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09:02:14 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
09:02:14 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
09:02:15 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
09:02:15 <trackbot> Date: 29 September 2010
09:03:03 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Sep/0075.html
09:03:35 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has now started
09:03:42 <Zakim> +raphael
09:03:55 <raphael> Chair: Erik
09:04:03 <raphael> Regrets: Silvia, Erik
09:04:05 <raphael> Chair: Raphael
09:04:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:04:46 <Zakim> +chris
09:05:06 <raphael> zakim, chris is davy
09:05:06 <Zakim> +davy; got it
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09:11:02 <raphael> Present: Yves, Davy, Raphael
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09:12:36 <davy> TOPIC 1. ADMIN
09:12:48 <davy> scribenick: davy
09:12:49 <raphael> s/TOPIC/Topic:
09:12:56 <Yves> s/1.//
09:12:58 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2010/09/22-mediafrag-minutes.html
09:13:00 <davy> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 22 September 2010 telecon:
09:13:00 <davy> http://www.w3.org/2010/09/22-mediafrag-minutes.html
09:13:10 <davy> +1
09:13:13 <Yves> +1
09:13:14 <raphael> +1
09:13:21 <davy> RESOLUTION: minutes accepted
09:13:21 <raphael> ACTIOn-183?
09:13:21 <trackbot> ACTION-183 -- Raphaël Troncy to send reminders to all relevant groups -- due 2010-09-15 -- OPEN
09:13:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/183
09:13:35 <davy> raphael: will finish that today
09:13:42 <raphael> ACTIOn-185?
09:13:42 <trackbot> ACTION-185 -- Yves Lafon to book zakim for the 2 days meeting of the group on Mon 1st and Tue 2nd Nov -- due 2010-09-29 -- OPEN
09:13:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/185
09:14:02 <davy> Yves: pending, will do that right now
09:14:06 <raphael> TPAC registration: http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/#Registration
09:15:02 <davy> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/registrants#MediaF
09:15:29 <raphael> Registered persons for TPAC from the group: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/registrants#MediaF
09:16:25 <davy> action: troncy to remind Jack and Michael to register asap for TPAC
09:16:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-188 - Remind Jack and Michael to register asap for TPAC [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-10-06].
09:17:31 <davy> TOPIC: MEDIA FRAGMENT EXTENSION:
09:17:38 <davy> action-186?
09:17:38 <trackbot> ACTION-186 -- Philip Jägenstedt to send his list of test cases to the mailing list for understanding how browsers handle %-encodded and html-encoded URL -- due 2010-09-29 -- OPEN
09:17:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/186
09:17:54 <raphael> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Sep/0057.html
09:18:49 <davy> Yves: wonder if the same thing can be obtained with firebug
09:19:09 <davy> close action-186
09:19:09 <trackbot> ACTION-186 Send his list of test cases to the mailing list for understanding how browsers handle %-encodded and html-encoded URL closed
09:19:23 <davy> action-187?
