL: no test suite yet
20:53:27 <jdaggett> ChrisL: i'll work on setting something up by next week
20:53:46 <jdaggett> vlad: as we get closer to CR this gets more important
20:54:01 <jdaggett> vlad: so that's all the action items that are open
20:54:08 <jdaggett> topic: tpac
20:54:20 <jdaggett> ChrisL: not many folks have registered
20:54:46 <jdaggett> ChrisL: there is a cost, it goes way up at some point in october
20:55:11 <jdaggett> vlad: as for tpac, we should start collecting agenda items
20:55:38 <ChrisL> list of registrants so far  http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/registrants#WebF
20:56:08 <ChrisL> form for registering http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/
20:57:16 <jdaggett> vlad: topics for the group, topics for other groups
20:57:35 <jdaggett> jhudson: i think we need to define minimum conformance
20:58:04 <jdaggett> jhudson: and that crosses over into css3 fonts issues
20:58:28 <jdaggett> jhudson: css3 fonts implies a certain amount of font support
20:58:50 <jdaggett> what does font support mean?
21:00:06 <jdaggett> jhudson: css3 fonts is going to need some level of conformance
21:00:57 <ChrisL> i agree with jdagett that there is more overlap in expertise than there is between the actual specifications themselves which are (purposefully) orthogonal
21:00:57 <jdaggett> vlad: css3 fonts conformance would require woff fonts
21:01:21 <jdaggett> jhudson: so i'm only going to tpac thurs/fri
21:02:33 <jdaggett> vlad: let's have a joint session thurs/fri
21:03:22 <jdaggett> vlad: any other topics submit to the mailing list
21:03:42 <jdaggett> action: ChrisL: create a page for possible agenda topics
21:03:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-32 - Create a page for possible agenda topics [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-10-06].
21:03:55 <jdaggett> vlad: lightning talk?
21:04:25 <jdaggett> vlad: if you have any ideas, those would be good to hear
21:05:21 <jdaggett> vlad: i'll send more info to the list
21:05:34 <jdaggett> jhudson: who's organizing that?
21:05:42 <jdaggett> vlad: monotype is the main sponsor
21:05:57 <jdaggett> vlad: was announced during typecon
21:06:26 <jdaggett> vlad talking about font contest
21:06:58 <jdaggett> vlad: lots of designs using webfonts
21:07:09 <jdaggett> vlad: could be used as a demo for tpac
21:07:48 <jdaggett> vlad: just one possible option
21:08:29 <jdaggett> isn't erik working on some interesting demos?
21:09:15 <jdaggett> ChrisL: lots of good comments about erik's presentation at typecon
21:09:25 <jdaggett> erik: probably can't present
21:09:45 <jdaggett> erik: i have a couple interesting demos i'm tinkering with
21:10:35 <jdaggett> vlad: thanks for everyone's help with atypi presentation
21:11:16 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
21:11:16 <Zakim> sorry, ChrisL, I don't know what conference this is
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21:12:43 <ChrisL> Present: ChrisL, cslye, Vlad, sergeym, John, tal, jfkthame, erik, jdaggett, dave
21:12:58 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
21:12:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
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