09:19:23 <trackbot> ACTION-187 -- Philip Jägenstedt to start a new thread about extensibility of the Media Fragments in order to get consensus by next week -- due 2010-09-29 -- OPEN
09:19:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/187
09:20:07 <davy> raphael: people agreed with proposal (2) of Philip
09:20:22 <davy> yves: would like to know the opinion of Jack
09:21:11 <davy> raphael: first decide which proposal, afterwards decide how it is written in the spec
09:22:13 <davy> yves: just against the fact that saying that all key-value pairs are media fragments
09:22:54 <davy> raphael: on condition is that you need to have keys that we understand
09:23:03 <davy> ... if this is not the case, it's not a media fragment
09:23:27 <davy> yves: not in favour, but also not against this
09:23:49 <davy> close action-187
09:23:49 <trackbot> ACTION-187 Start a new thread about extensibility of the Media Fragments in order to get consensus by next week closed
09:24:36 <davy> raphael: philip would like to distinghuis between validity and parsing
09:25:08 <davy> s/distinghuis/distinguish
09:26:12 <davy> yves: if we have grammar explaining what should be there, and a parsing algorithm, that's fine
09:26:14 <raphael> Is this grammar could be http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Aug/0005.html
09:26:40 <davy> yves: this is not a grammar
09:27:47 <davy> ... it's a general approach to parse key-value pairs
09:28:29 <davy> raphael: the grammar we currently have, will be kept of course
09:29:05 <Yves> I propose, keep the current grammar and add the extension point, _and_ define a parsing algorithm for those who need it
09:30:10 <Yves> mediasegment     = namesegment / axissegment
09:30:10 <Yves> axissegment      = ( timesegment / spacesegment / tracksegment )
09:30:10 <Yves>                *( "&" ( timesegment / spacesegment / tracksegment )
09:30:11 <Yves> ;
09:30:20 <Yves> => add extensionsegment there
09:31:47 <davy> yves: a mediasegment can't be only an extensionsegment
09:31:57 <raphael> Yves propose that:  mediasegment     = namesegment / axissegment / extensionsegment + prose to state that a media segment cannot be only an extension segment
09:43:54 <davy> yves: we have to state that extensions should remain compatible with the current spec
09:44:25 <davy> ... e.g., bounding box (through xywh) as fallback for an arbitrary shape (through ref)
09:44:26 <Yves> extensionsegment = extensionname '=' extensionvalue
09:45:52 <raphael> extensionsegment = extensionprefix '=' extensionparam
09:46:23 <Yves> issue is with extensions that conflict with already defined axis, like 'ref' being impacting the spatial dimension defined by 'xywh'
09:46:54 <davy> raphael: top-level production rules of the grammar should be in de document as well, not only in the appendix
09:47:09 <davy> ... in section 3.5 or 4.1
09:47:21 <davy> s/3.5/4.3.5
09:49:32 <davy> action: troncy to put the top-level production rules back into the document (in section 4.3.5 or 4.1)
09:49:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-189 - Put the top-level production rules back into the document (in section 4.3.5 or 4.1) [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-10-06].
09:50:12 <davy> raphael: still missing is a paragraph how things should be parsed
09:50:42 <davy> ... I will ask Philip regarding this issue
09:51:04 <davy> close action-187
09:51:04 <trackbot> ACTION-187 Start a new thread about extensibility of the Media Fragments in order to get consensus by next week closed
09:51:15 <davy> action-173?
09:51:16 <trackbot> ACTION-173 -- Yves Lafon to produce the code that will check the grammar of both the URI syntax and the Headers syntax -- due 2010-06-22 -- OPEN
09:51:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/173
09:51:45 <davy> yves: not done yet for the header syntax
09:52:08 <davy> Topic: PUBLIC COMMENTS
09:52:15 <raphael> ACTION-184?
09:52:15 <trackbot> ACTION-184 -- Yves Lafon to email Chris the reply on when to send the range header -- due 2010-09-15 -- OPEN
09:52:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/184
09:52:49 <davy> close action-184
09:52:49 <trackbot> ACTION-184 Email Chris the reply on when to send the range header closed
09:53:39 <davy> raphael: should we use the bug tracker for LC comments?
09:55:41 <davy> yves: a manual approach should be feasible (e.g., manually building an HTML table)
09:56:48 <davy> raphael: suggest to start with manual approach, when a lot of comments are coming, we might consider using the bug tracker
09:57:03 <raphael> ACTION-167?
09:57:03 <trackbot> ACTION-167 -- Erik Mannens to find licence free movies for the automatic test suite ... starting with Elephant Dreams and the creative commons -- due 2010-06-02 -- OPEN
09:57:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/167
09:58:28 <davy> Topic: AOB
09:58:55 <davy> [adjourned]
09:59:04 <Zakim> -raphael
09:59:06 <Zakim> -Yves
09:59:07 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
09:59:07 <Zakim> Attendees were raphael, davy, Yves
09:59:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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10:22:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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